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Piccolo saying fusion wouldn't work on Moro is no more credible than Shin saying Vegito surpassed Beerus
Piccolo doesnt even say that tbh thats giving the troll over there way too much credit

He says that due to spirit fission, Moroncan now disable fusions

He makes no power comparison whatsoever, hes talking about the efficiency and matchup of powers

Spirit fission cant split unfused people so its useless against them. Its tailor made to beat fusions.

All Piccolo is saying is that theyd be defused if they even opted for fusion

And @SSMG and his headassed takes just try to frame that as piccolo saying they have more raw power than fusions

Because he cant read
 
Piccolo doesnt even say that tbh thats giving the troll over there way too much credit

He says that due to spirit fission, Moroncan now disable fusions

He makes no power comparison whatsoever, hes talking about the efficiency and matchup of powers

Spirit fission cant split unfused people so its useless against them. Its tailor made to beat fusions.

All Piccolo is saying is that theyd be defused if they even opted for fusion

And @SSMG and his headassed takes just try to frame that as piccolo saying they have more raw power than fusions

Because he cant read
Thanks for clarifying, haven't seen those scans in awhile
 
Piccolo doesnt even say that tbh thats giving the troll over there way too much credit

He says that due to spirit fission, Moroncan now disable fusions

He makes no power comparison whatsoever, hes talking about the efficiency and matchup of powers

Spirit fission cant split unfused people so its useless against them. Its tailor made to beat fusions.

All Piccolo is saying is that theyd be defused if they even opted for fusion

And @SSMG and his headassed takes just try to frame that as piccolo saying they have more raw power than fusions

Because he cant read
And in order for spirit fission to work you have to hurt the opponent.

Moro tried punching Goku and hurt himself.

He also needs to hit the opponent.

Tried hitting Goku and got styled on.

Yet according to Piccolo and how SF works... He'd hit and hurt Gogeta Blue.

Thus it's stated and shown my stance is correct and you have nothing but headcanon.

I mean I said from the get go you don't know how to read, because if you did you'd know all this.

Stay mad and wrong kiddo.
 
And in order for spirit fission to work you have to hurt the opponent.
You dont need to be stronger than or even comparable to someone to hurt them troll :ohlord

2nd form frieza and krillin say hi

Not to mention Fusions start a fight in Base

Ergo for spirit fission to narratively counter fusions, all Moro needs to do is scale high enough to damage Base Gogeta

Not fucking higher than Blue :mjha

The fact your room temp ass is really out here trying to spin that as “hurr durr UI Goku > SPECIFICALLY Blue Gogeta from the same arc durr” is asinine

Period
 
Krillin can hurt Freeza with destructo disk

Sf is used by punching the opponent.
That's a horrible example but not surprised you'd reach for that straw lol.

Also they can fuse while in blue what are you talking about?

And Gogeta can turn blue in an instant from base lol.

You're wrong as always..... And fuming mad but everyone already knew that.
 
Sf is used by punching the opponent.
Literally the first time we see it used its at range

So no

This isnt true

All you need to is separate energy from your opponent however you can, then you can use fission on it

Sit down kid youre wrong from wall to fucking wall with this stance

As always
 
Right but that was to an opponent much weaker than Vegeta.

Against stronger opponents you need to hurt them. Vegeta did this by punching Moro. Never once used a ki blast to do it.

Your headcanon is wrong and Mui Goku is >Gogeta Blue.
 
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Right but that was to an opponent much weaker than Vegeta.
That doesn’t fucking matter :mjlol

The attack doesnt need to be used via punching

You literally just admitted that

Also…To once again shit on your trash notion that UI Goku is > Gogeta…

A Moro amped beyond what he was when he fought and defeated UI Goku had his fucking arm blown off by a fatigued Blue Goku

So like…

Blue Goku > Blue Gogeta from the same arc now too champ?:confusedny

Or MAYBE, just maybe, Moro is nowhere near Fusion tier, and therefore neither is the guy he beat

Just a thought :oldshrug
 
Beerus seems really inconsistent as a character. Goku had him almost stalemated as a Super Saiyan God. Blue should've been enough to beat him after that. Yet now it turns out apparently even Fusion wouldn't be enough to beat him and he's stronger than even Black Frieza and Gohan Beast. I'm guessing Akira Toriyama wanted Beerus and Whis to be on a whole other level that mortals just can't reach no matter how hard they try. But I guess we'll never really know for sure until it happens.
 
