• The Feature "Collapsible Sections" was now added.
  • Welcome to the forums! Take a second to look at our Beginner's Guide. It contains the information necessary for you to have an easier experience here.

    Thanks and have fun. -NF staff

What was the last fight Sasuke won?

Bashkuga

Well-Known Member
Lol from a different angle you would be able to see Sumire's underwear in that last cover. Wtf is wrong with these people.
 

Fused

The Absolute God
Except none of this is true.
It's not true that the Boruto main villains are one-dimensional? :gokuskully:gokuskully:gokuskully:gokuskully

Even KAGUYA OTSUTSUKI is more complex than Boruto villains, because even though she's trash compared to Madara, at least she had more compelling motivations than "CONSUME EVERYTHING BECAUSE I'M AN EVIL PARASITE ALIEN, HAHAHA!!!"
 

Arles Celes

The Psychologist
This is why Adult Sasuke is so disappointing.
:oldshrug

Every fight he had in the old series was a struggle, but he's had Rinnegan for years now so you would think he would just stomp anyone in his path as an Adult; instead he gets shat on even harder then when Bee almost killed him twice.

I gave up after Shin finessed him.

Kishi's Sasuke favoritism is a myth.

If it's common then you wouldn't struggle to find an example of me saying Boruto was the worst story ever.
:borwuto
"But he had the Rinnegan for years"

Rinnegan was never invincible. Obito, Nagato, Madara...all of them Rinnegan users lost.

RSM is not invincible either.

Just tools.

No character is invincible regardless of the tool he/she got. Even if Super Ultra Rinne Sharingan existed it could also lose.

Kishi's Sasuke favoritism is indeed a myth though. No character was untrollable for Kishi. He seemed to wank Itachi and Minato but when bigger guns appeared (SM Kabuto and Juubi Jins) they were owned. They only looked invincible against lower ranked foes. And the same applies to everyone.

Kishi even said how his favorite female is 1010 and yet he treated her...as he did.

At best a main protagonist and the deuteragonist get the story focused around them. But they may still look lame/ineffectual in fights and require teamwork, asspulls, villain balls, etc.

The rest get the background/cheerleader treatment as the other rookie teams did.

Btw...I wonder why you keep saying how Shin "finessed" Sasuke. Sasuke simply jumped to protect his daughter with his own body from Shin's attack. It was meant to look heroic rather than make him look weak. It was just as Minato and Kushina protecting baby Naruto with their bodies from Kurama's attack. Were they "finessed"?
 

Arles Celes

The Psychologist
It's not true that the Boruto main villains are one-dimensional? :gokuskully:gokuskully:gokuskully:gokuskully

Even KAGUYA OTSUTSUKI is more complex than Boruto villains, because even though she's trash compared to Madara, at least she had more compelling motivations than "CONSUME EVERYTHING BECAUSE I'M AN EVIL PARASITE ALIEN, HAHAHA!!!"
Errr, she planned pretty much the same thing as she wanted to have all chakra for herself.

The only difference is that Isshiki wanted also to drain the planet of life while Kaguya wanted to turn everyone into a Zetsu after draining them of chakra.

All aliens want to have all chakra for themselves.

Kaguya, Isshiki, Momo, new Otsutsuki most likely as well.
 

Arles Celes

The Psychologist
Madara "lost" due to a literal plot technicality :kobeha

Even Kishimoto said that Madara had no weakness. He couldn't be defeated in battle.
Did not Hashi match him before Madara gained Juubi powers while Hashi's powers was still limited by ET?
 

Fused

The Absolute God
Errr, she planned pretty much the same thing as she wanted to have all chakra for herself.

The only difference is that Isshiki wanted also to drain the planet of life while Kaguya wanted to turn everyone into a Zetsu after draining them of chakra.

All aliens want to have all chakra for themselves.

Kaguya, Isshiki, Momo, new Otsutsuki most likely as well.
You don't know Kaguya's backstory. Kaguya came to Earth to consume it, but she ended up falling in love with its inhabitants, she even married a human and had a child with him.

