what killed itachi? his own ego

[AbnormallyNormal]

the only reason itachi lost is because he stood around acting fabulous, and bragging, instead of rushing at sasuke and getting the damn eyes (once he activated susano-o since he had to know it was a time limit til his death)

 

[InfIchi]

His arrogance was his downfall...

not using tsuki in full force, causing backlash, which weakened his eyes and response time, which caused his leg to get hit, Which forced him into a position to use amaterasu, which forced him into a position to use Susanoo, which caused him to get cocky, which made him take his time with a failing body, which ended up failing just before he got his new light.

 

[Pepe Grillo]

^ Where's said that he didn't used Tsukiyomi at full capacity?

 

[InfIchi]

^ Where's said that he didn't used Tsukiyomi at full capacity?

compare that tsuki to the previous ones, the pain felt in the illusion is "Real"

For kakashi he sent him through 72 hrs of constant stab wounds on hundreds of bodies, Keeping kakashi bound.

Or the mental torture placed on sasuke by showing him the deaths of his family twice.

it just seems like he really wasn't torturing sasuke that much, or trying too really.

 

[Pepe Grillo]

compare that tsuki to the previous ones, the pain felt in the illusion is "Real"

For kakashi he sent him through 72 hrs of constant stab wounds on hundreds of bodies, Keeping kakashi bound.

Or the mental torture placed on sasuke by showing him the deaths of his family twice.

it just seems like he really wasn't torturing sasuke that much, or trying too really.

Well, getting your eyes plucked again and again for 72 hours isn't funny, and I know that the tsukoyomi was weird made, to trick us, look that the colors aren't as before (more black than white) untill the end.

Maybe it was like that because Sasuke has uchicha blood, and better sharingan control/3 tomoe sharingan, and maybe the tsukoyomi doesn't work has is full capacity with those conditions.

Lets say that the tsukoyomi can work perfectly no matter what, we know that Itachi didn't want to kill sasuke (don't know why, he could easily pluck Sasuke's eyes from hiscorpse, maybe Itachi is good after all? maybe there was something else?? maybe the dude with the eyes has to be alive?? who knows).
And tsukoyomi it's a jutsu that kills, as stated by kakashi, yes, i know that with sharingan you can make some resistance, but how would itachi know that Sasuke had that level of sharingan?? with normal sharingan genjutsu??

Itachi did the best decisions in this fight IMO

 

[mastercilander]

Itachi might've been testing Sasuke's ability to withstand each of his specific jutsus.

 

[CrystalCypher]

compare that tsuki to the previous ones, the pain felt in the illusion is "Real"

For kakashi he sent him through 72 hrs of constant stab wounds on hundreds of bodies, Keeping kakashi bound.

Or the mental torture placed on sasuke by showing him the deaths of his family twice.

it just seems like he really wasn't torturing sasuke that much, or trying too really.

Because Sasuke broke out of it. Itachi sent Kakashi through 72 hours of pain because Kakashi was helpless. The same with 7 year old Sasuke. You forget that Itachi said that he can do whatever the fuck he wants to in the Tsukyomi world. If he wants it to be pink with yellow bunnies jumping around than he could do that. It's Itachi's world. Plus, there was the fact that the world DID turn into black/white before Sasuke broke out of it. So in essence your argument is pretty much baseless.

 

[InfIchi]

Well, getting your eyes plucked again and again for 72 hours isn't funny, and I know that the tsukoyomi was weird made, to trick us, look that the colors aren't as before (more black than white).

it would kinda be like the one guy who is stuck getting his liver pecked out for eternity.

Yeah, The Tsuki wasn't exactly used in the normal way it seems, And it didn't seem to be used for actually causing TOO much mental pain and fatigue to sasuke. (which might be where the "He underestimated" sasuke comment came from)

Maybe it was like that because Sasuke has uchicha blood, and better sharingan control/3 tomoe sharingan, and maybe the tsukoyomi doesn't work has is full capacity with those conditions.

i doubt that, Everything that happens is under itachi's control, he most likely wanted sasuke to think it was Real, It makes sense.

