Vizard Squad vs. Espada (No.1-10)

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if the 10 strongest Vizard were going against top ten Arrancar who would win?

I guess u can include Aizen in this battle since he is for the Espada.

i vote Vizard cuz not only uber hollow, but chance to have a bankai.

Ichigo doesn't count because he only last 11 seconds.
 
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Espada easily, Shinji is likely one of the strongest Vizards among them and he was only fighting against Grimmjow unreleased so that doesn't bode well for their overall strength, the odds of them knowing bankai are slim to none due to the rarity of Bankai it's not like everyone strong has it, plus you included Aizen so he hypnotises them and fucks around with their sense, distracting them until they all get killed.
 
Okay, let's remove Aizen from the equation. He stomps anyone he's matched up against, so that instantly decided this when you typed it. Add Ichigo in because he can go longer than 11 seconds now. We're assuming all Vizards have Shikai. We're assuming, Shinji and two other Vizards have Bankai, it's a nice number. Ichigo is added to this.

8 Vizard vs 10 Espada. Four Bankai, Four Shikai, Eight Hollows masks vs Ten Ressureccion.

The stats:

~Vizard~

Full Power Ichigo > Full Power Grimmjow

For the sake of raw numbers, we're going to assume at this point Ichigo = Nnoi, as he was already severely injured when he fought Nnoi before.

Full Power Shinji > Full Power Grimmjow

Shinji dominated one-armed Grimmjow with his mask alone. By this we'd guess Shinji roughly equals/surpasses Grimmjow with both arms. By that, Shinji Shikai/Bankai should be able to surpass Grimmjow Released.

Shinji's smart, he could easily use Ichigo's raw power by directing him. Bankai/Vizard Shinji and Ichigo working as a team should be able to overcome Ulqi, but that would remove them from the equation as well.

Those are the only two Vizard we can easily analyse, so let's go on to Espada.

~Espada~

Pre-Vizard Bankai Ichigo > Unreleased Yammy. Badly.

Through that, we can assume any Shikai Vizard could take out Released Yammy. Removing them both from the equation.

Same logic says Arranneio's gone.

Szyael is hard to peg down. Only a ranged fighter would be efficient against him, and that's guaranteeing he hasn't done prep. If the Vizards have a Ranged fighter who is only Shikai, that one and Szyael remove each other as well. If Szyael's done research and prep, there's gonna be hell to pay, it'll take an efficient team to bring him down. For the sake of numbers, we're assuming Szyael has no prep.

Zomari acting intelligently is dangerous to ANY fighter. The only way to beat a smart Zomari would be if you could focus enough Reiatsu to blow off his Amor or spam the wall Kidou like Byakuya. Hacchi and Zomari remove each other.

Grimmjow is taken down by a Bankai Vizard.

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Let's do the maths here.

We had four Shikai Vizard, one of which we assumed to be Hacchi. They took out Espada's 10, 9, 8 and 7.

We had four Bankai Vizard, one of which beat Grimmjow. Ichigo, Shinji and the remaining
Bankai Vizard team-crush Nnoi, but that removes the Bankai Vizard. Ichigo and Shinji escape mostly unharmed and bring down Ulqui, but that takes them out too.
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Therefore, our current eight Vizard have taken out Espada's 4-10. The top three VL Espada stomp. Aizen doesn't even need to lift a finger.

Major powerups are going to be needed to deal with high grade VL Espada.

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This scenario is based on the fact that the Espada and Vizard don't work as a team. The odds on the Vizard teamwork being superior to Espada teamwork are high, but the results of a team battle are hard to gauge.
 
The Vizard are pathetic and overrated... They couldn't stand against Vizard Ichigo who was having a hard time with some Espada. Only Shinji is worth anything here, unless the others have something more to show in the future.
 
I think lower tier vizard are stronger than lower tier espada but the leader of vizards is around #3's level imo so the top tier , being more experienced should be what really gets the vizard.

Though we still need to see a vizard fight properly
 
Ichimaru Gin's <3er said:
if the 10 strongest Vizard were going against top ten Arrancar who would win?

I guess u can include Aizen in this battle since he is for the Espada.

i vote Vizard cuz not only uber hollow, but chance to have a bankai.