Hagoromo himself says that Kaguya originally was a kind and noble ruler, it was the Chakra Fruit that drove her to madness:



At one point Kaguya even cried when she saw the kids, who reminded her of Hagoromo and Hamura. For all her flaws as a character, Kaguya was 100% more compelling than the other inbred Otsutsuki, because at least she felt genuine love towards others:



So Yeah Kaguya >>>>>>>>> Other Otsutsuki, by far.

Did not Hashi match him before Madara gained Juubi powers while Hashi's powers was still limited by ET?
And Madara's powers were also limited by Edo Tensei, it was said that his ancient strength started coming back to him only after he was revived properly via Rinne Rebirth jutsu.
 

Firo

Well-Known Member
Boruto apologists are incapable of defending the series without talking about Naruto. It's physically impossible for them.
:mjlol:mjlol
Both series are ass :naruramen
But if I had to choose, Boruto would be worse for the simple fact that Fairy tail never lost track of what it truly was (a terrible manga about mages, friendships and other nonsense)
Boruto went from being about ninjas, to later mages and now cyborgs and aliens. :scust
 

Arles Celes

The Psychologist
You don't know Kaguya's backstory. Kaguya came to Earth to consume it, but she ended up falling in love with its inhabitants, she even married a human and had a child with him.

Hagoromo himself says that Kaguya originally was a kind and noble ruler, it was the Chakra Fruit that drove her to madness:



At one point Kaguya even cried when she saw the kids, who reminded her of Hagoromo and Hamura. For all her flaws as a character, Kaguya was 100% more compelling than the other inbred Otsutsuki, because at least she felt genuine love towards others:



So Yeah Kaguya >>>>>>>>> Other Otsutsuki, by far.


And Madara's powers were also limited by Edo Tensei, it was said that his ancient strength started coming back to him only after he was revived properly via Rinne Rebirth jutsu.
Isn't Kaguya falling in love just anime filler?

And her crying was more crazy that anything since she was just angry that her sons had the chakra that she wanted so badly.

She thought herself the goddess of all chakra but chakra clearly existed before her.

Crazy deluded woman.
 

Fused

The Absolute God
Isn't Kaguya falling in love just anime filler?
She had two children after she came to Earth... What do you think that means?

When you have two children, it's usually because you've fallen in love with someone, and decided to have sex with them. Naturally in real life the first part is not necessary, but Naruto is not that dark of a story at all.

So Yes, the mere existence of Hagoromo and Hamura indeed proves that Kaguya harboured genuine love for a human.

We also know that she harboured love for the planet itself, since she called the Earth "her precious nursery". The other Otsutsuki wanted to destroy the Earth because they're evil, Kaguya sought to preserve it in her twisted way because she came to love it. Completely different.
Crazy deluded woman.
BUT SHE IS STILL MORE COMPELLING THAN MOMOSHITTI, ISSHITI, FAT ONE-SHITTI. Granted it doesn't take much to be more compelling than those bland toasters.

And you missed the point of the crying scene, it humanizes Kaguya and shows she's not just a machine, like the other Otsutsuki who never show any emotion at all.
 

Arles Celes

The Psychologist
She had two children after she came to Earth... What do you think that means?

When you have two children, it's usually because you've fallen in love with someone, and decided to have sex with them. Naturally in real life the first part is not necessary, but Naruto is not that dark of a story at all.

So Yes, the mere existence of Hagoromo and Hamura indeed proves that Kaguya harboured genuine love for a human.

We also know that she harboured love for the planet itself, since she called the Earth "her precious nursery". The other Otsutsuki wanted to destroy the Earth because they're evil, Kaguya sought to preserve it in her twisted way because she came to love it. Completely different.

BUT SHE IS STILL MORE COMPELLING THAN MOMOSHITTI, ISSHITI, FAT ONE-SHITTI. Granted it doesn't take much to be more compelling than those bland toasters.

And you missed the point of the crying scene, it humanizes Kaguya and shows she's not just a machine, like the other Otsutsuki who never show any emotion at all.
As if having sex always requires love. Seeing Naruto's Sexy no jutsu made her horny too. :catwave

Said "nursery" involved ending all life on Earth by turning all living beings into Zetsus. The difference between that and Isshiki's/Momo's way of draining everyone from chakra is barely there.