But there is a slim chance your right, Which still means it was itachi's own arrogance which brought him down.

Lets say that the tsukoyomi can work perfectly no matter what, we know that Itachi didn't want to kill sasuke (don't know why, he could easily pluck Sasuke's eyes from hiscorpse, maybe Itachi is good after all? maybe there was something else?? maybe the dude with the eyes has to be alive?? who knows).

possibly he needs to be alive.. but then... what about him burning sasuke's body up to the chest?

And tsukoyomi it's a jutsu that kills, as stated by kakashi, yes, i know that with sharingan you can make some resistance, but how would itachi know that Sasuke had that level of sharingan?? with normal sharingan genjutsu??

Itachi did the best decisions in this fight IMO

and Kisame comments that it can kill too right?

i think that Itachi' was being his normal cocky/arrogant self thinking Tsuki would be able to end it, but also taunting sasuke with the jutsu rather then fully using its abilities.

His arrogance and underestimating sasuke's skills lead to the tsuki being broken, His leg being injured, His amaterasu failing, his arm getting burned, and him forced to use Susanoo.

Because Sasuke broke out of it. Itachi sent Kakashi through 72 hours of pain because Kakashi was helpless. The same with 7 year old Sasuke. You forget that Itachi said that he can do whatever the fuck he wants to in the Tsukyomi world. If he wants it to be pink with yellow bunnies jumping around than he could do that. It's Itachi's world. Plus, there was the fact that the world DID turn into black/white before Sasuke broke out of it. So in essence your argument is pretty much baseless.

sasuke was also not bound like kakashi was, And was able to fight back while in tsuki.

besides, you didn't really disprove the fact that itachi didn't put much torture to sasuke while using Tsuki.

The fact that Tsuki can be used to kill means there is a different level of torture he can put on the people he uses it on.

he seems to have gone easy on sasuke using this one, "Underestimating sasuke's skills"

 

[Para]

the only reason itachi lost is because he stood around acting fabulous, and bragging, instead of rushing at sasuke and getting the damn eyes (once he activated susano-o since he had to know it was a time limit til his death)

He wasn't acting fabulous... he IS fabulous

Yeah; he really shouldn't have held back as much as he did.

 

[Pepe Grillo]

it would kinda be like the one guy who is stuck getting his liver pecked out for eternity.

i doubt that, Everything that happens is under itachi's control, he most likely wanted sasuke to think it was Real, It makes sense.

I really don't believe that Itachi wanted Sasuke to broke the tsukoyomi lol.

possibly he needs to be alive.. but then... what about him burning sasuke's body up to the chest?

Yes, that was something weird... even more if Itachi was really testing sasuke power lol, I don't know what to say about that really, maybe you can be alive with half body in narutoverse? come on!! If ninjas can still fight with one arm (jiraya) why they can't be a little alive with half body?? I have no answer to that, it's something that keeps bothering me untill now.

i think that Itachi' was being his normal cocky/arrogant self thinking Tsuki would be able to end it, but also taunting sasuke with the jutsu rather then fully using its abilities.

His arrogance and underestimating sasuke's skills lead to the tsuki being broken, His leg being injured, His amaterasu failing, his arm getting burned, and him forced to use Susanoo.

Well, I don't think that he acted cocky in this fight at any time, he used tuskiyomi because he thought that it would have end the fight, i agree with you, but see, Itachi didn't only had to fight with sasuke, but with time itself, becoming blinder and blinder as the battle advanced...
he had to end it ASAP, or things would turn ugly for him (and they did).

talking about blindness, maybe that's why the tsukoyomi not worked?? he didn't had 100% of is eyesight, propably he didn't had 100% of his sharingan crontrol. who knows

 

[CrystalCypher]

sasuke was also not bound like kakashi was, And was able to fight back while in tsuki.

