Tobirama is WAY BETTER than you think.

Onyx Emperor

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Weakened (Edo) Tobirama put his bare hands on JJ Obito at 3 different times
major gigachad btw, imagine putting to shame a dude who's pOrTrAyEd (openly laughing at idiots who wank on portrayal LOLOLOLOLO) to be better than you
but not only that, the dude who's been pOrTrAyEd to be better than you uses an amplifying mode (km1) and they still FUCKING SUCK to you.
virgin Minato vs chad Tobirama.
@New Folder go ahead defend Minato's trash performance compared to Tobirama.
 
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DanzoWasRight

Darkness of Konoha
Tobirama is slightly stronger than Minato, because he reached his prime while Minato didn't. Minato would have surpassed Tobirama if he lived longer. (he would have perfected his rasengan, his sage mode, and maybe created / learned another techniques).

But yeah, Tobirama was a beast, Tobirama is one of the strongest High Kage tier shinobi, just below Hashirama and Madara. He was stated alongside Hashirama with the title of "Ultimate shinobi" / "Best shinobi".



Some translation adds also the fact that Tobirama was the strongest ninja of his era, after Hashirama's and Madara's death, so stronger than Mu and Gengetsu, but also Young Hiruzen and the Young Third Raikage.

In the Anime ep.267, when the 2nd Tsuchikage told to the 2nd Mizukage that they should talk to Tobirama (he thought he was the one who summoned them), the 2nd Mizukage had this reaction of fear :





The thing is that we never got the opportunity to see Tobirama using Hiraishin with Shadow clones, I am sure it would OP. Also his Tandem Paper Bomb tactic with reanimated people. (Hiruzen himself had a reaction of apprehension when Tobirama used this tactic, and Hashirama himself warned the shinobi alliance to be careful, meaning it was something really dangerous and powerful).
Also the way Tobirama blitz tagg people with paper bombs is deadly, in his era, no one was faster than him according to Madara's own words, so he could blitz tagg anybody without losing half of his body.

Tobirama was a badass, he is the only Hokage that would make Danzo losing his shit, he wouldn't even try to moving one toe knowing that Tobirama would outmaneuver him, while Hashirama, Minato and Hiruzen despite the fact they were stronger than himself, were naive and kind so Danzo could do shady things behind them.
 
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maximon

Well-Known Member
Tobirama for me is more of an antidote to the Uchiha threat of his time. outside of that, a polarizing inventor and political figure.
Had it not been for him slashing Izuna, I would have thought of him as more of a deliveryman for lack of better words. He was of tremendous help against Obito, but his role was to support, teleporting people around, not to inflict damages.
In other appearances, his actual offense was rather underwhelming. He got no diff by Madara and outperformed at Cqc by hiruzen.
I've never thought of him as more powerful than the Third and most certainly not as a very very high Kage.
 

DanzoWasRight

Darkness of Konoha
Tobirama for me is more of an antidote to the Uchiha threat of his time. outside of that, a polarizing inventor and political figure.
Had it not been for him slashing Izuna, I would have thought of him as more of a deliveryman for lack of better words. He was of tremendous help against Obito, but his role was to support, teleporting people around, not to inflict damages.
In other appearances, his actual offense was rather underwhelming. He got no diff by Madara and outperformed at Cqc by hiruzen.
I've never thought of him as more powerful than the Third and most certainly not as a very very high Kage.
Tobirama is a support shinobi, it's right, an excellent support.

He got no diffed by Madara amped with Hashirama's cells, Hashirama's Sage Mode and Rinnegan. It's not anti feat knowing how powerful is Madara. If it was EMS Madara in the same context, Tobirama would have injured him with Flying Raijin Slice.

He was never outperformed by Hiruzen, the fandom has a big misconception about this scene, Hiruzen could save Naruto because he was close at the right moment, while Tobirama was far away from Naruto and his chakra signature declined more and more so it was harder for Tobirama to find Naruto's exact location in the branches.

About Tobirama VS Prime Hiruzen, the real question is can Hiruzen counter Hiraishin ? If so, he can beat Tobirama, if not, Tobirama stomps him.
 

Architect

A Minato stan from Minatostan
@Architect check this out, remember Arekku? defending Minato? now make fun of him.
Badly. I remember the guy formatted his threads well and I think he liked to merge pictures. Maybe also had Muu on his avatar. Or maybe that was Xerox. But that's all. So, he wanked Minato?
Who are you btw?
 

Yagami Uchiha

Well-Known Member
First of all, Minato’s not a virgin, he has one of the hottest girls in Narutoverse. But yeah, Tobirama is stronger than Minato. He has more techniques and he’s more experienced in combat. Minato’s better with FTG though.
 

DanzoWasRight

Darkness of Konoha
Orochimaru having Tobirama in a cuckhold will never not be delicious





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Tobirama could undone the jutsu just by doing the breaking handsign, in this scene he thought he could undone Edo Tensei just by flexing his chakra but it didn't work because he discovered Orochimaru's Edo Tensei is amped with Hashirama's cells, then because of Hashirama's pressure he accepted his attempt to calm down Sasuke with words rather than killing him.

But if despite Hashirama's talking no jutsu, Sasuke still wanted to destroy the leaf, Tobirama would have undone the jutsu and alongside Hashirama and the other hokage, they would have slaughtered Orochimaru and his minions.

 

Mithos

The Chosen
No, Tobirama is extremely overrated. And responses in this thread claiming he’s stronger than Minato are proof of that. Tobirama’s claim to fame was his abnormally fast Body Flicker (fastest of his generation) and his invention of Flying Thunder God and Impure World Resurrection. Well, he admitted inferiority to Minato in both regards, and was especially outperformed in terms of Flying Thunder God which Minato had elevated to a much more sophisticated level. He was surpassed in terms of Impure World Resurrection by even Part 1 Orochimaru pre-Hashirama cells.

Then, through multiple statements it’s clear that Hiruzen had surpassed him. Several statements both in the manga and the Databooks told us Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage. This was retconned when it came to Hashirama, and an in-universe explanation was given for this change to the story. However, notably there was no such explanation given for Tobirama: the author could have simply said “no one believed the legends of the Senju Brothers,” but he did not. We also have Hiruzen in a flashback claiming to be the strongest in the presence of Tobirama, as well as Databook IV telling us Hiruzen had surpassed Tobirama in talent. Hiruzen also outperformed Tobirama against the God Tree, figured out Juubito’s Truth Seekers better with his analysis, and did better against the Mini Buddha than Tobirama could have done.

It’s clear that both Minato and Hiruzen are stronger than Tobirama, yet somehow he’s so often placed above both. His misinterpreted “feats” as support against Juubito are used as an excuse to deny canon information constantly. In the NBD, even the strongest Kage-level ninja can never hit him — even if it’s 2 or 3 vs. 1 — “because Juubito,” yet we know that he was hit (and even killed) by many opponents far slower than Juubito.

He’s a strong Kage-level ninja — stronger than most to be sure — but he’s not the Top Tier fighter the NBD often makes him out to be.
 
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