Kinshiki also was Momo's adoptive father so they clearly had their own twisted bond too.

Isshiki cared about Code to the point of calling his most beloved subordinate and entrusting him with his will. He also teased Delta.

They are all capable of some humanish emotions even if warped and crazy.

Seems to be an alien thing.
 

Fused

The Absolute God
As if having sex always requires love. Seeing Naruto's Sexy no jutsu made her horny too. :catwave

Said "nursery" involved ending all life on Earth by turning all living beings into Zetsus. The difference between that and Isshiki's/Momo's way of draining everyone from chakra is barely there.

Kinshiki also was Momo's adoptive father so they clearly had their own twisted bond too.

Isshiki cared about Code to the point of calling his most beloved subordinate and entrusting him with his will. He also teased Delta.

They are all capable of some humanish emotions even if warped and crazy.

Seems to be an alien thing.
No, they're trash villains no one cares about. Kaguya had genuine love once as Hagoromo himself said.

You can enjoy your Zoomer show, just know that it's villains are made for Zoomers (kids), so they'll essentially be comparable to Scooby Doo villains :kobeha
 

Gen D

Well-Known Member
Because I just told you they are both canon and meant to be followed together.
That does not contradict that the manga cannot support itself. As a standalone piece of storytelling, it intentionally fails.
 

Gen D

Well-Known Member
Rinnegan was never invincible. Obito, Nagato, Madara...all of them Rinnegan users lost.

RSM is not invincible either.
You shifted his argument into a easier target to argue against. That's a strawman.

He didn't say he would be invincible. Only that the tools of the Rinnegan, practiced over a period of 17 years, should have give Sasuke a repertoire (with all his other techniques, physical power and intelligence) that made him a increadibly difficult opponent to contend with, even for those above his physical pay grade.
 

Bashkuga

Well-Known Member
No, they're trash villains no one cares about. Kaguya had genuine love once as Hagoromo himself said.

You can enjoy your Zoomer show, just know that it's villains are made for Zoomers (kids), so they'll essentially be comparable to Scooby Doo villains :kobeha

 

Arles Celes

The Psychologist
You shifted his argument into a easier target to argue against. That's a strawman.

He didn't say he would be invincible. Only that the tools of the Rinnegan, practiced over a period of 17 years, should have give Sasuke a repertoire (with all his other techniques, physical power and intelligence) that made him a increadibly difficult opponent to contend with, even for those above his physical pay grade.
The Rinnegan was hardly used to its full ability by Obito and Madara who clearly mastered it so why would Kishi treat Sasuke differently?

Hell...against Guy, Madara did not even use Limbo.

Plus Zef said how lame it is how Sasuke got schooled by Shin...even though it was outright stated that both Sasuke's Rinnegan and EMS were depowered then.

So why exactly should years of practice with the Rinnegan make Sasuke do better when said eye happens to be depowered at that moment?

And if we talk of the aliens then we know Isshiki is at least 1000 years old so he got much more battle experience that Sasuke. Momo likely is quite old too.

Furthermore it was never confirmed neither in the epilogue of the original manga nor in Boruto that Sasuke mastered his Rinnegan or even focused on doing so. His goal was alien seeking. No further details were elaborated.

So Sasuke doing "who knows what" with the Rinnegan was just wishful thinking.
 

Gen D

Well-Known Member
The Rinnegan was hardly used to its full ability by Obito and Madara who clearly mastered it so why would Kishi treat Sasuke differently?
Plot Induced Stupidity and the restrictions applied to them by the story.

Obito could hardly possess 1 Rinnegan, and Madara's eyes weren't as powerful as they would have been if they were real.

Also, please give me a citation that stated they mastered the Rinnegan. Obito had it for a days before the war started and Madara had awakened prior to dying, so he implanted them into Nagato soon after awakening.

Only Nagato has comparable years of experience to using the Rinnegan, and we've seen how he can use it simultaniously with just an edo body and not in his right mind.

even though it was outright stated that both Sasuke's Rinnegan and EMS were depowered then.
That was invented for Gaiden when that never happened in the manga prior. I don't know about Zef, but I find that a very cheep way to nerf his eyes.