Ichigo doesn't count because he only last 11 seconds.
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with me in, it won't be a battle. it's just rape.
 
Ok ur forgetting Hiyori... She easily is stronger than Ichigo as well. Don't forget how long most of the Vizard could go on longer than ichigo.. i mean the amount of strength taken to last that long in a hollow form is to me pretty powerful.. I would like you guys to reconsider because i don't know what makes you people think that Shinji and Ichigo are the only ones that could do anything. Hiyori and Shinji can alone take on 4+. Then just imagine the other 9 Vizard or so. I find it an out numbered match and then just taking the rest of the Espada on is a little overkill.

Does anyone remember when they were trying to fight off the Hollow form of Ichigo and for what I could remember they barely needed to go into their hollow form, and when Ichigo was training he was in Bankai form so the Vizard are obviously way stronger than ichigo so that would be a very hard competition with the 1-4 Espada.

Cyborg Superman said:
I think lower tier vizard are stronger than lower tier espada but the leader of vizards is around #3's level imo so the top tier , being more experienced should be what really gets the vizard.

Though we still need to see a vizard fight properly
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True it's just that if they can train Ichigo they are stronger than him.. and since Ichigo is equal to Nniotra. it's gonna be a good match it's a tiny overkill to me.
 
Ooter said:
Espadas take this.
4-10espadas VS shinjis vizard and we couldev had an debate.
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Pretty much what I said.

So the real question is, how does each group work in teams, because that would be the deciding factor. The Bankai Vizards could pick off low level Espada easily, but could they do that while fighting high level Espada at the same time?

How would a team battle play out.
 
is Shinji known to be the strongest? I mean they didn't say that he was right?
 
It'd be interesting if he wasn't, but the only Vizards we've seen in action (Ichigo excluded) are Shinji, Hiyroi, Lisa and Kensei. We've had minor sightings of Hacchi. Love can withstand an Ichigo cero with his mask. Rose and Mashiro are unknowns.

Lisa was worn down by Hollow Ichigo, but she did not release or don her mask. Kensei released and fought evenly. Hiyroi mask < Ichigo mask (Shirosaki control though, and he's a lot more effective). Hacchi's not a fighting type. Shinji mask > one handed Grimmjow normal.

That's about all we have so far.
 
I disagree with Hiyori weaker than Ichigo. She kept calling him a fricken dumbass and she was provoking him out of his asshole, she is obviously stronger than him since he kept getting out of his hollow form, and she was fuckin with him like mad. I hardly believe that she is stronger than ichigo even in his Bankai form with his mask on. To be a fair match imo for Hiyori vs. Ichigo is when Ichigo has a Vizard form without bankai, and hiyori isn't in hollow form at all. So think it over twice about the Hiyori vs. Ichigo fight.

There are probably 3 #4 Espada lvl people who are Vizard, and probably 4-7 #4 or #5 Espada lvl who are Vizard. So Vizard wins imo.
 
Hiyori is just a over confident loudmouth. She was going to piss her pants when Ichigo's hollow came out. No one knows who the strongest Vaizard is but most assume its Shinji because he is the leader. Another issue with the Vaizards is we tend to assume they all have bankai and what not, when really we have no idea if they do. I mean maybe a few do but then again maybe a few don't.

Its a lot of assumptions but I think at best Shinji is better then number 5 when he goes all out, but not as good as 4 and up. Ulq wasn't concerned at all with him when he came to pick up Grim.
 
I mean considering that Ulq had to use a little more power when he was against Ichigo means that the other people in Vizard would do better or equally as Ulq... Thanks x54 for someone finally agreeing w/ me....
 
Ichigo has less control, but it's been pretty well stated that he has the most raw Reiatsu, or near to the most (Kenpachi :gar) in Bleach.

Getsuga Tenshou is a technique that basically fires out all the reiatsu he can put into it.

He drained pretty much his entire 11 second mask into that big hit on Ulqui.

Shinji and most of the Vizards can outskill Ichigo, but his raw power is still greater.
 
I have a feeling that that big Vaizard guy in the green is pretty damn hax, hes basically Orihime with more control over his powers, and a master of Sealing kido and barriers. That mixed together with a hollow mask and a zanpakuto calls for one powerful person.
 
