Why Orochimaru isn't dead((and some other stuff))

Okay so check this out people, we all know that Orochimaru is a crazy little bastard, but the newest chapters bring it all together and we are going to see exactly how crazy Orochimaru is.

Think back really quick, if you can't, there will be images for you soon. Orochimaru has forms other than his human one. Like the one we saw back in Ch. 344
And the newly displayed form we see in Ch. 392
As we all know, Orochimaru no longer has his own body, he continues to take over other's bodies to sustain his own life. He pulled Sasuke into his trap in order to obtain the sharingan as he tried to do with Itachi. Of course he failed in his attempt and had his left hand cut off by Itachi, so now he too holds a grudge against the elder Uchiha.

BEGIN THEORY:
Part-1
Waaaay way back when Oro-san decided to take over Sasuke, that was his only motive. However, during the training period and such, Oro-san learned how strong Sasuke was, and knew of his motives to one day kill his brother Itachi. Unwilling to risk his own life once more in an attempt to take Itachi's body, Oro-san decides to let Sasuke take a stab at it, and in turn let's Sasuke see, copy, learn, and reverse his take over technique knowing that his jutsu would give Sasuke a much more competitive edge against Itachi.

Now here's where it gets confusing, so stay alert. In the battle between Sasuke and Itachi, near it's climax we see that Sasuke has picked up some very interesting techniques from Oro-san. Said technique helped Sasuke avoid a blast from Amaterasu which would have ended it all right then and there. But as we know, that all but exhausted Sasuke's chakra which caused him to lose control over Oro-san, however, when he emerged, he rears his ugly mug in his newest revealed form as previously displayed.

If we pay attention to the end of Oro-san's demise, we can see that on of his many snakes made an escape. And that it comes back later on in the aftermath.
What does this have to do with anything? Well think back again to the fight between Sasuke and Oro-san,
He has full control over the snakes on his body, because of the distance in the image of his new form, we have no way of knowing if they are made up of snakes like his previous form, so for the sake of argument, let's assume that they are. He has full capability of detaching them from his body but still controlling them as they are pieces of himself. And as we've seen, Oro-san can reform his normal body from his separate forms.

Conclusion
Oro-san can't be dead. That snake is him, or part of him, being that it is so small, it would have to continuously shed it's skin. And like all snakes, he will either get bigger or mutate/grow in some way. Possibly even by "speed shedding" if you will. Half way out, another snake will begin to shed again. Either that, or he will begin to shed and become more mutated like the rattlesnake, for every one time it sheds another bead is added to its tail. Which means it is possible that he will end up coming out with more snakes attached to him to look more like his white snake form, thus being able to come back to his natural form.

Part-2
With that in mind, should Oro-san come back, who would he take? In my mind, I think this also trails back to why he let Sasuke take his body. He knew in his heart((or whatever he has left)) that with him along for the ride, Sasuke would do a damned good job against Itachi. Oro-san wanted Itachi's powers like no one could understand. Thus with Sasuke able to do enough damage and make Itachi fight hard enough to over work himself, he would have the opportunity to take him over with no threat of Sharingan reversal or avoidance. It's also in my mind a reason to get back at Sasuke for trying to kill him.

Probably one of my best put together theories if I do say so myself. But what do you guys think?
 
Orochimaru will never die. He's like weeds, just when you think he's dead he pops right back out from the ground again.
 
I too noticed the snake (I know it's not a very difficult thing to do), but i also thought that it meant that Orochimaru was/is alive. It Orochimaru has shown something in the past, is that he is very elusive.

But i must admit that i never thought that he could seize his chance, and take control of Itachi's body, and therefore sharingan. Remember he can perform his jutsu to take over someones body. He tried to do it with Sasuke, but failed, he may be able to do it with semidead Itachi with no problem now.