So why exactly should years of practice with the Rinnegan make Sasuke do better when said eye happens to be depowered at that moment?
Because nothing at all stated all of his powers disappeared.

Especially when he used Amenotejikara without the tomoe.



And if we talk of the other aliens then we know Isshiki is at least 1000 years old so he got much more battle experience that Sasuke. Momo likely is quite old too.
That has no bearing on Sasuke's talent with the Rinnegan...

Furthermore it was never confirmed neither in the epilogue of the original manga nor in Boruto that Sasuke mastered his Rinnegan or even focused on doing so. His goal was alien seeking. No further details were elaborated.
He was able to use a multi-core Chibaku Tensei maybe not even an hour after awakening the eye.

He also figured out the Preta Path in time for his fight against Naruto. You're telling me in 17 years he wouldn't have figured all of them out and practiced?

That is nonsensical.
 

Arles Celes

The Psychologist
You said Obito clearly mastered the Rinnegan like Madara, how can you say that when he couldn't even handle a second one?
We do not know what limits exactly came with only having one Rinnegan.

We know that Obito could seal the Juubi within himself thans to the Rinnegan sealing jutsu that allowed it.

And we know that Madara did teach Obito everything he knew about how to use the Rinnegan.
 

Mapel

Well-Known Member
It is time to face the truth, the writers don't like Sasuke and they never will.:smilepepe

He took nothing but Ls in Shippuden and he is even worse in Boruto without plot to save his ass.

He will never be anything more a stepping stone for the new gen and a punching bag for villains.

He won't get any stronger, he will never win any fight and he's destined to teach Boruto (not like Boruto even needs his teaching) then die.:troll


This is what you want right?
 

Zef

Not to be confused with ZefST the Sasuke fan
We do not know what limits exactly came with only having one Rinnegan.
We know the true potential of Madara's Rinnegan could only be realized when both eyes are present.
:borwuto



"Yet I, who am not its original owner was able to accomplish this much with just one"

Implying more can be done with a pair of Rinnegan.
:uglycat

Implying more can be done when said Rinnegan pair are with its original owner.
:uglycat

"With ocular powers, only with both eyes together can their full power be unleashed"


How exactly did Obito master anything when he's not working with the eye's full potential?
:uglycat

And out of all the Rinnegan users he's had the least time with it.

A few days/weeks at best or however long it was between stealing them off Nagato's corpse and the start of the War.
:lmao
 

Arles Celes

The Psychologist
We know the true potential of Madara's Rinnegan could only be realized when both eyes are present.
:borwuto



"Yet I, who am not its original owner was able to accomplish this much with just one"

Implying more can be done with a pair of Rinnegan.
:uglycat

Implying more can be done when said Rinnegan pair are with its original owner.
:uglycat

"With ocular powers, only with both eyes together can their full power be unleashed"


How exactly did Obito master anything when he's not working with the eye's full potential?
:uglycat

And out of all the Rinnegan users he's had the least time with it.

A few days/weeks at best or however long it was between stealing them off Nagato's corpse and the start of the War.
:lmao
Meh, Nagato had both eyes and he was still less impressive that Obito IMO.

But okay, I admit that he was not at his best due to having only one eye that was not his.
 

Kazekage Gaara

Kazekage
Sasuke is an enigma. The second strongest character in Naruto history, yet he either got absolutely shat on or had an ultimate plot armor protection before the War arc. After War arc he became hax.

In Part 1 he was awesome. Defeated Yoroi, would probably win against Gaara in the Chunnin exam, but then that Gaara stomped him when he went Partial transformation. He got rekt by Itachi (but anyone would), and then got jealous of Naruto, ultimately defeating him. Pretty good.

But Shippuden... not so good.

He rekt Team 7, but just as Yamato wanted to get serious, Orochimaru intervened. He also battled a handicapped Naruto (who, if he could go 4 tails at that point would curb stomp him). Naruto also seemed to hold back since friendship and stuff, not trying to even block the sword when Sasuke tried to stab him. He didn't use a single jutsu either. I'll give him a pass on that one, but it's still not a battle where you can say that he won it. A healthy Naruto with a serious Yamato would be a tough battle for him (Sai aside and Sakura is useless).

