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SS2 Vegeta (Pre Majin) vs SS2 Gohan (Buu Saga/Pre Z Sword training) and Dabura

Juub

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This will devolve into something about Gohan being SSJ2 and Dabura being Perfect Cell tier or Super Perfect Cell tier.
 
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Hmmm, I'd say either side can take it.

Sure Pre-Majin SSJ2 Vegeta is stronger than Teen SSJ2 Gohan(World Tournament), but with the help of Dabura, it balances things out a little.

Though if I had to choose, I'd say Vegeta High Diffs. Since if just focuses on disposing of Dabura first, he will have an easier time against Gohan.

However, there is also the chance Gohan can get a Rage Boost and return to Cell Games SSJ2 levels, but I imagine the OP isn't accounting for that.

If he did get a Rage Boost, Gohan could solo High Diff. And here is the evidence for it...



Vegeta acknowledged that Goku and himself were stronger than Gohan now, but that may not be the case if he gets angry.
 

Plague

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Whats the different? Its nothing to this vegeta
That's not true.

Gohan alone isn't that much weaker than Pre-Majin SSJ2 Vegeta.
It wasn't until after he went Majin that we was stronger than Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan.

Rusty SSJ2 Gohan should still be within 20% of Pre-Majin Vegeta's PL.

Goku and Piccolo took down Raditz who was much higher than they were.
Saying Vegeta can one-shot either of them doesn't work.

Vegeta would get overwhelmed or a blind spot would get him a fatal injury from Dabura.
 
Goku and Piccolo took down Raditz who was much higher than they were.
Saying Vegeta can one-shot either of them doesn't work.
Imo the gap between Teen SSJ2 Gohan & Pre-Majin SSJ2 Vegeta is smaller than the gap between BoZ Goku & Raditz. Definitely a lot smaller.
 

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David "Gordo" Gordon
That's not true.

Gohan alone isn't that much weaker than Pre-Majin SSJ2 Vegeta.
It wasn't until after he went Majin that we was stronger than Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan.

Rusty SSJ2 Gohan should still be within 20% of Pre-Majin Vegeta's PL.

Goku and Piccolo took down Raditz who was much higher than they were.
Saying Vegeta can one-shot either of them doesn't work.

Vegeta would get overwhelmed or a blind spot would get him a fatal injury from Dabura.
Nah, the gap was pretty noticeable

Vegeta never considered Dabura a threat, he said only his spot was dangerous. Gohan struggled with Dabura
 
20% power difference is still enough for an unholy stomp

and 20% is probably lowballing it tbh

vegeta folds them quickly
 
Wasn't it stated that Gohan was SS2 in Daizenshuu?

Also, I would personally say that Dabura was only slightly stronger than Full Power Perfect Cell. He got wrecked down in two hits by Fat Buu, similar as how SS2 Gohan (Cell Games) severly damaged Full Power Perfect Cell in two hits, sure you can say that Fat Buu was far ahead from Majin Vegeta and was in SS3 Goku's power realm, but then we see that he needed to power up against Majin Vegeta, which implies that Majin Vegeta >= Fat Buu (who fought Dabura and Gohan).

Then, there's also the fact that between SS2 Gohan (Cell Games) and SS2 Goku/Majin Vegeta it wasn't that big of a gap, as Piccolo was uncertain to define if Vegeta really have surpassed Gohan.
 

Welfare

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Wasn't it stated that Gohan was SS2 in Daizenshuu?

Also, I would personally say that Dabura was only slightly stronger than Full Power Perfect Cell. He got wrecked down in two hits by Fat Buu, similar as how SS2 Gohan (Cell Games) severly damaged Full Power Perfect Cell in two hits, sure you can say that Fat Buu was far ahead from Majin Vegeta and was in SS3 Goku's power realm, but then we see that he needed to power up against Majin Vegeta, which implies that Majin Vegeta >= Fat Buu (who fought Dabura and Gohan).

Then, there's also the fact that between SS2 Gohan (Cell Games) and SS2 Goku/Majin Vegeta it wasn't that big of a gap, as Piccolo was uncertain to define if Vegeta really have surpassed Gohan.
Manga clearly shows Gohan is only SSJ when Toriyama consistently draws SSJ2 with lightning at the same time. If the Daizenshuu says he's SSJ2 it's wrong.
 