Beerus seems really inconsistent as a character. Goku had him almost stalemated as a Super Saiyan God. Blue should've been enough to beat him after that. Yet now it turns out apparently even Fusion wouldn't be enough to beat him and he's stronger than even Black Frieza and Gohan Beast. I'm guessing Akira Toriyama wanted Beerus and Whis to be on a whole other level that mortals just can't reach no matter how hard they try. But I guess we'll never really know for sure until it happens.
Thats because he is inconsistent as a character

• In the BoG Film (retconned with the anime arc but it still speaks to the writers constantly flipflopping on this so its relevant) its noted than even a suppressed 80% SSG Goku could hang with a similarly suppressed Beerus, the exact amount he used isnt given, but the fact a suppressed SSG could fight him really pisses him off.
• In the film, Beerus claims that other universes have stronger warriors than they are, and also claims that Goku was his 2nd most powerful opponent (he doesnt say "mortal" or anything either, he speaks generally)...Ever...Which would include Whis, Champa, Belmod, and Quitela at the very least depending on what continuity youre using...So yeah...Hakaishin tier Goku as early as BoG in the writers minds.
• In the RoF Film, its noted by Whis that a team of Vegeta and Goku would be legit equal with Beerus
• In the U6 arc, Beerus shits himself when Goku uses Kaioken, and Whis teases him asking if hes genuinely fearful of that technique
• In the FT arc, Merged Zamasu even in his weaker suppressed states is noted to be "an existence that surpasses all known Gods/divinity" or whatever in the eyes of the U10 Kai and Shin...Who have both met Beerus and other Hakaishin...And Goku and Vegeta can both put in work against him in his lower states.
• The ToP is fairly obvious...Jiren is directly noted to be above Beerus and his own GoD, Goku and Vegeta can put in solid work against him throughout the tournament, Goku legit beats him 1v1
• Broly arc again has a dude allegedly > Beerus show up
• Moro arc has Beerus in awe over what Ultra Instinct Goku can do and calls him "flawless" or whatever
• And in the Granola arc we have Goku and Vegeta "supposedly" being above any other mortal Whis can recall...Which includes several names noted above Beerus...But apparently they are still below Beerus anyway

The inconsistency regarding Beerus standing is ridiculous over the years
 
That doesn’t fucking matter :mjlol

The attack doesnt need to be used via punching
Only times it's ever worked on stronger opponents is punching.

The only other way it was used was tk, which doesn't work on people stronger than the user. As shown several times in series.

Also…To once again shit on your trash notion that UI Goku is > Gogeta…

A Moro amped beyond what he was when he fought and defeated UI Goku had his fucking arm blown off by a fatigued Blue Goku

So like…

Blue Goku > Blue Gogeta from the same arc now too champ?:confusedny
Did I ever say Gogeta was incapable of hurting Moro? Learn to read.

Also Moro was caught off guard, similar to Goku taking off Cells top half.

Also not the point... but Moro never defeated UI Goku... Only omen.

Or MAYBE, just maybe, Moro is nowhere near Fusion tier,
Maybe, but he's still close enough to hit and harm Gogeta, even if just a tiny bit.

Whereas this isn't the case against UI Goku.
Just a thought
When you actually have one lemme know.


But yeah the facts are
- Fusion is useless against Moro because he can use sf to undo the fusion.
-Sf only works if one can hit and harm their opponent.
- Moro could not hit UI Goku at all, and hurt himself when Goku let him land a punch.

The obvious conclusion to these facts.. is well obvious.
 
