The Admiral=Yonkou Debate is Officially Over

ShWanks

Well-Known Member
But more canon than the opinions of NF posters :mjgrin
I've always said this.

Shanks effortlessly defeated Kizaru & actually made "Mr.He's Trolling" sweat. Fujitora was ready to go till Shanks flexed.

By DEFAULT, Yonko scale > Akainu cuz he's not THIS much stronger than Admirals while Shanks is regarded as weakest Yonko before Buggy.
 

Bouki

Well-Known Member
Kizaru smiling and doing his trolling as he always does. Fujitora specifies that he doesn’t want to involve the civilians in a war with a yonko crew.
Regardless, movie made to generate money is a great source of material to use for arguments.

:conspiracy
 

Santoryu

Judge of The Judges/ On a break
Nope, they're the same level of canon: Not.


IMO it is clear someone like Shanks is stronger than Kizaru.

What does shanks have that Kizaru did not?

There is no passion!!!!!
There is no aggression!!!!!
What the hell is wrong with these admirals????
Get out of Navy HQ now!!!!
Just need to retire!!!!!!!
 

Ushiromiya Battler

Well-Known Member
IMO it is clear someone like Shanks is stronger than Kizaru.

What does shanks have that Kizaru did not?

There is no passion!!!!!
There is no aggression!!!!!
What the hell is wrong with these admirals????
Get out of Navy HQ now!!!!
Just need to retire!!!!!!!
This is what happens if you don't get paid enough for OT.
 

Mad Scientist

Bad Scientist
No wonder they're called the "Admiral Band".
Reminds me of another band which also had 3 glorified idols.

:tupac

Any of the following moments should have shut down what should never have been a debate:

> A retired old white-haired 1st mate went toe-to-toe with Kizaru who was later held at gun-point by another 1st mate
> A different old white-haired man, injured and way past his prime, rag-dolled probably the strongest admiral and died standing
> A 1-armed man casually blocked probably the strongest admiral's direct punch with the flat end of a blade after holding back Kaido

Never mind all three together. And that's not even mentioning obvious portrayal indicators...

:apathy

Back in the day, weren't people even debating 2-3 admirals vs an old WB? lol.
 

Eustathios

Well-Known Member
No wonder they're called the "Admiral Band".
Reminds me of another band which also had 3 glorified idols.

:tupac

Any of the following moments should have shut down what should never have been a debate:

> A retired old white-haired 1st mate went toe-to-toe with Kizaru who was later held at gun-point by another 1st mate
> A different old white-haired man, injured and way past his prime, rag-dolled probably the strongest admiral and died standing
> A 1-armed man casually blocked probably the strongest admiral's direct punch with the flat end of a blade after holding back Kaido

Never mind all three together. And that's not even mentioning obvious portrayal indicators...

:apathy

Back in the day, weren't people even debating 2-3 admirals vs an old WB? lol.
Back in the day some people were going with Admirals ~ Marco, due to a misunderstood Databook statement. Good thing the community grew out of that phase though.
 

Sablés

Well-Known Member
Canon or not, it's clear that the GB vs Shanks confrontation was side-by-side to promote the movie, so it's a valid estimation of how Shanks compares to the admirals. Besides, admirals have never been disgraced like this until now even in non-canon works. Japan isn't as anal about canon as we are. What message does it send in a story that Oda supervised, to the point that he demanded that Luffy and the others be main characters, that Shanks can pressure Kizaru in 18 seconds?
 
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Mawt

Well-Known Member
Admirals are just like the Sannin. Long forgotten characters who possess a cult fanbase that will do anything to elevate their standing, blissfully unaware of their impending irrelevance compared to actual strong characters like the Yonko. :bury
 

ShWanks

Well-Known Member
Nah it's just that we don't take movies as canon. Otherwise pre TS Luffy should've been close to top tier lvl already since he beat Shiki.
Nah, that doesn't work. Shiki was extremely old & rusty , crippled, & tortured in Impel Down for decades when Luffy fought him. He could easily just have lost majority of his strength like Chinjao to the point Lao G could fodderize him.
 

Santoryu

Judge of The Judges/ On a break
For what it's worth, I do think Akainu will get some boost (if he hasn't already) given his role in the story.

But the Admiral Band are fond of wholesale ranking and they have yet to break away from utopia.


Allow me to make a prediction:
Soon the Akainu Fans will be clearly distinguishing themselves from 'Admirals' in general in order to save face.
The time is coming.
 

GrizzlyClaws

Big Bad Grizzly
Yes, that ship has sailed.

Most of us saw it coming long ago.

You can be a pansy about it and stick your fingers in the ears to waive away the portrayal Admirals got against a Yonko in the movie like it doesn't matter, eventhough Oda himself worked on the movie too, but you can never, ever, under any circumstance, waive away the same portrayal an Admiral got against the same Yonko in the manga itself, while also downright admitting inferiority to another Yonko.

Admirals are not meant to be peers to the Yonkos, they never were, and it's disheartening to see some of you tricked yourselves into still buying this after everything.

Let the ship sail my friends, and let's fill the OL with joy and laughter together, much in the spirit of One Piece and the journey to Laugh Tale, and no ill will towards each other.
 

Mawt

Well-Known Member
It seems all Admirals resort to is underhanded tactics. Sniping YCs while they’re distracted, bullying weakened and recovering YCs, tricking Yonko underlings into stabbing them and weakening them, and then running away with their tails between their legs when a Yonko challenges them to a fair battle.

It seems Admirals are just losers and frauds playing a role of justice that they can’t back up :kanyeshrug
 
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