I think Hacchi said himself that he wasn't a fighting type. I think his skill is in barriers and kidou, and his sword is secondary.
 
lol at so many people saying Espada.

Guys, even SS captains win over Espada now. :pek

Anyways, it's only a matter of time before Kubo decides to show true strength of Vaizards (if they're good) or hype them up (if they're bad) and people will be crying how hax they are, either way. It's an interesting process actually.
 
I hope they can manage Vizard in even if the SS have no affiliations with them :D
 
Geez the captains are raping the lower Espada so the Vizards won't have much of a problem with them. I see them beating the Espada in an all out fight. :wink
 
Kamina said:
Vizards own the Espada, take the grimmjow and shinji fight for example.
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Trias said:
lol at so many people saying Espada.

Guys, even SS captains win over Espada now. :pek

Anyways, it's only a matter of time before Kubo decides to show true strength of Vaizards (if they're good) or hype them up (if they're bad) and people will be crying how hax they are, either way. It's an interesting process actually.
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the fact that shinji needed his mask to take on one-armed grimmjow isn't really impressive.

captains winning over the espadas is a natural thing considering that the weaker captains would've made serious improvements over the timeskip and the strong ones are just still too damn strong.
 
Taurus Versant said:
Okay, let's remove Aizen from the equation. He stomps anyone he's matched up against, so that instantly decided this when you typed it. Add Ichigo in because he can go longer than 11 seconds now. We're assuming all Vizards have Shikai. We're assuming, Shinji and two other Vizards have Bankai, it's a nice number. Ichigo is added to this.

8 Vizard vs 10 Espada. Four Bankai, Four Shikai, Eight Hollows masks vs Ten Ressureccion.

The stats:

~Vizard~

Full Power Ichigo > Full Power Grimmjow

For the sake of raw numbers, we're going to assume at this point Ichigo = Nnoi, as he was already severely injured when he fought Nnoi before.

Full Power Shinji > Full Power Grimmjow

Shinji dominated one-armed Grimmjow with his mask alone. By this we'd guess Shinji roughly equals/surpasses Grimmjow with both arms. By that, Shinji Shikai/Bankai should be able to surpass Grimmjow Released.

Shinji's smart, he could easily use Ichigo's raw power by directing him. Bankai/Vizard Shinji and Ichigo working as a team should be able to overcome Ulqi, but that would remove them from the equation as well.

Those are the only two Vizard we can easily analyse, so let's go on to Espada.

~Espada~

Pre-Vizard Bankai Ichigo > Unreleased Yammy. Badly.

Through that, we can assume any Shikai Vizard could take out Released Yammy. Removing them both from the equation.

Same logic says Arranneio's gone.

Szyael is hard to peg down. Only a ranged fighter would be efficient against him, and that's guaranteeing he hasn't done prep. If the Vizards have a Ranged fighter who is only Shikai, that one and Szyael remove each other as well. If Szyael's done research and prep, there's gonna be hell to pay, it'll take an efficient team to bring him down. For the sake of numbers, we're assuming Szyael has no prep.

Zomari acting intelligently is dangerous to ANY fighter. The only way to beat a smart Zomari would be if you could focus enough Reiatsu to blow off his Amor or spam the wall Kidou like Byakuya. Hacchi and Zomari remove each other.

Grimmjow is taken down by a Bankai Vizard.

~~~

Let's do the maths here.

We had four Shikai Vizard, one of which we assumed to be Hacchi. They took out Espada's 10, 9, 8 and 7.

We had four Bankai Vizard, one of which beat Grimmjow. Ichigo, Shinji and the remaining
Bankai Vizard team-crush Nnoi, but that removes the Bankai Vizard. Ichigo and Shinji escape mostly unharmed and bring down Ulqui, but that takes them out too.
~~~

Therefore, our current eight Vizard have taken out Espada's 4-10. The top three VL Espada stomp. Aizen doesn't even need to lift a finger.

Major powerups are going to be needed to deal with high grade VL Espada.

~~~

This scenario is based on the fact that the Espada and Vizard don't work as a team. The odds on the Vizard teamwork being superior to Espada teamwork are high, but the results of a team battle are hard to gauge.
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I would like to officially retract this statement of mine. I'll make a new detailed post later, but I apologies for underestimating the Vizards. My bad, peeps.
 
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