After that, he killed a dying bed-ridden Orochimaru. I don't even know why people are giving him credit for this. Not an amazing feat at all - Sasuke himself stated that if Oro was healthy, he would not win. So that is not a battle that you can outright give to him. He waited for him to start dying and then murdered him lol.

His battle with Deidara was truly interesting and he was definitely stronger, but once again plot armor saved him - If Suigetsu didn't use the scroll, we don't even know how he would come back after using reverse summoning. Plus that was an asspull save as well, being completely out of chakra and then summoning fucking Manda and reverse summoning himself along with it. Should have died if not from the explosion, then from chakra depletion.

Against Itachi, he only won because Itachi wanted him to win as stated by Tobi. Plus this Itachi was close to death also. Once again, plot armor saved him. If Itachi wanted to win, he would win.

Against Killer Bee, he should have died twice. His team saved him twice (three times if you count Suigetsu jumping in water and battling a full-powered 8 tails while he recuperated). Bee was clearly stronger, he even managed to deceive him by escaping and leaving a clone behind. Made an absolute fool out of him.

I don't even need to mention The Kage Summit arc. I can't even count the number of times he should have died there. Plus he literally went blind from overusing his eyes after he just got the MS.

Danzo fight - Again, saved by Karin after sword stabbing, aided by Karin constantly, and then even Tobi helped him in the end. He should have died multiple times there, also. Although he did pretty good in that fight, especially against so many Izanagi's.

Team 7 reunion - not a factor at all. Naruto with Sage Mode against a blind Sasuke would be a complete curb stomp. He was literally lucky as fuck because Naruto wanted to save him and not kill him. If he decided to go bloodlust, bye-bye Sauce.

He got saved a looooooooooot, even more than Naruto did. However, I admit that some of the battles were not favorable to him and he was sometimes used as a character to showcase the enemy's full abilities (Deidara, Killer Bee, Danzo, 5 Kages, even Itachi to some extent). And in order for the writer to show someone's abilities, the other side has to "suffer" a bit so that we can truly see how powerful and dangerous someone is.

That's why Sasuke was used as a pawn by Kishimoto.

A pawn to showcase someone's abilities as I said. By using Sasuke, Kishi showed us Deidara's C2, C4 Karura, self explosion, etc.
He showed us Killer Bee's abilities, even outright had to kill him to do so.
He showed us Danzo's abilities and used him to introduce Izanagi.
He had him march straight on to 5 Kage meeting and battle all of them lol, just so he can show us a glimpse of their strength.
Even used him to introduce Susano'o.

Some of the worst and strongest abilities were showcased on Sasuke, so of course he needed a lot of saving and plot shields to survive.
 
Sasuke is an enigma. The second strongest character in Naruto history, yet he either got absolutely shat on or had an ultimate plot armor protection before the War arc. After War arc he became hax.

In Part 1 he was awesome. Defeated Yoroi, would probably win against Gaara in the Chunnin exam, but then that Gaara stomped him when he went Partial transformation. He got rekt by Itachi (but anyone would), and then got jealous of Naruto, ultimately defeating him. Pretty good.

But Shippuden... not so good.

He rekt Team 7, but just as Yamato wanted to get serious, Orochimaru intervened. He also battled a handicapped Naruto (who, if he could go 4 tails at that point would curb stomp him). Naruto also seemed to hold back since friendship and stuff, not trying to even block the sword when Sasuke tried to stab him. He didn't use a single jutsu either. I'll give him a pass on that one, but it's still not a battle where you can say that he won it. A healthy Naruto with a serious Yamato would be a tough battle for him (Sai aside and Sakura is useless).

After that, he killed a dying bed-ridden Orochimaru. I don't even know why people are giving him credit for this. Not an amazing feat at all - Sasuke himself stated that if Oro was healthy, he would not win. So that is not a battle that you can outright give to him. He waited for him to start dying and then murdered him lol.

