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Why Are Females Always The Weakest In The Groups?

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Lee-Sensei

The Clown Prince of Crime
Since when has manga with super powers ever been realistic for any character? Regardless of how wrong that statement is since even in real life power depends on your physical fitness and training

I don't know where people's minds go with this kinda shit
Well in almost every Shonen, the men are stronger on average. So that’s one way that it’s accurate to real life. And no. A woman that trains really hard is never going to be on the same level as a man that trains really hard.
 
Well in almost every Shonen, the men are stronger on average. So that’s one way that it’s accurate to real life. And no. A woman that trains really hard is never going to be on the same level as a man that trains really hard.
So again it depends on how hard that they train, like I said.

But I don't want to engage in silly pseudo biology bullshit here.

As I said above it's not anywhere near "almost every shounen". There is no rule that says women have to be portrayed as weak or terrible written in any manga or any specific genre. It comes down to the author's mindset only.

And that is why kishimoto is in this convo. There is no justifying it
 

Lee-Sensei

The Clown Prince of Crime
So again it depends on how hard that they train, like I said.

But I don't want to engage in silly pseudo biology bullshit here.

As I said above it's not anywhere near "almost every shounen". There is no rule that says women have to be portrayed as weak or terrible written in any manga or any specific genre. It comes down to the author's mindset only.

And that is why kishimoto is in this convo. There is no justifying it
Maybe a tiny bit. It’s not pseudo-biology. It’s scientific facts that every child could tell you 20 years ago. And these women aren’t weak. They’re just weaker than the male characters on their team.

 
They're not.

Tsunade was the MVP against Madara. Sakura kept Naruto alive and punched Kaguya into the seal. Chiyo and Sakura took down Sasori. Temari saved Shikamaru.

Ino and Hinata stopped Naruto and Co. from getting obliterated.
 

Corvida

Anda de dia la noche es mia
Maybe a tiny bit. It’s not pseudo-biology. It’s scientific facts that every child could tell you 20 years ago. And these women aren’t weak. They’re just weaker than the male characters on their team.
Have the example you kindly put have supernatural chakra?
 

Dragonus-BB-

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Talk about outing yourself.

Yes, maximum speed and strength potential really matter in skill based endeavours, don't they? Gotta have a strong throwing arm to shoot ninjutsu fast amirite?

To top it off the majority of anime/manga have magical strength/speed/endurance/durability that don't correlate the least bit to the combatant's build. Naruto is no exception.

The protagonists are skinny teenagers, want to find me the records of such 17 year olds who are faster than anyone else in the world?

It's always the most pathetic kind of manchildren who are overt misogynists. Grow up.
 

Lee-Sensei

The Clown Prince of Crime
Have the example you kindly put have supernatural chakra?
No, but it doesnt matter since the men would have stronger bases.

Talk about outing yourself.

Yes, maximum speed and strength potential really matter in skill based endeavours, don't they? Gotta have a strong throwing arm to shoot ninjutsu fast amirite?

To top it off the majority of anime/manga have magical strength/speed/endurance/durability that don't correlate the least bit to the combatant's build. Naruto is no exception.

The protagonists are skinny teenagers, want to find me the records of such 17 year olds who are faster than anyone else in the world?

It's always the most pathetic kind of manchildren who are overt misogynists. Grow up.
Outing ourselves as science believer?
 

Vermilion Kn

Eldric Draconik
I honestly don’t have a problem with this. There are plenty of manga where women are the strongest, and other genres that exclusively cater to what women generally want.

I have a problem with the alien shit and side characters being tossed in the bin wholesale but this western obsession with muh empowerment being applied to everything is ridiculous.
 

Dragonus-BB-

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Sakura is 100 times physically stronger than Fate Bros and Kaguya was the final villain.... :hmm
We have loads of battledomers who headcanon Byakugou Sakura/Tsunade as physically weaker than Naruto/Sasuke post six paths boosts. "Naruto has everything Sakura does but better and Kurama/SPSM/rasengan" is not all that rare to see there, with the yang seal treated as Naruto's own skill.

Likewise Kaguya is negged and pegged as inferior to Madara, with claims about how she only exists because Madara wouldn't lose :fatcat

Never underestimate obstinacy, particularly with a pre-existing bias.
 

Dragonus-BB-

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This isn't really wrong IIRC Kishi said that he didn't know how to beat Madara.

Kaguya could be sealed, Madara couldn't
He said in an interview before the endgame that he wasn't sure how Madara could be defeated yet to hype him up. What author would answer an interviewer with how the then final villain would be defeated mid-publication?

Madara was almost tagged with thr seals, they would do the exact same thing to him - except they wouldn't need DMS Kakashi and Sakura to accomplish it.

Kaguya exists as a sequel hook and to give us a team 7 send off + Obito redemption. Madara could not accomodate that plotline.
 
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Ejenku

Zero_Smoke
Konan>Hidan>white zetsu
Mei>Chojuro
Karins chains>suigetsu>juugo
Sakura>all konoha rookies except her team mates
Temari>Kankoro
Hanabi>her clan except hiashi
Kaguya>everyone 1on1
 

SoulFire

Venerable Sage
Moderator
I'm not going to get into the strengths between men and women since I believe that in the real world men and woman have different strengths and weaknesses that balance out in the long run. However, we're dealing with fiction here and fiction influenced by Japanese culture. Some Mangaka create female characters that stand toe to toe with their male counterparts, but Shonen in particular is generally all about the boys so the girls more often than not tend to take a back seat in both abilities and panel time.
 

Dragonus-BB-

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I'm not going to get into the strengths between men and women since I believe that in the real world men and woman have different strengths and weaknesses that balance out in the long run. However, we're dealing with fiction here and fiction influenced by Japanese culture. Some Mangaka create female characters that stand toe to toe with their male counterparts, but Shonen in particular is generally all about the boys so the girls more often than not tend to take a back seat in both abilities and panel time.
As new authors and generations come I think the balance will slowly shift but because shounen jump as the name implies is targeted at young boys/men it's always going to have a particular slant with the kinds of stories it tells and the way it looks at female characters.

It's easy for people in the west to look at "shounen" as a genre, calling it any kind of traditional battle manga or alternative battle genre. However it's actually a demographic, and Jump in particular ALWAYS has a softcore porn harem manga running in its pages. That should tell people enough about why a Jump manga might not treat its female characters equally to its male cast.
 
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The Great One

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becasue we all know magical ckara get stuck in the tits and leaks through the vag in the process known as eye period, as Sasuke nows

bollocks
Not even knowing what body part would be magically enhanced
I'm assuming entire body part?

Which means magik man > magik women as a fighter?

Don't blame me its just biology.
 

Corvida

Anda de dia la noche es mia
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