Sasuke was not bound like Kakashi was because Itachi was holding Sasuke against the wall when he took one eye out. Itachi than used a clone to hold sasuke's hands when Itachi was going for the other one. Sasuke was not even fighting back. Sasuke pretty much couldn't move and the only thing he could do was activate his CS.

besides, you didn't really disprove the fact that itachi didn't put much torture to sasuke while using Tsuki.

Uh, I did. I said because Sasuke broke out of it before Itachi did anymore damage. That is what you seem to not understand. Kakashi felt those 3 days of torture because he couldn't get out of it and had to endure it. Sasuke when he was 7 and again at 12 couldn't get out of it and had to endure it.

The fact that Tsuki can be used to kill means there is a different level of torture he can put on the people he uses it on.

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Kisame said that Tsukyomi is used to break down ones spirit. I guess that means that if your spirit isn't strong enough and you are in the Tsukyomi long enough than you will die. I guess Kakashi just had a strong enough spirit to barely stay alive. As I said above, Itachi didn't have a chance to break Sasuke's spirit this time because Sasuke broke out of it.

 

[InfIchi]

I really don't believe that Itachi wanted Sasuke to broke the tsukoyomi lol.

no i mean he wanted sasuke to believe what was happening was a reality rather then an illusion (and it seems that for a little bit sasuke did)

Yes, that was something weird... even more if Itachi was really testing sasuke power lol, I don't know what to say about that really, maybe you can be alive with half body in narutoverse? come on!! If ninjas can still fight with one arm (jiraya) why they can't be a little alive with half body?? I have no answer to that, it's something that keeps bothering me untill now.

yeah... kinda confusing.

Well, I don't think that he acted cocky in this fight at any time, he used tuskiyomi because he thought that it would have end the fight, i agree with you, but see, Itachi didn't only had to fight with sasuke, but with time itself, becoming blinder and blinder as the battle advanced...
he had to end it ASAP, or things would turn ugly for him (and they did).

"I'll take my time, i want to savor this."

Its odd... he wanted to end it fast, but at many points, he was acting cocky going easy on sasuke and purposely taking his time.

talking about blindness, maybe that's why the tsukoyomi not worked?? he didn't had 100% of is eyesight, propably he didn't had 100% of his sharingan crontrol. who knows

Eh anything is possible i suppose.

 

[...]

sasuke definitely caused itachi to die.
he broke tsukuyomi,escaped amaterasu and used it for his own purpose.
he used kirin,which damaged him and forced him to use susanoo --which was a suicidal jutsu.
sasuke's strength is the main factor.itachi's arrogance a VERY minor factor.although it is a factor.

 

[Pepe Grillo]

no i mean he wanted sasuke to believe what was happening was a reality rather then an illusion (and it seems that for a little bit sasuke did)

oh, ok

"I'll take my time, i want to savor this."

Its odd... he wanted to end it fast, but at many points, he was acting cocky going easy on sasuke and purposely taking his time.

Well, Sasuke was out of chakra, and all fucked up, against a wall, scared and almost shited is pants (sfx: shuffle shuffle), the battle was over... at that point I agree with you, he acted cocky for just one sec, but that didn't kill him, i really believe that if orochimaru should't have interfered, Itachi would had win. But well, itsn't like that

Gotta go to sleep, see ya lol

 

[InfIchi]

Well, Sasuke was out of chakra, and all fucked up, against a wall, scared and almost shited is pants (sfx: shuffle shuffle), the battle was over... at that point I agree with you, he acted cocky for just one sec, but that didn't kill him, i really believe that if orochimaru should't have interfered, Itachi would had win. But well, itsn't like that

Gotta go to sleep, see ya lol

Well he took his sweet time to get to sasuke, and he didn't bother attacking him with anything just defending...

he seemed to have been REALLY damned cocky at that point.