His battle with Deidara was truly interesting and he was definitely stronger, but once again plot armor saved him - If Suigetsu didn't use the scroll, we don't even know how he would come back after using reverse summoning. Plus that was an asspull save as well, being completely out of chakra and then summoning fucking Manda and reverse summoning himself along with it. Should have died if not from the explosion, then from chakra depletion.

Against Itachi, he only won because Itachi wanted him to win as stated by Tobi. Plus this Itachi was close to death also. Once again, plot armor saved him. If Itachi wanted to win, he would win.

Against Killer Bee, he should have died twice. His team saved him twice (three times if you count Suigetsu jumping in water and battling a full-powered 8 tails while he recuperated). Bee was clearly stronger, he even managed to deceive him by escaping and leaving a clone behind. Made an absolute fool out of him.

I don't even need to mention The Kage Summit arc. I can't even count the number of times he should have died there. Plus he literally went blind from overusing his eyes after he just got the MS.

Danzo fight - Again, saved by Karin after sword stabbing, aided by Karin constantly, and then even Tobi helped him in the end. He should have died multiple times there, also. Although he did pretty good in that fight, especially against so many Izanagi's.

Team 7 reunion - not a factor at all. Naruto with Sage Mode against a blind Sasuke would be a complete curb stomp. He was literally lucky as fuck because Naruto wanted to save him and not kill him. If he decided to go bloodlust, bye-bye Sauce.

He got saved a looooooooooot, even more than Naruto did. However, I admit that some of the battles were not favorable to him and he was sometimes used as a character to showcase the enemy's full abilities (Deidara, Killer Bee, Danzo, 5 Kages, even Itachi to some extent). And in order for the writer to show someone's abilities, the other side has to "suffer" a bit so that we can truly see how powerful and dangerous someone is.

That's why Sasuke was used as a pawn by Kishimoto.

A pawn to showcase someone's abilities as I said. By using Sasuke, Kishi showed us Deidara's C2, C4 Karura, self explosion, etc.
He showed us Killer Bee's abilities, even outright had to kill him to do so.
He showed us Danzo's abilities and used him to introduce Izanagi.
He had him march straight on to 5 Kage meeting and battle all of them lol, just so he can show us a glimpse of their strength.
Even used him to introduce Susano'o.

Some of the worst and strongest abilities were showcased on Sasuke, so of course he needed a lot of saving and plot shields to survive.

Sasuke is a tool to hype other character or make the story advance.
 

Arles Celes

The Psychologist
Sasuke is an enigma. The second strongest character in Naruto history, yet he either got absolutely shat on or had an ultimate plot armor protection before the War arc. After War arc he became hax.

In Part 1 he was awesome. Defeated Yoroi, would probably win against Gaara in the Chunnin exam, but then that Gaara stomped him when he went Partial transformation. He got rekt by Itachi (but anyone would), and then got jealous of Naruto, ultimately defeating him. Pretty good.

But Shippuden... not so good.

He rekt Team 7, but just as Yamato wanted to get serious, Orochimaru intervened. He also battled a handicapped Naruto (who, if he could go 4 tails at that point would curb stomp him). Naruto also seemed to hold back since friendship and stuff, not trying to even block the sword when Sasuke tried to stab him. He didn't use a single jutsu either. I'll give him a pass on that one, but it's still not a battle where you can say that he won it. A healthy Naruto with a serious Yamato would be a tough battle for him (Sai aside and Sakura is useless).

After that, he killed a dying bed-ridden Orochimaru. I don't even know why people are giving him credit for this. Not an amazing feat at all - Sasuke himself stated that if Oro was healthy, he would not win. So that is not a battle that you can outright give to him. He waited for him to start dying and then murdered him lol.

His battle with Deidara was truly interesting and he was definitely stronger, but once again plot armor saved him - If Suigetsu didn't use the scroll, we don't even know how he would come back after using reverse summoning. Plus that was an asspull save as well, being completely out of chakra and then summoning fucking Manda and reverse summoning himself along with it. Should have died if not from the explosion, then from chakra depletion.

