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Tsunade Senju vs 4th Raikage (A4)

Shazam

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Mei’s hand signs scale nowhere. So ig relative to Raikage?

Mei is a kage. Who most consider around mid tier. She is also a primary ninjutsu casting shinobi. Meaning what makes her mid tier kage level is her ability to get off ninjutsu.

The fact that Tsunade can cover a few dozen meters before she can finish her hand seals is actually quite meaningful.
 

sy6up

Arise!!
Mei is a kage
I don’t care if she’s a Kage, she’s still ass.
Who most consider around mid tier. She is also a primary ninjutsu casting shinobi. Meaning what makes her mid tier kage level is her ability to get off ninjutsu.
But arguable the weakest Hokage can put speed her?
The fact that Tsunade can cover a few dozen meters before she can finish her hand seals is actually quite meaningful.
where did you get a few dozen meters from?
 

wooly Eullerex

i just don't know anymore...
Raikage electro'stuns tsunade as he ddt's her into a crater
Then, while her bonesu r realigning, he rai'ton Gian s her deeper into it and finishes w' the attack he used on gyūki
 
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Impulse785

Well-Known Member
It could go either way Raikage has much superior speed

While Tsunade has regen and great durability

Tsunade or Raikage can win high/extreme difficulty
 
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Yoshibottter

Juudai Hokage
A4 is faster than Tsunade and even though Tsunade is strong A4 can hurt her. A4 wins via Lightning Cloak. If Creation Rebirth is on she wins however because she will just regen damage easy.
 

Nali

Active Member
I don't know why people think raikage can kill her when she tanked a yasaka magatama head on as if it were nothing.

blitzing someone who can regenerate from any damage is useless in itself, indeed it could prove counterproductive.
 

Yoshibottter

Juudai Hokage
I don't know why people think raikage can kill her when she tanked a yasaka magatama head on as if it were nothing.

blitzing someone who can regenerate from any damage is useless in itself, indeed it could prove counterproductive.
It depends if Creation Rebirth is activated before A4 can blitz her head off. If its Creation Rebirth Tsunade vs Lightning Cloak A4. If Creation Rebirth is activated before match Tsunade wins. If Creation Rebirth is not activated than she fails. Creation Rebirth Tsunade tanked a Susanoo sword. It can tank A4's punches in Creation Rebirth easily.
 

DaVizWiz

Well-Known Member
Not much Tsunade can do.

Can’t regenerate a head especially considering the seal responsible for her healing is there which also gets destroyed.

Even while moving toward Ei at high speed and arm guarding KCM Naruto couldn’t prevent being pinballed back at high velocity by only V1 A. V2 A smacks Tsunade around pretty easily.

She’s far less likely to survive what was considered lethal to KCM Naruto, who is considerably more durable than Tsunade tanking the likes of lava punches and successive V2 claws/coral palm with superficial wounds. Tsunade being notably wounded by every attack that touched her isn’t an indication she can withstand the power of his full speed punch hyped to kill KCM Naruto or Bijuu shredding lightning chop.
 
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MHA massive fan

Well-Known Member
Unless Tsunade can survive losing getting beheaded and then somehow grow it back, I'd back up A.
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The only argument a Sannin fan could use is 5 clones failed to behead her

though that’s more symptomatic of Madara wanting to simply break down her will to carry on than outright kill her

i would say anything other than A4 going for beheading would result in him loosing
 

SakuraLover16

Sakura + Sasuke = Sarada
To be fair even Ay thought it was more likely that she would tire out instead of being outright killed. On top of this she did Survive being catapulted by Mabui's jutsu in base. Plus Ay doesn't insta activate his shroud which gives her plenty of time to activate Byakugou.
 

FlamingRain

Living Legend
Moderator
To be fair even Ay thought it was more likely that she would tire out instead of being outright killed. On top of this she did Survive being catapulted by Mabui's jutsu in base. Plus Ay doesn't insta activate his shroud which gives her plenty of time to activate Byakugou.

The Susano'o squad knew about Tsunade's regeneration just like Ay did and Ay literally has no method of delivering damage the Susano'o squad did not also have. If Ay saw Tsunade taking attacks from them and only worried about her tiring herself out he will similarly conclude that tiring her out is all he can do (and we should too).
 