Manga clearly shows Gohan is only SSJ when Toriyama consistently draws SSJ2 with lightning at the same time. If the Daizenshuu says he's SSJ2 it's wrong.
But, why would Goku act like Gohan was using the SS2? He explicitely mentions that if he gets enraged no one could stop him, which implies that he was using the SS2 power.
 

Welfare

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But, why would Goku act like Gohan was using the SS2? He explicitely mentions that if he gets enraged no one could stop him, which implies that he was using the SS2 power.
Gohan didn't even go SSJ2 after Goku said that. Gohan was drawn as a SSJ when fighting Buu (the same way he was drawn during the Dabura fight) at the exact same time Toriyama was drawing SSJ2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta.

Goku saying Gohan needs to get his anger back and go all out doesn't imply he was SSJ2. It means Gohan wasn't at full power/potential.
 
Gohan didn't even go SSJ2 after Goku said that. Gohan was drawn as a SSJ when fighting Buu (the same way he was drawn during the Dabura fight) at the exact same time Toriyama was drawing SSJ2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta.

Goku saying Gohan needs to get his anger back and go all out doesn't imply he was SSJ2. It means Gohan wasn't at full power/potential.
Also it doesn't make sense for Gohan to need a senzu after his fight with Dabura, since SS doesn't have the stamina weakness anymore. Vegeta literally make it seems that Dabura isn't a opponent impossible to defeat, why would he be angry because of the lack of training of Gohan (more than likely comparing his CG arc self to his current self) instead of not using his higher transformation?
 

Welfare

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Also it doesn't make sense for Gohan to need a senzu after his fight with Dabura, since SS doesn't have the stamina weakness anymore. Vegeta literally make it seems that Dabura isn't a opponent impossible to defeat, why would he be angry because of the lack of training of Gohan (more than likely comparing his CG arc self to his current self) instead of not using his higher transformation?
Gohan was huffing and puffing after a little skirmish and Dabura wasn't even sweating, that's why he needed a senzu. Gohan was pretty far behind Dabura, didn't go SSJ2 and Vegeta was crying about Gohan taking too long on someone who shouldn't be a threat. You could also take it as Vegeta saying Gohan as a SSJ should've beat a Perfect/Super Perfect Cell level fighter if he trained in the 7 years.

For whatever reason Gohan never went SSJ2 during the Dabura or Buu fight. Toriyama consciously chose to draw him as a SSJ while being 100% consistent on what SSJ2 looks like with Goku and Majin Vegeta. Perhaps Toriyama wanted Gohan to still need an anger trigger for SSJ2, even though he went SSJ2 against Kibito.
 
Gohan was huffing and puffing after a little skirmish and Dabura wasn't even sweating, that's why he needed a senzu. Gohan was pretty far behind Dabura, didn't go SSJ2 and Vegeta was crying about Gohan taking too long on someone who shouldn't be a threat. You could also take it as Vegeta saying Gohan as a SSJ should've beat a Perfect/Super Perfect Cell level fighter if he trained in the 7 years.

For whatever reason Gohan never went SSJ2 during the Dabura or Buu fight. Toriyama consciously chose to draw him as a SSJ while being 100% consistent on what SSJ2 looks like with Goku and Majin Vegeta. Perhaps Toriyama wanted Gohan to still need an anger trigger for SSJ2, even though he went SSJ2 against Kibito.
Gohan didn't even use ki blast attacks on him. Vegeta said that Gohan was stronger when he was a kid, not because he can't go higher he can't win (which it would be an implication of him only using SS).

Also, it is pretty concidential that in the fight between Gohan and Kibito, Vegeta also said that he was far better when he was a kid.

Shin told Kibito that because he was dead he doesn't know how awesome Gohan truly is despite of the fact that he already watch SS2 Gohan.

So, also Gohan was a SS against Fat Buu and Toriyama present him to mop the floor with him, despite of defeating a SS isn't that incredible as it would be defeating him in SS2? Seems legit.
 