Sasuke was not bound like Kakashi was because Itachi was holding Sasuke against the wall when he took one eye out. Itachi than used a clone to hold sasuke's hands when Itachi was going for the other one. Sasuke was not even fighting back. Sasuke pretty much couldn't move and the only thing he could do was activate his CS.

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so... he wasn't fighting back then...?

he pushed itachi away before the clone came out and then got grabbed from behind before breaking Tsuki.

Uh, I did. I said because Sasuke broke out of it before Itachi did anymore damage. That is what you seem to not understand. Kakashi felt those 3 days of torture because he couldn't get out of it and had to endure it. Sasuke when he was 7 and again at 12 couldn't get out of it and had to endure it.

Sasuke broke out of it before itachi faked taking out his second eye, However if itachi wanted he could have done things that were much worse then just "lolz i took your eye."

he could have done it on a scale of thousands while sasuke was trapped inside a metal wall with only his head sticking out.

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-142/page018.html

Kisame said that Tsukyomi is used to break down ones spirit. I guess that means that if your spirit isn't strong enough and you are in the Tsukyomi long enough than you will die. I guess Kakashi just had a strong enough spirit to barely stay alive. As I said above, Itachi didn't have a chance to break Sasuke's spirit this time because Sasuke broke out of it.

he had all the time he needed, he just let his cockyness get the better of him and wasted much time and took it easy on sasuke.


just... re-read the chapter, he went REALLY easy on sasuke. (hell even if tsuki was broken sasuke should suffer side effects from the torture he received in tsuki, he was able to recover in a few pages.)

 

[CrystalCypher]

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so... he wasn't fighting back then...?

he pushed itachi away before the clone came out and then got grabbed from behind before breaking Tsuki.

Good job posting the pics of what I was describing. If putting your hand that was free on your bloody eye and than looking at it than trying to activate CS only for it to be useless is fighting back than Wow.

Sasuke broke out of it before itachi faked taking out his second eye, However if itachi wanted he could have done things that were much worse then just "lolz i took your eye."

he could have done it on a scale of thousands while sasuke was trapped inside a metal wall with only his head sticking out.

and if Itachi had tried to do that, Sasuke would have known it was Tsukyomi and would have tried to break out faster. As far as I know, the outside world Tsukyomi takes place in a instant, but in the inside of Tsukyomi it's as if it's real time. If it wasn't, Itachi would have had both of Sasuke's eyes in a instant and Sasuke would have felt the pain.

just... re-read the chapter, he went REALLY easy on sasuke. (hell even if tsuki was broken sasuke should suffer side effects from the torture he received in tsuki, he was able to recover in a few pages.)

The only thing Itachi did was underestimate Sasuke's potential. When it comes to your parenthesis statement:

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[InfIchi]

Good job posting the pics of what I was describing. If putting your hand that was free on your bloody eye and than looking at it than trying to activate CS only for it to be useless is fighting back than Wow.

so, Activating your CS2 wing and pushing itachi away with it is not a form of fighting back when you are pinned to a wall?

and if Itachi had tried to do that, Sasuke would have known it was Tsukyomi and would have tried to break out faster. As far as I know, the outside world Tsukyomi takes place in a instant, but in the inside of Tsukyomi it's as if it's real time. If it wasn't, Itachi would have had both of Sasuke's eyes in a instant and Sasuke would have felt the pain.

which again just shows that itachi wasn't really using this move seriously.

itachi COULD have had both sasuke's eyes, But you note the time he takes to talk to sasuke before going for that second eye.

itachi's cockyness and arrogance lead to Tsuki getting broke, he took it too easy on sasuke, he talked to much, he wasted time.

The only thing Itachi did was underestimate Sasuke's potential. When it comes to your parenthesis statement:

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Yes, He underestimated sasuke. due to his own arrogance right?

