What did Oro teach Sasuke?

[Aegon Targaryen]

Directly and indirectly?

Under Oro's tutelage, Sasuke became a Genjutsu powerhouse when he never used Genjutsu at all in his fights. He also became a skilled swordsman and continued to blossom in terms of Ninjutsu, even mastering shape manipulation and combining it with nature manipulation, as well as snake summons, and so on. Even in BoS, Sasuke is shown asking Oro for help learning new techniques.

I don't remember how much of a hand Oro had in Sasuke mastering Kirin.

 

[Aegon Targaryen]

@Symmetry @deltaniner @Capa13 @Blu-ray @ObitoOfTheOrangeMask @Code

 

[Azula]

He taught Sasuke Kirin, that's for sure.

 

[Capa13]

He likely taught him all about the potential of the sharingan considering he spent decades doing research on the Uchiha and taught him how to better utilize his newly awakened 3T. He also did experiments on his body which gave him poison resistance like his own body had as well as other big perks. He probably assisted him in the development of his chidori (like how Kakashi assisted Naruto with further working on his rasengan) like how to use it more effectively. Lastly, he definitely taught him all the snake based jutsu he knew and granted him access to all the knowledge on jutsu and his experiments which would be why Sasuke went from pretty smart, to basically knowing nearly everything at the time.

 

[Djomla]

Everything.

 

[deltaniner]

-Snake based jutsu
-Snake contract (He wouldn't have gotten it without Oro, so I think it counts)
-Kenjutsu
-Advanced nature techniques and manipulation
-Advanced shape manipulation

Basically impossible to say how much of a hand he had in developing Kirin. All we can actually say for certain is that he knew of its existence and at least had an idea of how powerful it is, but nothing more is concrete.

 

[Capa13]

Everything.

Not Kirin, or chidori, or precog, or basic usage of his Sharingan, or shuriken jutsu, etc. There’s a lot of shit he didn’t teach him.

 

[Capa13]

-Snake based jutsu
-Snake contract (He wouldn't have gotten it without Oro, so I think it counts)
-Kenjutsu
-Advanced nature techniques and manipulation
-Advanced shape manipulation

Basically impossible to say how much of a hand he had in developing Kirin. All we can actually say for certain is that he knew of its existence and at least had an idea of how powerful it is, but nothing more is concrete.

This exactly.

 

[Azula]

-Snake based jutsu
-Snake contract (He wouldn't have gotten it without Oro, so I think it counts)
-Kenjutsu
-Advanced nature techniques and manipulation
-Advanced shape manipulation

Basically impossible to say how much of a hand he had in developing Kirin. All we can actually say for certain is that he knew of its existence and at least had an idea of how powerful it is, but nothing more is concrete.

Why would Sasuke not take help in developing his trump card? What would be the point of going to Orochimaru then?

It's like going to eat at a restaurant and not eating the main course.

 

[deltaniner]

Why would Sasuke not take help in developing his trump card? What would be the point of going to Orochimaru then?

Sasuke didn't even have the concept or idea of Kirin when he went to Orochimaru. He had three years to come up with and develop it.

It's like going to eat at a restaurant and not eating the main course.

When you're going to a restaurant, odds are you have an idea of what the main course is. Sasuke was going to Orochimaru for power in general, not specific help with a specific jutsu.

 

[Casval Rem Aznable]

He gave Sasuke the snek

 

[Symmetry]

Poison resistance is entirely from Orochimaru

Snake based techs, Manda etc are also directly from Orochimaru

Sasuke became a sword master despite having never even touched one in P1, and we know Orochimaru is a proficient sword used to the point where he has his own mythical sword. So swordsmanship is entirely Orochimaru as well

Orochimaru knew of kirin but that doesn’t mean he helped, though he didn’t know about eiso which makes me think what he does know about he somewhat had a hand in.

Genjutsu is unknown. Orochimaru has a 5 in genjutsu but DB stats are garbage. He was going to Kai out of Itachi’s genjutsu and it would have worked which is proven by Itachi cutting off his arm to stop that, and Orochiamru was unaffected by Sasuke’s genjutsu, so one can assume Orochimaru helped there as well

Like you said Sasuke even in bos was still asking Orochimaru for more and Sasuke said even in the WA there are still things only Orochimaru can do, so the fact that even then Orochimaru still had a level of ninjutsu mastery that maintained relevancy in the face of Sasuke at that point tells us a lot of what Sasuke is can probably be attributed to Orochimaru

 

[Azula]

Sasuke didn't even have the concept or idea of Kirin when he went to Orochimaru

True, Orochimaru himself came up with the concept of Kirin.

When you're going to a restaurant, odds are you have an idea of what the main course is. Sasuke was going to Orochimaru for power in general, not specific help with a specific jutsu.

When you go to the restaurant you will eat what the chef prepares not start cooking yourself.