Well I thought from the days of cucking after blatantly conceding his points already that this troll got tired of getting his ass gaped but hes back for more

Apparently literally saying hes wrong isn’t enough to keep this dude from arguing anyway

Time to embarrass him again
Only times it's ever worked
Are both at range and at melee

As you already conceded

We aren’t touching this anymore your cope headcanon is just stupid and wrong
Did I ever say Gogeta was incapable of hurting Moro?
Bud…

This isnt the fucking point :mjlol

How are you this dense?

Youre arguing that UI Goku and by extension Moro are above Blue Gogeta

Yet I just showed you a feat from fucking NERFED BLUE GOKU of him blowing Moros goddamn arm off

Blue Goku CANNOT do this to Gogeta :mjlol

Blue Goku cant even do that to BASE Gogeta per feats from the Broly movie. Gogeta was slapping away blasts from Broly that were overpowering a GG/KHH combo from Blue Goku AND Blue Vegeta

How are you incapable of connecting these dots dude?

If a nerfed Blue Goku can hurt Moro at his peak with a SEVERE INJURY, and Blue Goku AND Blue Vegeta as a team CANNOT hurt Broly or even compete with his blasts, but BASE Gogeta can literally SLAP DIFF those same blasts…

Moro and Blue Goku dont compare to fucking BLUE Gogeta

Like I said

How are you this dense?
Learn to read.
Says the moron who doesn’t understand that Blue Goku level output doesnt scale to Fusion tiers
Concession accepted

Again

Youre doing horribly btw

No idea why you even bothered to come back and reply again if this was all you were gonna do
but he's still close enough to hit and harm Gogeta, even if just a tiny bit.
Completely and totally baseless

And wrong actually

Especially regarding any of Gogetas enhanced forms as you keep wrongly trying to force the statement to mean a comparison between Moro and Blue Gogeta specifically.

Cuz youre dishonest trash

You cant even reliably argue and prove he’s capable of beating Base Fusion. His feats certainly dont imply it would be an easy task.
Whereas this isn't the case against UI Goku.
Annnnnnnnnd per feats is likely not the case against even Base Gogeta either

Again

Base Gogeta was slapping attacks that were more than 2x a Blue KHH

A nerfed Blue KHH blew Moros arm off

Moro straight up has worse feats and durability than even Base Gogeta

And you stupidly want to argue that despite that already massive disparity, that Moro is capable of overpowering and defusing Not SSJ1 amped, not SSJ2 amped, not SSJ3 amped, not SSG amped, but SSB amped Gogeta

When Base already has better feats by a factor of over double

Youre a moron

Pure and simple

Also…Vegeta was capable of using Spirit fusion on a Moro that was > MUI Goku dude :mjlol

Meanwhile he couldnt damage Broly even with Gokus help

Again, we return to the notion of you vastly underestimating the gap at play between even Base Gogeta and Blue Vegeta/Goku
When you actually have one lemme know.
Bud Ive literally been dismantling you this entire thread

Youre a joke who gets laughed out of every thread in every section you try and fail to debate in

This is the definition of “not your line”
the facts are
Oh Im sure this will be good
Fusion is useless against Moro because he can use sf to undo the fusion.
1. Which doesnt mean Blue Fusion specifically. As Ive slapped the shit out of you on this entire thread.
2. That’s assuming Piccolo is even correct. You’re ignoring that Piccolo doesnt fucking know what Spirit Fission is OR HOW IT WORKS. Neither does Goku. Legit the first time Goku ever sees it is in this fight, and he states this.
Sf only works if one can hit and harm their opponent.
1. Moro being able to harm base Gogeta is all that needs to be possible for Piccolos statement to be accurate.
2. Nothing about Moros feats or piccolos statement implies Moro can fight blue Gogeta.
3. Piccolo doesnt know this when he makes the statement anyway

Youre doing terrible
Moro could not hit UI Goku at all, and hurt himself when Goku let him land a punch.
Planet Moro > UI Goku >>> 73 Moro > Vegeta yet Vegeta can do Spirit Fission on Planet Moro

So like

Your opinion is wrong here regardless as either SF can be used on people you cannot even damage and are way stronger than you

Or the gap isnt what you think it is between any of these characters

Again

We have no reason whatsoever to assume anyone here is stronger than even Base Gogeta

Let alone Blue

Even taking everyones words at 100% face value youre still forcing a conclusion that simply isn’t backed by anything

Realize that?
 