 

[Reptar Kamina]

i believe itachi-san is an anti-hero

he never intended to win
hence forehead poke

 

[CrystalCypher]

so, Activating your CS2 wing and pushing itachi away with it is not a form of fighting back when you are pinned to a wall?

It's not when you're still getting held down and about to get your other eye taken out.

which again just shows that itachi wasn't really using this move seriously.

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Of course he was. Itachi was trying to prove a point that without Magenkyou Sharingan that Sasuke still had a gap to fill in when it came to their eyes. Itachi was just doing the same shit when he used Tsukyomi on Kakashi because Kakashi didn't have their blood and to 12 year old Sasuke to show that he still wasn't ready. Sasuke proved Itachi wrong by breaking it which in turn made Itachi use his Amaretsu.

itachi COULD have had both sasuke's eyes, But you note the time he takes to talk to sasuke before going for that second eye.

itachi's cockyness and arrogance lead to Tsuki getting broke, he took it too easy on sasuke, he talked to much, he wasted time.

You do realize that he wasn't just talking, but also having his clone get a hold of Sasuke, right? Plus, it's not like it's taking 1 minute to do it. All that shit happened in like 5-6 seconds. I thought it was established that Zetsu was more of Kishimoto's "voice". If Itachi was taking it easy with Tsukyomi Zetsu or even Itachi would have said something. Nothing was said. Stop trying to downplay Sasuke's achievement in having enough strength to actually break out of Tsukyomi. Which by the way was foreshadowed since Itachi debuted.

Yes, He underestimated sasuke. due to his own arrogance right?

Yes, he underestimated Sasuke because he thought that Sasuke needed MS to take on Itachi's Tsukyomi. That doesn't mean that Itachi used a so called weaker version of Tsukyomi that many here are spewing out with absolute no base in any kind of facts.

 

[InfIchi]

It's not when you're still getting held down and about to get your other eye taken out.

except he wasn't still getting held down at first, he pushed him away with his wing, A counter attack, Itachi countered that later by getting sasuke from behind.

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Of course he was. Itachi was trying to prove a point that without Magenkyou Sharingan that Sasuke still had a gap to fill in when it came to their eyes. Itachi was just doing the same shit when he used Tsukyomi on Kakashi because Kakashi didn't have their blood and to 12 year old Sasuke to show that he still wasn't ready. Sasuke proved Itachi wrong by breaking it which in turn made Itachi use his Amaretsu.

again this was all Itachi's own arrogance and cockyness.

when he used Tsukiyomi on kakashi he had put kakashi under 72 hours of being stabbed in the guy on hundreds of bodies.

he forced Sasuke to relive the single most traumatizing moment of his life for 24 hrs.

These are on a different level of Torture and mental attack then what he did in this fight. he took it easy. He was being Arrogant and wanted to show sasuke what will happen because sasuke wasn't prepared. He used this as a taunt rather then a true torture or mental attack.

You do realize that he wasn't just talking, but also having his clone get a hold of Sasuke, right? Plus, it's not like it's taking 1 minute to do it. All that shit happened in like 5-6 seconds. I thought it was established that Zetsu was more of Kishimoto's "voice". If Itachi was taking it easy with Tsukyomi Zetsu or even Itachi would have said something. Nothing was said. Stop trying to downplay Sasuke's achievement in having enough strength to actually break out of Tsukyomi. Which by the way was foreshadowed since Itachi debuted.

he grabbed sasuke's eye, then he talked for about 2-3 pages, then sasuke pushed him away with his wing, then he talked more, then the clone grabbed him, then he slowly walked towards sasuke hand out.


I'm not downplaying the achievement, im saying that itachi wasn't taking the tsuki that damned serious and was using it as a taunt. Its impressive that sasuke broke it, It would have been impressive if he was able to walk after it.

you can say that is "Down playing it" but i never said it was "No big deal" and that "ANYONE can break tsuki"

Yes, he underestimated Sasuke because he thought that Sasuke needed MS to take on Itachi's Tsukyomi. That doesn't mean that Itachi used a so called weaker version of Tsukyomi that many here are spewing out with absolute no base in any kind of facts.