SakuraLover16

Sakura + Sasuke = Sarada
The Susano'o squad knew about Tsunade's regeneration just like Ay did and Ay literally has no method of delivering damage the Susano'o squad did not also have. If Ay saw Tsunade taking attacks from them and only worried about her tiring herself out he will similarly conclude that tiring her out is all he can do.
I wholeheartedly agree. Not to mention Tsunade's Byakugou strikes were able to shatter Madara's Susanoo ribcage while even something like Naruto's Cho Odama rasengan left hardly a mark. This means damaging him would be likely hardly an issue. Overpowering her is also out of the question and sticking a hand through her likely ends in his severe injury or death since he would effectively losing his chance to escape. Ay didn't say as long as she protects her head she won't die he just said even if you can't die you can still tire basically. So whatever he saw during that time probably lead him to that statement. All of Ay's moves pretty much leave him in punching range and against many other people it would be great but not against someone who can overpower him, take a lot of punishment, heal from anything he could dish out, and hurt him without difficulty. Her lack of severe injury against something like a point blank magatama says lots about her durability and healing.
 

MHA massive fan

Well-Known Member
I wholeheartedly agree. Not to mention Tsunade's Byakugou strikes were able to shatter Madara's Susanoo ribcage while even something like Naruto's Cho Odama rasengan left hardly a mark. This means damaging him would be likely hardly an issue. Overpowering her is also out of the question and sticking a hand through her likely ends in his severe injury or death since he would effectively losing his chance to escape. Ay didn't say as long as she protects her head she won't die he just said even if you can't die you can still tire basically. So whatever he saw during that time probably lead him to that statement. All of Ay's moves pretty much leave him in punching range and against many other people it would be great but not against someone who can overpower him, take a lot of punishment, heal from anything he could dish out, and hurt him without difficulty. Her lack of severe injury against something like a point blank magatama says lots about her durability and healing.
Some holes in the logic though
1. A4 will never attempt to overpower her . He is keenly aware she is stronger
2. Susanoo were trading blows with Tsunade because they can’t die and was no risk to damage to them at all. Madara opting for stabs that he already knows she can heal from proves that

3. It also implies since A4 was the only one who got caught in genjutsu that the others somehow have a defence against it . Despite A4 being the only one who actually thought his speed made it unlikely from him to be caught . Clearly another indication Madara was doing more of will breaking than out right going to kill them . The very fact that he opts to use susanoo and only susanoo once again shows this . As moukton to suppress chakra or outer path rods would have been far more effective at stopping Tsunade
 

FlamingRain

Living Legend
Moderator
Madara’s clones tried to turn Mei into a meat skewer and Ay into a pincushion yet people insist they weren’t trying to kill the Kage.

As if ally deaths don't work as a tool to break someone's will. :tiredpepe
 

Nali

Active Member
To be fair even Ay thought it was more likely that she would tire out instead of being outright killed. On top of this she did Survive being catapulted by Mabui's jutsu in base. Plus Ay doesn't insta activate his shroud which gives her plenty of time to activate Byakugou.
that's right, people don't believe that she can't die in any way when she uses that technique
 

Troyse22

Shuts down the Sannin camp
Onoki and the five Kage "It's not 5 to 1, it's 25 to 5, we'll guard each other's backs and coordinate our attacks"

We then go on to see them do that

Then the hamfisted ape Sannin squad come in and are like "HAHA 5 TO 1 AGAINST FULL KI PS WIELDING MADARA GO BRR"
 

Troyse22

Shuts down the Sannin camp
Kisame has the best non god tier Regen in the manga per feats, and better durability feats than Tsunade.

Watch how fast these same people who say Tsunade won't die to A4 also say that Kisame gets one shotted and vaporized.
 

Nali

Active Member
Some holes in the logic though
1. A4 will never attempt to overpower her . He is keenly aware she is stronger
2. Susanoo were trading blows with Tsunade because they can’t die and was no risk to damage to them at all. Madara opting for stabs that he already knows she can heal from proves that

3. It also implies since A4 was the only one who got caught in genjutsu that the others somehow have a defence against it . Despite A4 being the only one who actually thought his speed made it unlikely from him to be caught . Clearly another indication Madara was doing more of will breaking than out right going to kill them . The very fact that he opts to use susanoo and only susanoo once again shows this . As moukton to suppress chakra or outer path rods would have been far more effective at stopping Tsunade
stop the fraud. madara himself declares in a loud voice that he would have killed tsunade as the granddaughter of hashirama and in fact he hits her several times lethally and yet always fails
 

Nali

Active Member
Kisame has the best non god tier Regen in the manga per feats, and better durability feats than Tsunade.

Watch how fast these same people who say Tsunade won't die to A4 also say that Kisame gets one shotted and vaporized.
yet in the databook kishimoto points out that the tsunade's regenerating technique is "the ultimate regeneration technique"
 
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