Well I thought from the days of cucking after blatantly conceding his points already that this troll got tired of getting his ass gaped but hes back for more

Apparently literally saying hes wrong isn’t enough to keep this dude from arguing anyway

Time to embarrass him again
Lol the only thing embarassing is how you live on this site and the state of your long af dogwater level posts.

I had a bomb weekend and couldn't waste my time with a troll like yourself.

I deal with trolls like you when I want.
Are both at range and at melee
And never once with a ki blast, let alone a destructo disk type ki blast, which Moro has never displayed being able to use.

It was only punches and tk, and I already addressed both which you ignored and cucked to while rambling on about all this other bs.
We aren’t touching this anymore
Concession accepted.

As if you ignoring my point about TK in my last post wasn't already concession enough from you.
Bud…

This isnt the fucking point :mjlol

How are you this dense?
It is the point tho. Goku being able to harm off guard Moro doesn't negate the fact Moro could also harm Gogeta Blue.
by extension Moro are above Blue Gogeta
As I said you really don't know how to read.

No where in this topic have I said Moro is above Gogeta lol and you think I'm bad at this?

Yet I just showed you a feat from fucking NERFED BLUE GOKU of him blowing Moros goddamn arm off
Right and I already countered that point.
Blue Goku CANNOT do this to Gogeta
Never claimed he could.

Moro could hurt Gogeta tho. We know this as he can undo his fusion with SF.
Blue Goku cant even do that to BASE Gogeta per feats from the Broly movie.
The movie is different canons lol.

I'm talking about manga continuity incase you couldn't tell. I know you have trouble reading... But I shouldn't have to point this out.

Making your main point in this long ass horrible post irrelevant, but then again that's nothing new for you lmao.

How are you incapable of connecting these dots dude?
Ironic.
If a nerfed Blue Goku can hurt Moro at his peak with a SEVERE INJURY, and Blue Goku AND Blue Vegeta as a team CANNOT hurt Broly or even compete with his blasts, but BASE Gogeta can literally SLAP DIFF those same blasts…

Moro and Blue Goku dont compare to fucking BLUE Gogeta

Like I said
See above.

Also we know Moro does compare to Broly and therefore Gogeta, as Goku calls Moro the toughest person he ever fought after fighting Broly.
Says the moron who doesn’t understand that Blue Goku level output doesnt scale to Fusion tiers
I never claimed Blue level power scales to fusions lol you're so dumb.
Again

Youre doing horribly btw
More irony.
No idea why you even bothered to come back and reply again if this was all you were gonna do
Shitting on you is a hobby of mine.
Completely and totally baseless

And wrong actually
Pot kettle black

You're entire premise is redundant and useless.
Especially regarding any of Gogetas enhanced forms as you keep wrongly trying to force the statement to mean a comparison between Moro and Blue Gogeta specifically.
It wouldn't be useless if it wasn't Gogeta full power...
Cuz youre dishonest trash
Cry kid.
You cant even reliably argue and prove he’s capable of beating Base Fusion. His feats certainly dont imply it would be an easy task.
Don't need to argue when Piccolo's statement and UI feats against Moro speak for themselves.
Annnnnnnnnd per feats is likely not the case against even Base Gogeta either
Per feats and statements, yes it does.
Base Gogeta was slapping attacks that were more than 2x a Blue KHH

A nerfed Blue KHH blew Moros arm off
Once again mixing canons lol.

