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The following get hit with Kaido and Big Mom's "Hakai" attack

MYJC

Cunning Linguist
The same attack that Zoro took, except they don't have Law to teleport them. They are able to block as best they can using haki/abilities.

Jinbei
Jozu
Doflamingo
Katakuri
Marco
Blackbeard (Yami)
Aokiji
Sengoku
Garp (Current)
Whitebeard (Start of Marineford)


Who's able to get back up, who get's KO'd, and who dies?
 

Zoro

Omae wa mou...shindeiru
Jinbei dead
Jozu dead
Doflamingo dead
Katakuri dead
Marco probably burns half his stamina in one go at least
Blackbeard (Yami) dead
Aokiji heavily injuried
Sengoku heavily injuried
Garp (Current) heavily injuried
Whitebeard (Start of Marineford) heavily injuried
 

Strobacaxi

Well Known Member
Jinbei Dead
Jozu Dead
Doflamingo dead
Katakuri dead
Marco regenerates is fine
Blackbeard (Yami) dead
Aokiji Can block it, is seriously injured can barely keep fighting
Sengoku Same as Aokiji
Garp (Current) Same as Aokiji
Whitebeard (Start of Marineford) Same as above

Prime WB might be able to kinda match it and only get blown back or thrown down without serious injuries. Same goes for Prime Garp
 

Corax

Well-Known Member
Jinbei dead
Jozu dead
Doflamingo dead
Katakuri dead
Marco should be fine.(but a few of them might overload his stamina eventually,since he can't full body regen many times).
Blackbeard (Yami) dead
Aokiji heavily injuried
Sengoku heavily injuried
Garp (Current) heavily injuried
Whitebeard (Start of Marineford) heavily injuried
 

Eustathios

Well-Known Member
Doflamingo, Jinbei, Yami Teach, and Katakuri die
This. Jozu depends on how strong his diamond is. If it's on par with seastone as implied, he survives too. WB can probably just match it or weaken the shockwave significantly with his quakes if he has no allies to worry about.
 

Mihawk

The Quiet Storm
I mean, I know the OP states they are only able to block with Haki or DF.

But theoretically, can’t Doffy just spider-man web sling out of harm’s way? :oldshrug he’d probably still take a ton of damage but that’s his best course of action.
 

Perrin

Very Well-Known Member
I mean, I know the OP states they are only able to block with Haki or DF.

But theoretically, can’t Doffy just spider-man web sling out of harm’s way? :oldshrug he’d probably still take a ton of damage but that’s his best course of action.
Surely blocking with CoA behind his string clone behind a spiderweb behind his awakening needles.
 

MYJC

Cunning Linguist
I mean, I know the OP states they are only able to block with Haki or DF.

But theoretically, can’t Doffy just spider-man web sling out of harm’s way? :oldshrug he’d probably still take a ton of damage but that’s his best course of action.

Well I mean, maybe, but it kind of defeats the purpose of the thread if characters can just avoid the attack.
 

Eustathios

Well-Known Member
Marco dies. Garp's punch made him chicken dance.
The magnitude of injury is irrelevant to his fruit. He will regenerate as long as he has stamina. Kizaru's attack disintegrated him.
Sengoku repelling an attack of that magnitude is not supported by feats, he dies
He can weaken the shockwaves enough to survive. Though yes, we don't have durability feats from him but I'll give the benefit of the doubt to a mythical Zoan.
 

Duhul10

Troll killer
The level of injury is irrelevant to his fruit. He will regenerate as long as he has stamina. Kizaru's attack disintegrated him.

He can weaken the shockwaves enough to survive. Though yes, we don't have durability feats from him but I'll give the benefit of the doubt to a mythical Zoan.
Bolded isn't true. That would mean Marco is an unstoppable force for a limited period of time. The level of injury matters to him. He was basically f*cked when he was grabbed by Momma, fact admitted by Marco himself. Garp's punch was also felt by him. There is no proof he can regenerate from an attack of that level. No selling some laser attacks doesn't prove much.
 