Welfare

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Gohan didn't even use ki blast attacks on him. Vegeta said that Gohan was stronger when he was a kid, not because he can't go higher he can't win (which it would be an implication of him only using SS).

Also, it is pretty concidential that in the fight between Gohan and Kibito, Vegeta also said that he was far better when he was a kid.

Shin told Kibito that because he was dead he doesn't know how awesome Gohan truly is despite of the fact that he already watch SS2 Gohan.

So, also Gohan was a SS against Fat Buu and Toriyama present him to mop the floor with him, despite of defeating a SS isn't that incredible as it would be defeating him in SS2? Seems legit.
Gohan was written as a non serious fighter before his Ultimate power up, and where was Buu mopping Gohan considered incredible? Toriyama made it a point that Gohan was behind Goku and Vegeta. He also made it a point to draw Gohan as a regular SSJ at the same time he drew SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta.

You have yet to counter the actual appearance of SSJ Gohan being different from SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta and why Gohan alone is completely different even though you want to argue all 3 are using the same form.

Are Goten and Trunks also SSJ2? They are drawn the same as Gohan, who is drawn different to Goku and Vegeta.

Vegeta harping on Gohan about training was brought up back when they first met after Cell when Gohan was in base. It was something noticeable from the off.

The Shin point doesn't really make sense. Yeah, Gohan is the #3 confirmed fighter behind Goku and Vegeta. Shin was also completely surprised by all 3 Saiyans, not just Gohan. If anything Shin feels Gohan's potential not his current power level. That's why he wants him to use the Z Sword, which is said to *cough* give you power. Gohan's potential is noted multiple times before this.

SSJ Gohan against Dabura and Buu is legit. It just so happens that Toriyama drew Gohan as a SSJ the entire time, next to a literal SSJ2 brawl, but was somehow trying to portray him as SSJ2? That seems legit.

Actually just to end on this, Chapter 462 (268 of the Z manga), all 5 of Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, and Goten are drawn in some SSJ state. Which are using SSJ1 and which are SSJ2? Explain why for each form and character.
 
Gohan was written as a non serious fighter before his Ultimate power up, and where was Buu mopping Gohan considered incredible? Toriyama made it a point that Gohan was behind Goku and Vegeta. He also made it a point to draw Gohan as a regular SSJ at the same time he drew SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta.

You have yet to counter the actual appearance of SSJ Gohan being different from SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta and why Gohan alone is completely different even though you want to argue all 3 are using the same form.

Are Goten and Trunks also SSJ2? They are drawn the same as Gohan, who is drawn different to Goku and Vegeta.

Vegeta harping on Gohan about training was brought up back when they first met after Cell when Gohan was in base. It was something noticeable from the off.

The Shin point doesn't really make sense. Yeah, Gohan is the #3 confirmed fighter behind Goku and Vegeta. Shin was also completely surprised by all 3 Saiyans, not just Gohan. If anything Shin feels Gohan's potential not his current power level. That's why he wants him to use the Z Sword, which is said to *cough* give you power. Gohan's potential is noted multiple times before this.

SSJ Gohan against Dabura and Buu is legit. It just so happens that Toriyama drew Gohan as a SSJ the entire time, next to a literal SSJ2 brawl, but was somehow trying to portray him as SSJ2? That seems legit.

Actually just to end on this, Chapter 462 (268 of the Z manga), all 5 of Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, and Goten are drawn in some SSJ state. Which are using SSJ1 and which are SSJ2? Explain why for each form and character.
Toriyama most of the times (if not ALL the time) points that the current villain humiliates a character in its strongest form, otherwise it wouldn't make him look impressive.

You can't just ignore evidence and dialogues basing on just his appearance without presenting valid reasons that supports your argument, it goes against objectivity if you don't know that.

I guess Vegetto was a SS2 because he had electric aura, then.

I am talking about Kibito instance, really unnecesary to say when they first met after Cell. Also, Gohan was worse than expected.

Which means that he proved to be more powerful than when he encountered Kibito, but somehow that means that Gohan was SS all the time. Yeah, it's legit what you say, a legit stupidity.
 

Welfare

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Toriyama most of the times (if not ALL the time) points that the current villain humiliates a character in its strongest form, otherwise it wouldn't make him look impressive.