So i totally agree with you
 
orochimaru=white snake
white snake=rebirth
final villian!? :WOW
 
It is possible. But why would he want an almost-blind (if not yet blind) semi-dead Itachi? Well, his fast regeneration could prolly save the body if he's into it, but how about the (near)blindness? What's the point if Itachi can't use sharingan?

Sasuke's pretty worn out as of now, so I guess he could choose Sasuke. I think this would be pretty interesting. Though following Kishi's train of thought, I really doubt if Kishi would allow this.
 
^Lulz

You're pretty much spot-on, but please. No calling him "oro-san." It creeps me out.

XD sorry, I just hate writing out Orochimaru XP

It is possible. But why would he want an almost-blind (if not yet blind) semi-dead Itachi? Well, his fast regeneration could prolly save the body if he's into it, but how about the (near)blindness? What's the point if Itachi can't use sharingan?

Vaild point, however, even though Itachi is blind, he still has the sharingan. As we've seen before, when Orochimaru takes over a body, after some time, it no longer becomes their body, he takes it and their techniques all into his own form, just using it as a vessel for himself, which would include the sharingan. Even if he were to end up blind all together, he's still got the chakra sense on his side to see at the very least just outlines.

What you might be thinking of is the fact that Itachi's eyes went back to normal after the battle, thats only because he was out of chakra completely, not because he went totally blind. He still possesses the sharingan.
 
I'm happy for you but even though oro can't use Itachi since he probably is blind now.
you say that's because he ran out of chakra but......................................
The more you use these eyes the faster their descent to darkness and Itachi clearly used them too much for a day, now basing in the sight Itachi had before the fight and the fact that he clearly missed the eye we could say he's blind.
and even if he's not he's probably dead.
so I doubt oro takes his body.
 
I'm happy for you but even though oro can't use Itachi since he probably is blind now.
you say that's because he ran out of chakra but......................................
The more you use these eyes the faster their descent to darkness and Itachi clearly used them too much for a day, now basing in the sight Itachi had before the fight and the fact that he clearly missed the eye we could say he's blind.
and even if he's not he's probably dead.
so I doubt oro takes his body.

Couple things.
1) Thats standard blindness, he can't see like a normal person can, but with the sharingan, he can see a person's chakra flow. Remember how he identified Naruto? Nothing about his exact looks, just "At the very start, he'll be the one to shout very loudly and rush at you." He couldn't tell what he looked like, he just knew which one was Naruto based on his actions. And at the same time, he knew it because he could see or possibly sense the nine tails' chakra in him.
2) All I'm going to say is Edo-Tensei. He's got a body. That's more than enough to make it work.
 
Well i dont think Oro is deadhe is just stuckin that bliss of genjustsuthing that itacji said happens toanybody that getsstruckby that mystical sword. but ihavea feeling that through somecrazy PNJ that due to Itachi dieing that the genjutsu from the sword will weaken allowing Oro to escape and find a newhost, possibly the bodyof the dead Itachi.

And on the subject of the snake:
The white snake is a symbol of rebirth. and well now sasuke has finally achievedhis goal. Sonow hewill essentially be reborn intoa man who has other goals,such as reviving his clan and what not. I doubt the snake has anything to do with Oro.
 
Couple things.
1) Thats standard blindness, he can't see like a normal person can, but with the sharingan, he can see a person's chakra flow. Remember how he identified Naruto? Nothing about his exact looks, just "At the very start, he'll be the one to shout very loudly and rush at you." He couldn't tell what he looked like, he just knew which one was Naruto based on his actions. And at the same time, he knew it because he could see or possibly sense the nine tails' chakra in him.
2) All I'm going to say is Edo-Tensei. He's got a body. That's more than enough to make it work.

1.the eyes eventually get sealed away.
the more you use them the faster the process, so Itachi's eyes are probably and most likely sealed.
and as we've seen oro can't unseal stuff.(he was unable to unseal his own arms.)
2.well I think #1 was more than enough.
 
It's OBVIOUS he's not dead. The white snake slithering at the end of the Sasuke-Itachi fight is concrete evidence.
 