Which again, is all due to his own ego and arrogance.

Just compare all the previous uses of Tsuki to this one, you can tell it was a taunt not a true attack. in that sense the power used to attack sasuke was much less then he had used before.

 

[CrystalCypher]

again this was all Itachi's own arrogance and cockyness.

when he used Tsukiyomi on kakashi he had put kakashi under 72 hours of being stabbed in the guy on hundreds of bodies.

he forced Sasuke to relive the single most traumatizing moment of his life for 24 hrs.

These are on a different level of Torture and mental attack then what he did in this fight. he took it easy. He was being Arrogant and wanted to show sasuke what will happen because sasuke wasn't prepared. He used this as a taunt rather then a true torture or mental attack.

Just compare all the previous uses of Tsuki to this one, you can tell it was a taunt not a true attack. in that sense the power used to attack sasuke was much less then he had used before

Ugh, the reason why Itachi did that much damage to Sasuke and Kakashi was because they were helpless and they couldn't break out of it. It's like being a rapist and seeing a woman unconscious at a party because she took to many tequila shots. She's gonna get raped. On the other hand, Sasuke after noticing that it was a Tsukyomi was able to break out of it before Itachi did more damage. Who knows what Itachi would have done after taking the other eye. For all we know, Itachi would have said "You are now in my Tsukyomi Sasuke. You should have gained Magenkyou Sharingan" than made Sasuke's eyes reappear and than do again and again for like 10 days until Sasuke's spirit was broken down and Sasuke died. Where Itachi would have taken his eyes. That didn't happen because Sasuke broke out of Tsukyomi.

he grabbed sasuke's eye, then he talked for about 2-3 pages, then sasuke pushed him away with his wing, then he talked more, then the clone grabbed him, then he slowly walked towards sasuke hand out.

Like you said, because he was cocky and arrogant and he thought that since Sasuke was already in the Tsukyomi that Sasuke was pretty much done. Read above.

 

[Tasmanian Tiger]

Kishi was his downfall

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[InfIchi]

Ugh, the reason why Itachi did that much damage to Sasuke and Kakashi was because they were helpless and they couldn't break out of it. It's like being a rapist and seeing a woman unconscious at a party because she took to many tequila shots. She's gonna get raped. On the other hand, Sasuke after noticing that it was a Tsukyomi was able to break out of it before Itachi did more damage. Who knows what Itachi would have done after taking the other eye. For all we know, Itachi would have said "You are now in my Tsukyomi Sasuke. You should have gained Magenkyou Sharingan" than made Sasuke's eyes reappear and than do again and again for like 10 days until Sasuke's spirit was broken down and Sasuke died. Where Itachi would have taken his eyes. That didn't happen because Sasuke broke out of Tsukyomi.

he took his time with it, and used that time to taunt sasuke and flaunt his power, Telling sasuke he can't win because he doesn't have the MS.

He didn't take the attack all that seriously and didn't seem to be going for any major damage on sasuke.

You can sasuke he didn't get to that because sasuke broke out, however everything shows that itachi was taking this time to taunt sasuke. "I told you, you can not beat me without MS." "This is the difference in our eyes and our power." Etc. etc.

Like you said, because he was cocky and arrogant and he thought that since Sasuke was already in the Tsukyomi that Sasuke was pretty much done. Read above.

which only goes to prove that itachi was his own downfall and the entire argument you and i just had was completely pointless.

 

[CrystalCypher]

he took his time with it, and used that time to taunt sasuke and flaunt his power, Telling sasuke he can't win because he doesn't have the MS.

You can sasuke he didn't get to that because sasuke broke out, however everything shows that itachi was taking this time to taunt sasuke. "I told you, you can not beat me without MS." "This is the difference in our eyes and our power." Etc. etc.

