Trump rescinds Obama policy protecting oceans

GrimaH

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Trump rescinds Obama policy protecting oceans
By Timothy Cama - 06/20/18 10:47 AM EDT 407

President Trump is repealing a controversial executive order drafted by former President Obama that was meant to protect the Great Lakes and the oceans bordering the United States.

In his own executive order signed late Tuesday, Trump put a new emphasis on industries that use the oceans, particularly oil and natural gas drilling, while also mentioning environmental stewardship.

“Ocean industries employ millions of Americans and support a strong national economy,” the new order states, mentioning energy production, the military, freight transportation and other industries.

“This order maintains and enhances these and other benefits to the Nation through improved public access to marine data and information, efficient interagency coordination on ocean-related matters, and engagement with marine industries, the science and technology community, and other ocean stakeholders,” it states.

The order encourages more drilling and other industrial uses of the oceans and Great Lakes.

The order stands in contrast to Obama’s policy, which focused heavily on conservation and climate change. His policy was written in 2010, shortly after the deadly BP Deepwater Horizon offshore drilling explosion and 87-day oil spill.

“America's stewardship of the ocean, our coasts, and the Great Lakes is intrinsically linked to environmental sustainability, human health and well-being, national prosperity, adaptation to climate and other environmental changes, social justice, international diplomacy, and national and homeland security,” Obama's order stated.

It established a federal council with the responsibility to oversee various programs and decisions that could impact the oceans or Great Lakes.

That angered Republicans and industry, who are cheering Trump’s rescission.

“Today’s announcement of President Trump repealing and replacing the bureaucratic, overreaching policy created under the previous administration puts our country’s ocean policy back on the right track,” said Rep. Rob Bishop (R-Utah), chairman of the House Natural Resources Committee.

“President Trump’s action will help the health of our oceans and ensure local communities impacted by ocean policy have a seat at the table.”

The National Ocean Industries Association, which represents companies involving in offshore drilling and offshore wind, said Obama’s policy “caused consternation, uncertainty and concern for the offshore energy industry and other ocean stakeholders.”

“This renewed broad vision will hopefully encourage productive partnerships, recognizing a wide variety of ocean uses, all leading to increased economic, environmental and energy security for America through job creation, economic activity, and energy development,” Randall Luthi, the group’s president, said in a statement.

Conservation groups slammed Trump’s move, saying it puts the nation’s waterways at risk.

“With the action today eliminating the National Ocean Policy, President Trump is trying to wash his hands of responsibility for the real and urgent threats facing America’s coastal communities — namely, the impacts of climate change,” said Christy Goldfuss, senior vice president for energy and environment at the Center for American Progress.

“In the absence of a president who is willing to lead, it is now more important than ever that coastal governors, tribal leaders, state legislatures, and local communities take up the mantle of leadership and work together to defend and restore the health of America’s oceans.”
 

Benedict Cumberzatch

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No, don't be dramatic about this. "That angered Republicans and industry, who are cheering Trump’s rescission." What we're seeing is Republicans get their way, and everyone is learning just how destructive, ignorant, and heartless their policies are. This isn't just a Trump thing; this is the awful party known as Republicans.
 

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Should I flip a coin to see which president is just dreaming and which one is keeping it real?

@baconbits Your input in this thread would be very much appreciated.

Meanwhile, the application of this policy will decrease the unemployment even lower than it is right now, which is sitting at around 3.8 percent.

It may be a hard pill to swallow for some of the people here, but maybe the US really needs the oil and natural gas that they are able to get right now, instead of relying on foreign oil so much.
 
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No, don't be dramatic about this. "That angered Republicans and industry, who are cheering Trump’s rescission." What we're seeing is Republicans get their way, and everyone is learning just how destructive, ignorant, and heartless their policies are. This isn't just a Trump thing; this is the awful party known as Republicans.
It's just really frustrating. People don't stop and think about what the oceans and beaches might look like if we keep polluting them.

 

Roman

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It may be a hard pill to swallow for some of the people here, but maybe the US really needs the oil and natural gas that they are able to get right now, instead of relying on foreign oil so much.

This doesn't justify sacrificing the environment. The govt should find alternative ways to produce energy or even optimize production of renewable sources. That would also boost employment and put the US in an even more advantageous position in the energy market.
 

Pliskin

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Trump v. Captain Planet. Bloodlusted in the forest of death, opposing starting points, no intel on each other's jutsu.

Go!
 

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The govt should find alternative ways to produce energy or even optimize production of renewable sources.
Alternative ways could be found when it comes to the production of energy, but there are other factors at play, like America's current reliance on oil/gas + big oil companies and whatever other companies are reliant on oil/gas that are supporting Trump at this point.