Against Itachi, he only won because Itachi wanted him to win as stated by Tobi. Plus this Itachi was close to death also. Once again, plot armor saved him. If Itachi wanted to win, he would win.

Against Killer Bee, he should have died twice. His team saved him twice (three times if you count Suigetsu jumping in water and battling a full-powered 8 tails while he recuperated). Bee was clearly stronger, he even managed to deceive him by escaping and leaving a clone behind. Made an absolute fool out of him.

I don't even need to mention The Kage Summit arc. I can't even count the number of times he should have died there. Plus he literally went blind from overusing his eyes after he just got the MS.

Danzo fight - Again, saved by Karin after sword stabbing, aided by Karin constantly, and then even Tobi helped him in the end. He should have died multiple times there, also. Although he did pretty good in that fight, especially against so many Izanagi's.

Team 7 reunion - not a factor at all. Naruto with Sage Mode against a blind Sasuke would be a complete curb stomp. He was literally lucky as fuck because Naruto wanted to save him and not kill him. If he decided to go bloodlust, bye-bye Sauce.

He got saved a looooooooooot, even more than Naruto did. However, I admit that some of the battles were not favorable to him and he was sometimes used as a character to showcase the enemy's full abilities (Deidara, Killer Bee, Danzo, 5 Kages, even Itachi to some extent). And in order for the writer to show someone's abilities, the other side has to "suffer" a bit so that we can truly see how powerful and dangerous someone is.

That's why Sasuke was used as a pawn by Kishimoto.

A pawn to showcase someone's abilities as I said. By using Sasuke, Kishi showed us Deidara's C2, C4 Karura, self explosion, etc.
He showed us Killer Bee's abilities, even outright had to kill him to do so.
He showed us Danzo's abilities and used him to introduce Izanagi.
He had him march straight on to 5 Kage meeting and battle all of them lol, just so he can show us a glimpse of their strength.
Even used him to introduce Susano'o.

Some of the worst and strongest abilities were showcased on Sasuke, so of course he needed a lot of saving and plot shields to survive.
Most main characters had some factor that put some degree of "dirt" in their winning medals.

Sasuke was one of those.

Naruto also had the same shit. Was genjutsu owned by Itachi and needed to be saved by Chiyo and Sakura, would end up having his heart ripped off by Kakuzu if his companions had not saved him, needed Hinata and Minato to save him against a Pain who was tired from fighting the rest of Konoha and was holding back, was getting owned by Nagato and needed Itachi's and Bee's help, etc. His FRS was getting absorbed or dodged most of the time.

Kakashi even worse as he lost every fight aside from the Zabuza fight. Always used as a hype tool for villains.

Sakura only won one fight against Sasori and needed Chiyo's help. Even then it was implied that Sasori threw the fight.

Shika was humiliated in the first fight against Hidan and lost his teacher. Needed tons of prep time and some help from his companions to live long enough to lead Hidan into a deadly trap. Did not accomplish anything of note on his own after that.

All other rookies got even less.

Only Minato, Itachi and Guy were getting some moderately nice treatment from Kishi. And even they did not always win.

Even Obito, Madara and Kaguya had histories of defeat under their belt.
 

Thiago20019

Well-Known Member
I prefer a consistently decent or better character who is not insufferable which erza isn't and sarada is.
Now you made me curious, name a single Sarada's character arc in the manga. I feel like we're reading different manga.

Except none of this is true.
None? :catthinks

- Sexualization of female characters (in Boruto case underage teens)


:puke

- Wasted characters
Say "hi" to Mitsuki.


- The world revolves around the protagonist
Alien god (who just defeated the strongest ninjas in the world) Vs. Teenager (who needed to cheat to defeat other teenagers):


- One-dimensional main villains
Choose one.


- Meaningless and boring figths
Summing up all Boruto's fights.





- Nonsense main plots
A boy possessed by an alien in a Ninja World.
A boy hunted by an organization of androids led by an alien in a Ninja World.
It really is not nonsense.

- "He died, but he is fine"
NO WAY....


But go on ahead and keep trying to defend the dogshit writing in FT just to make Boruto look bad. You guys just further prove my original point.
Keep lying to yourself.
 
Top Bottom