True.

He didn't take the attack all that seriously and didn't seem to be going for any major damage on sasuke.

Again, I would disagree here. Getting your eye plucked out isn't something to be considered "not major damage". It is major damage.

which only goes to prove that itachi was his own downfall and the entire argument you and i just had was completely pointless.

Oh, I agree that Itachi's downfall in the end was the fact that he was arrogant and cocky in that Sasuke wouldn't be able to counter Tsukyomi or even Amaretsu. I was just arguing that Itachi was taking it seriously on his attacks. It's just that Sasuke surprised Itachi and countered them.(besides Susanoo) I also agree that this argument is pointless so let's just believe whatever we want to believe and be done with it. I really don't care.

 

[Dark Ascendant]

Honestly, what's the problem?

Itachi thought Sasuke would be a pushover because he didn't have the MS. He assumed that Sasuke couldn't do anything about Tsukuyomi. He was wrong. Sasuke knew what it was and prepared himself. Next, Itachi used Amaterasu. Sasuke didn't know what that was and had to improvise. And by the time Itachi used Susano, he was exhausted.

Even if Orochimaru didn't show up, Itachi was still going to die from exhaustion anyway. He underestimated his little brother. End of story.

 

[InfIchi]

Again, I would disagree here. Getting your eye plucked out isn't something to be considered "not major damage". It is major damage.

i would argue that when compared to the trauma of seeing your entire clan murdered for 24 hrs twice and being stabbed for 3 days straight in the gut x100-1000 would be alot worse.

Oh, I agree that Itachi's downfall in the end was the fact that he was arrogant and cocky in that Sasuke wouldn't be able to counter Tsukyomi or even Amaretsu. I was just arguing that Itachi was taking it seriously on his attacks. It's just that Sasuke surprised Itachi and countered them.(besides Susanoo) I also agree that this argument is pointless so let's just believe whatever we want to believe and be done with it. I really don't care.

Well it was an interesting way to waste a few hrs eh?

 

[HedKandi]

Let?s not jump to conclusions- there?s still a lot of things about itachi we don?t know yet (or look suspicious at best). The whole situation is too shady to analyze.

 

[lucid dream]

the only reason itachi lost is because he stood around acting fabulous, and bragging, instead of rushing at sasuke and getting the damn eyes (once he activated susano-o since he had to know it was a time limit til his death)

Haha, Itachi acting fabulous until the very end.

I agree to an extent. I would agree completely, but we're not sure exactly what killed him yet.

Itachi's ego may have played a role though. Every villain does this shit, it almost amuses me, as it happens in pretty much most stories. Isn't it strange that Itachi would want to stand around talking, even making it a point that he'd take his time, if he knew that he was reaching his limit? There is either more to this than we know or it's just arrogant/retarded villain syndrome.

The truth is though, the MS was his downfall from the very beginning. He got corrupted by it's power and I believe he grew to rely on it too much despite it's severe consequences. He also banked too much on being able to get Sasuke's eyes. Even though Sasuke could get powerful, and side effects of using MS would weaken Itachi mid battle after he used MS jutsus(he never considered any one of his MS jutsus could fail, another ego/MS overconfidence mistake).
It's a little surprising, actually. I never even thought the implied blindness would play a big role. And then not only that, but apparently MS gives you tuberculosis/AIDS/whatever as well.

which only goes to prove that itachi was his own downfall and the entire argument you and i just had was completely pointless.

lol
I find this to be the case with most arguements on NarutoForums.

 

[Major]

Let?s not jump to conclusions- there?s still a lot of things about itachi we don?t know yet (or look suspicious at best). The whole situation is too shady to analyze.

I agree with you on the shady business but even if Itachi wasn't after Sasuke's eyes like he claimed, and was in reality only testing his capabilities, he still lost.

 

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His heartthrob feeling fail him, he tank a lot of attacks and think that he's so tough