It is true that Orochimaru cannot be dead. The strongest of the Sannin could not die just like that.
 
I hate to play here, but even if Itachi did completely kill/seal all the Oro in Sasuke, we still have Kabutochimaru, so Oro would still come back.

Either way, I don't think that being switch-reversed by Sasuke was part of Oro's initial plan. (Not that it matters.)
 
I think this is not a theory, its pretty much a fact. (that orochi is alive in some form or fasion.)
I am curious of one thing. Orochi came was inside sasuke. he came out, did he oozz out of him? or take over his form. and then when he was absorbed by the sword. Sasuke was unharmed? was this showing they were separate or that the sword was only taking orochi. And to that end....lets say this snake is OROCHI....then dose this mean part of orochi is in that dream state that the sword puts one under? How can he be this world if we clearly saw him get absorbed by that sword? is it that each snake contains HIM? cause even if that is so many of them got absorbed?
Ether way, i am sure he is alive in some fashion even in kabuto. Withc i think that is more oro's DNA and not HIMself. but he will be back in some way.

Now as for itachi? I am pretty sure taking itachis body is a bad idea...itachi is blind. It is pretty much granted ( if not dead ). So taking itachi is a bad idea.
In some of the last panels they even show how he is basically seeing in cateraxe-ed tunnel vision that is closing. So i think if he possessed itachi he would still have sharingan but couldn't see anything and it would be like when Sarutobi sensai sealed his arms.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA , you rock that was funny.
 
1.the eyes eventually get sealed away.
the more you use them the faster the process, so Itachi's eyes are probably and most likely sealed.
and as we've seen oro can't unseal stuff.(he was unable to unseal his own arms.)
2.well I think #1 was more than enough.

The eyes themselves go blind, the Dojutsu isn't sealed as according to what you say, therefore Orochimaru won't have to unseal anything. And even if he had to unseal them, Edo Tensei would suffice. Remember back when he brought back Shodaime? He was using Mokuton jutsu, which we have found out to be a Kekkei Genkai as stated by Yamato. The Sharingan is a Kekkei Genkai, thus using Edo Tensei he could regain the Sharingan in that way.

I hate to play here, but even if Itachi did completely kill/seal all the Oro in Sasuke, we still have Kabutochimaru, so Oro would still come back.

Either way, I don't think that being switch-reversed by Sasuke was part of Oro's initial plan. (Not that it matters.)

It's possible for that to be how it happens. The part about how who he comes back in was more or less how I hope it happens.
 
very good theory; the remaning white snake has to mean something. Hopefully the next chapter will shed some more light on the subject.
 
1.the eyes eventually get sealed away.
the more you use them the faster the process, so Itachi's eyes are probably and most likely sealed.
and as we've seen oro can't unseal stuff.(he was unable to unseal his own arms.)
2.well I think #1 was more than enough.

If Orochimaru does take Itachi's body, he could have always planned to rip out Sasuke's eyes and use those.

I think Orochimaru can unseal things, though he needs his hands. Back in the Forest of Death he sealed Naruto's ability to mix chakra with the Kyuubi. While Jiraiya was training Naruto for the first time, he saw the seal and noted that only a San-nin would be able to make that seal. Jiraiya unsealed the seal in a similar fashion as Orochimaru sealed it, making his finger tips glow with chakra, then striking Naruto. The reason Orochimaru wasn't able to unseal his arms is because he didn't have his hands, which he uses to perform his myriad of ninjutsu, not the mention the way it was sealed wasn't only a regular seal, but rather a killing. You saw the chakra shape of his arms being riped out of him when the Death God sealed them away.
 
kabuto could do the seals for orochimare instead, like when he summone Manda

I realize that this is a weak argument, since I think you make sense (and Masashi doesn't), but Jiraiya did say that only a San-nin would be able to do it while training Naruto.
 
I did think his alive. All that remains is The sword that "sealed" him. Also, Kabuto.
 
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