Eustathios

Well-Known Member
Bolded isn't true. That would mean Marco is an unstoppable force for a limited period of time. The level of injury matters to him. He was basically f*cked when he was grabbed by Momma, fact admitted by Marco himself. Garp's punch was also felt by him. There is no proof he can regenerate from an attack of that level. No selling some laser attacks doesn't prove much.
The attack does not matter. His body was destroyed. Hakai will do the same thing and he will be back. Marco was casually talking to Zoro with a spear through his head. Stamina is the only limiting factor.
 

cry77

Dont rustle my Jimmies.
Regeneration is different from durability. Marco does not have to output similar power to the attack since first of all it is an AoE attack, meaning most of the force wont even hit him, and secondly his body will probably be destroyed by less than the full force anyways making most of Haki wasted energy. Marco only needs to regenerate the DAMAGE HE TAKES, he does not need to match it point for point.

Look at it this way:

1. Marco has 100HP
2. Hakai does 200 Damage
3. Marco still only needs to restore 100HP
4. The remaining 100 damage is wasted.

Hakai is an explosive attack, it does not cause continous damage. And going by Sengokus order to "just keep shooting him" it kinda implies that continous damage drains his regen more so than a single burst of power.

A flamethrower version of Boro Breath that lasts for multiple seconds is probably a bigger threat than a single explosive move like Hakai.

Marco regens and is relative fine although a bit tired.
I believe Jozu can survive it as well (Zoro was already fucked up when he got hit and he not only survived but could also counter-attack. No way fucked up Zoro has better defensive power than Jozu).

Hakai is overrated really, it is probably better at dealing with groups of enemies than a single one since it, once again, is a heavy AoE attack with the majority of the force not even being focused on the single target.
 

demonkiller123

Active Member
Jinbei Dead
Jozu Dead
Doflamingo dead
Katakuri dead
Marco regenerates is fine
Blackbeard (Yami) dead
Aokiji Can block it, is seriously injured can barely keep fighting
Sengoku Same as Aokiji
Garp (Current) Same as Aokiji
Whitebeard (Start of Marineford) Same as above

Prime WB might be able to kinda match it and only get blown back or thrown down without serious injuries. Same goes for Prime Garp
Marco doesn’t have infinite regeneration.
 

demonkiller123

Active Member
Regeneration is different from durability. Marco does not have to output similar power to the attack since first of all it is an AoE attack, meaning most of the force wont even hit him, and secondly his body will probably be destroyed by less than the full force anyways making most of Haki wasted energy. Marco only needs to regenerate the DAMAGE HE TAKES, he does not need to match it point for point.

Look at it this way:

1. Marco has 100HP
2. Hakai does 200 Damage
3. Marco still only needs to restore 100HP
4. The remaining 100 damage is wasted.

Hakai is an explosive attack, it does not cause continous damage. And going by Sengokus order to "just keep shooting him" it kinda implies that continous damage drains his regen more so than a single burst of power.

A flamethrower version of Boro Breath that lasts for multiple seconds is probably a bigger threat than a single explosive move like Hakai.

Marco regens and is relative fine although a bit tired.
I believe Jozu can survive it as well (Zoro was already fucked up when he got hit and he not only survived but could also counter-attack. No way fucked up Zoro has better defensive power than Jozu).

Hakai is overrated really, it is probably better at dealing with groups of enemies than a single one since it, once again, is a heavy AoE attack with the majority of the force not even being focused on the single target.
Garp knocked him down with one punch and odds are he used haki to do it.

The Hakai attack either kills or heavily KO’s Marco.
 

Ezekjuninor

The Conqueror
Dead:
Jinbei
Jozu
Doflamingo
Katakuri
Blackbeard (Yami)


Alive but severely injured:
Aokiji
Sengoku
Garp (Current)
Whitebeard (Start of Marineford)

Marco could survive relatively fine but depends how his regen would interact with the attack.
 

nmwn93

Well-Known Member
Jinbei rip boss

Jozu ha. cadaver.

Doflamingo. cadaver-rific

Katakuri - should be able to avoid buut if hit dead

Marco Heavy injured but should heal

Blackbeard (Yami) dies

Aokiji JUST FINE. he'd likely phase through it. he took an earth quake from wb close range. got right up. i just dont see this attack being so life ending for these next few. they are cut from a completely different cloth than a lot of folks previously mentioned.

Sengoku : FINE. he is a giant GOLD BUDDAH who when having to hold back (in marineford) when he fought bb's crew. he could match the gurra gurras quakes with his shock wave sengoku should be able to deflect waaaaay more than zoro and these fledglings did.

Garp (Current) Garp should be fine yes even now. as he should have retained just as much if not ,ore of his power than whitebeard would have of he weren't sick and stiil in good shape. garp at his old age of 79 should be able to take this attack without heavy injuries.