You can't just ignore evidence and dialogues basing on just his appearance without presenting valid reasons that supports your argument, it goes against objectivity if you don't know that.
So now art is just thrown out the window because of how you interpret dialogue in a visual medium? Gohan, Shin, and Dabura were all fodder to Buu. They were shown to literally not be impressive at all by Goku and Vegeta prior to Buu. Buu murking all three is not supposed to make him impressive, beating Vegeta into a suicide attack who is equal to Goku is.

Art is absolutely a valid reason (if not the most important) to support my stance as otherwise how do you determine who is a SSJ2? Feeling? Gohan going beyond Super Saiyan against Kibiito is signified with lightning, Goku and Vegeta fighting at the level beyond Super Saiyan is signified with lightning. Goku fought Yakon as a regular SSJ and used SSJ2 energy in a quick burst which made Vegeta note that he had passed the SSJ wall too. Was Goku fighting as a SSJ or SSJ2 the entire time because according to your logic he should be SSJ2 since Gohan fights Dabura and Buu in the same form.

You can't choose to ignore art in manga. I'd understand if Toryiama fucked up for like a panel, maybe even an entire chapter, but the entire time he draws a battle with two characters at SSJ2 he deliberately chooses to not draw Gohan at that level, the same he's been drawn since Dabura. Even narratively Goku has to remind Gohan to get angry to beat Dabura and guess what it never happens. Just because Gohan should be something doesn't mean he actually is.

I guess Vegetto was a SS2 because he had electric aura, then.

Vegito is irrelevent to this section of the manga considering he isn't drawn until an entire year later. Vegito drawn in January 1995 compared to the Dabura through Majin Vegeta's death section drawn from January 1994 through April 1994. What Toriyama considers Vegito at is not needed when we are talking about a separate section in the manga. That same section of the manga where Toriyama makes clear visually that there is a difference between SSJ and SSJ2.

I am talking about Kibito instance, really unnecesary to say when they first met after Cell. Also, Gohan was worse than expected.

Which means that he proved to be more powerful than when he encountered Kibito, but somehow that means that Gohan was SS all the time. Yeah, it's legit what you say, a legit stupidity.

Shin was amazed by all three Saiyans even after feeling SSJ2 Gohan at the tournament. Are base Vegeta and SSJ Goku more impressive than SSJ2 Gohan? Remember that he wanted to gang up on Pui Pui after seeing SSJ2 Gohan.

Also I'm glad you keep bringing up Kibito seeing SSJ2 Gohan. Tell me, does he have lightning the entire time or no? He does? So wait, Toriyama made sure to draw Gohan as a SSJ2 when he wants to, with the same visual consistency as Goku and Majin Vegeta later, but just so happens to forget it when he draws Gohan again??

You can't argue this. You have side stepped it the entire time. You keep ignoring the actual appearance of SSJ2 and instead go on with different points that don't actually argue that point. I don't know if you are actually reading the manga and seeing it but what it shows is pretty clear. Gohan is a SSJ during the Dabura and Buu fight. Otherwise you are arguing that SSJ and SSJ2 have no visual distinction and that all 5 Saiyans are in a superposition of using both SSJ or SSJ2 at this point in the manga.

Again, who is a SSJ and who is a SSJ2 in Chapter 462 (268 of the Z manga)? Go back and read this part of the manga.

Oh and this is a late edit but if Gohan was a SSJ2 during the Dabura fight why didn't Buu's meter accelerate like crazy? Goku and Vegeta throw a few punches and fill Buu immediately and Shin is shocked and Gohan goes "Oh yeah they must be fighting beyond the SSJ level".

When SSJ2 Gohan's energy gets put into Buu it fills it to near half. Chapter 255 of Z.



After the Dabura fight it only just goes past the halfway point. Chapter 262 of Z.



If Gohan was fighting as a SSJ2 the entire time why would it be some revelation that Goku and Vegeta must have been fighting as SSJ2 to have filled the meter that quickly? Gohan at SSJ2 fighting Dabura getting hurt should have been filling it at a rapid rate.
 