Moro straight up has worse feats and durability than even Base Gogeta
Taking hits by UI Goku who is > Gogeta Blue is better feats as it's a stronger opponent, so wrong again.
Moro is capable of overpowering and defusing Not SSJ1 amped, not SSJ2 amped, not SSJ3 amped, not SSG amped, but SSB amped Gogeta
Glad you agree.

But yeah it's obvious this is the case as this was what Piccolo's line entails
When Base already has better feats by a factor of over double
No he doesn't.

Moro is stronger than fp Broly as per Goku's statement.

Youre a moron
Says the guy who can't read the manga, can't read my posts, and mixes canons and argues against things I never said nor implied lol.

Just shut up.
Also…Vegeta was capable of using Spirit fusion on a Moro that was > MUI Goku dude
Moro was never > Goku....What are you talking about?
Meanwhile he couldnt damage Broly even with Gokus help
Firstly that was a much weaker Vegeta, and again for the umpteenth time different canons lol.
Again, we return to the notion of you vastly underestimating the gap at play between even Base Gogeta and Blue Vegeta/Goku
More like you're wanking Gogeta, which alot of people here do so I get it.

Also the gap between Blue Goku to Gogeta is irrelevant as UI Goku is on an entire different wavelength than Blue Goku.
Bud Ive literally been dismantling you this entire thread
If not being able to read and spouting irrelevant arguments is dismantling, then you are even more delsuional than you are angry... Which I didn't think was possible.
Youre a joke who gets laughed out of every thread in every section you try and fail to debate in
I get laughed at by butt hurt trolls who couldn't keep up on debates...

All the real posters who can actually debate and hold their own don't do what you say Hmm I wonder why.
Oh Im sure this will be good
Better than your dogshit posts.
1. Which doesnt mean Blue Fusion specifically. As Ive slapped the shit out of you on this entire thread
Yes it does, else it wouldn't have been said to be useless.

If he had a form that would neg Moro before Moro can even blink No amount of SF would mean shit.

2. That’s assuming Piccolo is even correct.
I'm going to go with a statement made by one of the smartest characters in verse, over the headcanon of one of the worst posters on this site lol.
You’re ignoring that Piccolo doesnt fucking know what Spirit Fission is OR HOW IT WORKS. Neither does Goku. Legit the first time Goku ever sees it is in this fight, and he states this.
Except they deduce how it works by watching Vegeta fight Moro, and by Moros statement to Vegeta.

I know you can't read, but if you could, you'd know this.
1. Moro being able to harm base Gogeta is all that needs to be possible for Piccolos statement to be accurate.
Incorrect. It wouldn't be useless in this case.
2. Nothing about Moros feats or piccolos statement implies Moro can fight blue Gogeta.
Except it does, as my posts lays out in clear as day terms.

Ofc you have to argue stated feats and feats using your headcanon while crossing canons because you're blinded by favouritism.
3. Piccolo doesnt know this when he makes the statement anyway
Once again proving you don't know how to read lol my fuck.

Moro states one need to inflict damage for SF to work to Vegeta right before grabbing his neck/steals his power.

Piccolo.makes the statement after Moro stole Vegetas power.
Youre doing terrible
Dude just stop.
Planet Moro > UI Goku >>> 73 Moro > Vegeta yet Vegeta can do Spirit Fission on Planet Moro
Incorrect.
UI Goku was above both Planet and 73 Moro... He couldn't destroy Planet Moro outright because the risk of the explosion destroying the galaxy....

And in order to harm Moro Planet all you need to do is to be able to damage the ground. Which everyone in the series is more than capable of.

Heck give me a shovel and SF and it'd effect Planet Moro lol.

~
You're so bad at this, you just make long as fuck walls of texts post rambling on like the sad lil angry man you are. Trying to force your stance by exhausting others with long ASF unnecessarily long posts...that are just dogshit...while not being able to read my posts or what the manga states outright, mixing canons, and just having an absolute dogshit overall attitude, shows to me why you're are one of, if not the worst poster on this entire site.
 
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