Whitebeard (Start of Marineford) his shockwaves should coeme in handy but he;ll be fine ish like when akainu blew the second hole in his tummy


Who's able to get back up, who get's KO'd, and who dies?
 

cry77

Dont rustle my Jimmies.
Garp knocked him down with one punch and odds are he used haki to do it.

The Hakai attack either kills or heavily KO’s Marco.
dude, regeneration does not stop push-back. Garp knocked him on his ass yes, and so what? Marco was fine afterwards and had enough juice left in the tank to regenerate his wounds by kizaru TWICE (once before seastone and once after) and charge headfirst into a bloodlusted Akainu, once again without suffering permanent or serious injury all the while physically stopping him in his tracks.

Why do people always overhype the Garp feat? What exactly is it you think he did to Marco other than simply knocking him on his ass away from the scaffold?
 

Mihawk

The Quiet Storm
Why do people always overhype the Garp feat? What exactly is it you think he did to Marco other than simply knocking him on his ass away from the scaffold?

I've been wondering this myself for a while now. I mean, it was definitely a good look for Gap considering he did little else in the War. It was a demonstration of authority and he did show his superiority to Marco. However, Marco legitimately shrugged it off..
 

Mihawk

The Quiet Storm
Marco and Jozu in particular, have outstanding defensive feats because well...that's literally what they specialise at. There aren't many other fighters in the verse with comparable defensive ability. Only the Admirals and Yonko perhaps.

Jozu casually tanked a large scale slash by Mihawk intended to gauge Whitebeard, while Marco easily took Kizaru's "go for the kill" YKM barrage with a smile. Marco was literally torn apart by the laser barrage and still put himself back together.

Hakai is overrated. Not to say these guys won't take significant damage, but I honestly think an attack like Three Worlds: Ragnarok may inflict more punishment on them at point blank range.
 

Eustathios

Well-Known Member
Hakai is overrated. Not to say these guys won't take significant damage, but I honestly think an attack like Three Worlds: Ragnarok may inflict more punishment on them at point blank range.
Yes, it was a finisher move but it was meant to take out all of the RT5. It was an AoE attack. The difference is the same as with Akainu's Meigou or Dai Funka compared to his meteor shower attack. All the meteors combined are probably more powerful in terms of output but they are spread out. The first two are concentrated attacks.
 

Mihawk

The Quiet Storm
Yes, it was a finisher move but it was meant to take out all of the RT5. It was an AoE attack. The difference is the same as with Akainu's Meigou or Dai Funka compared to his meteor shower attack. All the meteors combined are probably more powerful in terms of output but they are spread out. The first two are concentrated attacks.
Yup and that's why I think Ragnarok would bring the pain more. I mean, even for an attack with impressive AoE, Hakai did not hit any of the Supernovas after Law teleported them...I would imagine the strongest combined AoE attack by a Yonko (if that is indeed what Hakai is) would still have the capability of dealing damage to the Supernovas regardless of Law's evasive abilities.

But then, a couple of TBs in Hybrid pretty much ragdolled Zoro and Law. I think a similar result would happen if Jozu and Marco were in the fight. As tough as diamond is; with CoC and Hybrid strength, Kaido could probably smack diamond-coated Jozu like a baseball. Marco would be pretty messed up too.

Hakai on the other hand...considering the type of AoE attacks that these guys have already been able to shrug off, I just don't see it killing them.
 

Dunno

Well-Known Member
Marco and Jozu in particular, have outstanding defensive feats because well...that's literally what they specialise at. There aren't many other fighters in the verse with comparable defensive ability. Only the Admirals and Yonko perhaps.

Jozu casually tanked a large scale slash by Mihawk intended to gauge Whitebeard, while Marco easily took Kizaru's "go for the kill" YKM barrage with a smile. Marco was literally torn apart by the laser barrage and still put himself back together.

Hakai is overrated. Not to say these guys won't take significant damage, but I honestly think an attack like Three Worlds: Ragnarok may inflict more punishment on them at point blank range.
Hakai was used by Kaido and Big Mom together in order to kill all of the SN, and they were surprised that it didn't suceed. When Ragnarok failed to kill Luffy, Kaido wasn't surprised in the slightest. Hakai is on a whole other level than Kaido's other attacks.

Do you think Luffy would have gotten up after a minute if he would have tried to stop Hakai with his forehead without Law to teleport him out? In that case, why didn't Luffy just block Hakai no problem instead of letting Zoro handle it?
 
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