 

[t0xeus]

He didn’t know that Sasuke can shape his Chidori

So Chidori variants are self-learned

Kirin probably too then? Since its far more complex than that

Actually Oro might have not taught Sasuke anything directly, he just gave him a perfect environment for Sasuke to flourish - infinite amount of fodders to fight with, Kabuto’s and Oro’s input on anything theoretical, drugs for faster growth etc.

 

[deltaniner]

True, Orochimaru himself came up with the concept of Kirin.

According to what? Do you have any evidence for this besides your headcanon?

When you go to the restaurant you will eat what the chef prepares not start cooking yourself.

When you go to a restaurant, you're not normally going to also work there for three years. Sasuke did.

 

[Ashi]

It’s not shown to us cause their student master relationship was portrayed from an angle of manipulation and not mentorship

This is subverted when Sasuke betrays him ofc

 

[MHA massive fan]

He didn’t know that Sasuke can shape his Chidori

So Chidori variants are self-learned

Kirin probably too then? Since its far more complex than that

Actually Oro might have not taught Sasuke anything directly, he just gave him a perfect environment for Sasuke to flourish - infinite amount of fodders to fight with, Kabuto’s and Oro’s input on anything theoretical, drugs for faster growth etc.

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[wooly Eullerex]

Kirin
hideout destruction trap
flame kawarimi
mascara

 

[Six Paths Scaling]

as well as snake summons

is it confirmed Oro taught him this

 

[Leaf Hurricane]

Sneky snek jutsu

 

[Aegon Targaryen]

is it confirmed Oro taught him this

Occam's razor would say so, yes.

 

[Six Paths Scaling]

Occam's razor would say so, yes.

hmmm. i dont really need to shave, so i dont know why he'd offer me his razor. tell him i appreciate the offer though

 

[Aegon Targaryen]

hmmm. i dont really need to shave, so i dont know why he'd offer me his razor. tell him i appreciate the offer though

Nice try.

 

[DanzoWasRight]

Orochimaru is very knowledgeable, even though he doesn’t master Sharingan related Genjutsu or Kirin, he has enough theoretical knowledge to ask Sasuke performing some techniques.

It’s like a scientist who ask to a athlet to do something that himself can’t perform but theoretically he knows that it will succeed through the athlet.

Orochimaru worked on the Sharingan and knows basically how work Genjutsu so even though he can’t use Sharingan related Genjutsu he can ask Sasuke « Ok Sasuke do this and let’s see », same thing for others techniques that Orochimaru can’t perform himself but he knows it would work through Sasuke like Kirin.

This is how Sasuke might have learned / created these techniques.

 

[Aegon Targaryen]

Orochimaru is very knowledgeable, even though he doesn’t master Sharingan related Genjutsu or Kirin, he has enough theoretical knowledge to ask Sasuke performing some techniques.

It’s like a scientist who ask to a athlet to do something that himself can’t perform but theoretically he knows that it will succeed through the athlet.

Orochimaru worked on the Sharingan and knows basically how work Genjutsu so even though he can’t use Sharingan related Genjutsu he can ask Sasuke « Ok Sasuke do this and let’s see », same thing for others techniques that Orochimaru can’t perform himself but he knows it would work through Sasuke like Kirin.

This is how Sasuke might have learned / created these techniques.

Agreed. Good stuff!

 

[Danisor]

Oro didn't teach Sauce Kirin.

Chidori variants, Kirin, that's Sauce's own genius.

Poison resistance, snake stuff, that's Oro's area of expertise.

Sauce helped the most in his own growth, Orochimaru provided the environment.

 

[Sonic]

He taught Sasuke how to study the blade.

 

[aiyanah]

how to job for itachi.

 

[Blu-ray]

Certain things like Kenjutsu and the summoning technique need no explanation cause those are Orochimaru's specialty, and considering it's Orochimaru it's pretty safe to assume he helped Sasuke hone and master his Sharingan to the degree he did as well. Likely the same for the cursed seal.

For the most part though it seemed like Orochimaru just gave Sasuke the foundation Sasuke needed and Sasuke developed from there, similar to how Kakashi taught Naruto wind release but Naruto was the one who developed the Rasenshuriken.

He obviously taught Sasuke a bunch of techniques as well directly, but I'm pretty sure those are in the same limbo as Kakashi's 990 unseen ninjutsu.

 

[Charmed]

Advanced nature techniques and manipulation
-Advanced shape manipulation

He didnt teach him these, iirc, when Sasuke attacked Oro with a Chidori spear, Oro was surprised and didnt recognize the technique.

OT, Orochimaru taught Sasuke Snake related jutsu, summoning jutsu and fuinjutsu such as the lne he uses to summon shurikens for his shuriken jutsu.
He prolly taught him some kenjutsu amongs other basic shinobi stuff.
He also, apparently, used drugs on Sasuke during his trainings to make him stronger and faster.

That's what Orochimaru taught Sasuke.