I'm pretty sure that Trump really isn't going to change his stance on this, to be honest, unless alternative energy sources make it big or something.

But the biggest problem here is, what would actually happen to America's economy if they started to slow down on the reliance on oil and gas?
 

wibisana

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Oil price is still under 80/bbls
Relatively high but i dont think it warrant new well that would lower the price again.

Security/enviromental speaking, corrosion control for undersea pipeline is way more expensive than land buried (above ground is cheapest)

Because underground pipeline only need 20mA/m² (for uncoated steel pipe)
While undersea need about 70-400mA/m². (At least 4time more expensive) (DNV and NACE standard)

So to save money oil company could be cheating and use less than they have to.

And we will got leaks
 

Nemesis

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Another case of.

Trump: Has this anything to do with Obama

Trump Cabinate: Yes this was one of his policies

Trump: Then we must destroy it. Because he said mean things to me one time.
 

WorkingMoogle

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Another case of.

Trump: Has this anything to do with Obama

Trump Cabinate: Yes this was one of his policies

Trump: Then we must destroy it. Because he said mean things to me one time.
Hmm... Idea.

Someone should point out to Trump that Obama did not resign 2 years into his presidency, which is something that many Republicans find to be Obama's biggest failure as a president.
 

Nemesis

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Hmm... Idea.

Someone should point out to Trump that Obama did not resign 2 years into his presidency, which is something that many Republicans find to be Obama's biggest failure as a president.

Unfortunately Trump is in reality just a symptom. Now that he's president it confirmed what many republicans were saying. Romney and McCaine were not extreme enough. Especially with republicans in both houses doubling down on their retoric, turning a blind eye to Trump unless they're planning to retire either this year or in 2020.

They know they don't need majority of voters now. Just right voters in right location even if only 40% of country will vote them.
 

wibisana

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Unfortunately Trump is in reality just a symptom. Now that he's president it confirmed what many republicans were saying. Romney and McCaine were not extreme enough. Especially with republicans in both houses doubling down on their retoric, turning a blind eye to Trump unless they're planning to retire either this year or in 2020.

They know they don't need majority of voters now. Just right voters in right location even if only 40% of country will vote them.
Only about 27% people vote Trump and 27% vote Hillary
 
With the Koch brothers in his pocket, Trump is very unlikely to start givng a damn about alternative energy, like ever.

You do know the Koch brothers are running counter ads on television AGAISNT Trump right now, right? They don't like his new trade tariffs. Trump is making the big 1% pay for a lot of shit since they keep finding loopholes to not pay taxes.
 

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Hmm... Idea.

Someone should point out to Trump that Obama did not resign 2 years into his presidency, which is something that many Republicans find to be Obama's biggest failure as a president.
I mean, the majority of the democrats + people of color had high hopes for Obama when he became president. I think that in secret, they were really disappointed that Obama's actions in the white house kinda let them down.
 

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You do know the Koch brothers are running counter ads on television AGAISNT Trump right now, right? They don't like his new trade tariffs. Trump is making the big 1% pay for a lot of shit since they keep finding loopholes to not pay taxes.
Is there a specific, pragmatic reason as to why they are not paying taxes, or are these guys just a bit stingy about it?
 

RemChu

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Should I flip a coin to see which president is just dreaming and which one is keeping it real?

@baconbits Your input in this thread would be very much appreciated.

Meanwhile, the application of this policy will decrease the unemployment even lower than it is right now, which is sitting at around 3.8 percent.

It may be a hard pill to swallow for some of the people here, but maybe the US really needs the oil and natural gas that they are able to get right now, instead of relying on foreign oil so much.
Spoken like a true corporate shill. Enjoy that boost to the economy while facing mass extinction.
 

shieldbounce

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He feels like he's trying too hard to play both sides while at the same time not taking a side. It's kinda jarring.
Not feeling like immediately taking a side without actually trying to understand the reasons for the things that are happening as they are, that's all.
 

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Big corporations just find loopholes to pay the least amount of money. Wouldn't you?
That is what they would most likely do, from their perspective. Is it beneficial to America as an overall whole? Not really sure.

But then, who knows where all of the taxes that we pay go to anyways. Are they used to fund construction of new infastructure, research, science and whatnot, or...
 

Mider T

Apples and Bananers
Why, why would he do this? No one can be this insane.

I really regret voting for Jill Stein
It's not really a surprise. I don't understand why people are surprised about pretty much anything he does, he wasn't hiding anything while campaigning. The only thing that has really been a shocker is when he vetoed the Obamacare repeal.
 
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