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Toriyama most of the times (if not ALL the time) points that the current villain humiliates a character in its strongest form, otherwise it wouldn't make him look impressive.

You can't just ignore evidence and dialogues basing on just his appearance without presenting valid reasons that supports your argument, it goes against objectivity if you don't know that.

I guess Vegetto was a SS2 because he had electric aura, then.

I am talking about Kibito instance, really unnecesary to say when they first met after Cell. Also, Gohan was worse than expected.

Which means that he exposed more power than when he encounter Kibito, but somehow that means that Gohan was SS all the time. Yeah, it

So now art is just thrown out the window because of how you interpret dialogue in a visual medium? Gohan, Shin, and Dabura were all fodder to Buu. They were shown to literally not be impressive at all by Goku and Vegeta prior to Buu. Buu murking all three is not supposed to make him impressive, beating Vegeta into a suicide attack who is equal to Goku is.

Art is absolutely a valid reason (if not the most important) to support my stance as otherwise how do you determine who is a SSJ2? Feeling? Gohan going beyond Super Saiyan against Kibiito is signified with lightning, Goku and Vegeta fighting at the level beyond Super Saiyan is signified with lightning. Goku fought Yakon as a regular SSJ and used SSJ2 energy in a quick burst which made Vegeta note that he had passed the SSJ wall too. Was Goku fighting as a SSJ or SSJ2 the entire time because according to your logic he should be SSJ2 since Gohan fights Dabura and Buu in the same form.

You can't choose to ignore art in manga. I'd understand if Toryiama fucked up for like a panel, maybe even an entire chapter, but the entire time he draws a battle with two characters at SSJ2 he deliberately chooses to not draw Gohan at that level, the same he's been drawn since Dabura. Even narratively Goku has to remind Gohan to get angry to beat Dabura and guess what it never happens. Just because Gohan should be something doesn't mean he actually is.



Vegito is irrelevent to this section of the manga considering he isn't drawn until an entire year later. Vegito drawn in January 1995 compared to the Dabura through Majin Vegeta's death section drawn from January 1994 through April 1994. What Toriyama considers Vegito at is not needed when we are talking about a separate section in the manga. That same section of the manga where Toriyama makes clear visually that there is a difference between SSJ and SSJ2.



Shin was amazed by all three Saiyans even after feeling SSJ2 Gohan at the tournament. Are base Vegeta and SSJ Goku more impressive than SSJ2 Gohan? Remember that he wanted to gang up on Pui Pui after seeing SSJ2 Gohan.

Also I'm glad you keep bringing up Kibito seeing SSJ2 Gohan. Tell me, does he have lightning the entire time or no? He does? So wait, Toriyama made sure to draw Gohan as a SSJ2 when he wants to, with the same visual consistency as Goku and Majin Vegeta later, but just so happens to forget it when he draws Gohan again??

You can't argue this. You have side stepped it the entire time. You keep ignoring the actual appearance of SSJ2 and instead go on with different points that don't actually argue that point. I don't know if you are actually reading the manga and seeing it but what it shows is pretty clear. Gohan is a SSJ during the Dabura and Buu fight. Otherwise you are arguing that SSJ and SSJ2 have no visual distinction and that all 5 Saiyans are in a superposition of using both SSJ or SSJ2 at this point in the manga.

Again, who is a SSJ and who is a SSJ2 in Chapter 462 (268 of the Z manga)? Go back and read this part of the manga.

Oh and this is a late edit but if Gohan was a SSJ2 during the Dabura fight why didn't Buu's meter accelerate like crazy? Goku and Vegeta throw a few punches and fill Buu immediately and Shin is shocked and Gohan goes "Oh yeah they must be fighting beyond the SSJ level".

When SSJ2 Gohan's energy gets put into Buu it fills it to near half. Chapter 255 of Z.



After the Dabura fight it only just goes past the halfway point. Chapter 262 of Z.



If Gohan was fighting as a SSJ2 the entire time why would it be some revelation that Goku and Vegeta must have been fighting as SSJ2 to have filled the meter that quickly? Gohan at SSJ2 fighting Dabura getting hurt should have been filling it at a rapid rate.
I'm really getting bored to this. Your bait is getting more and more boring and illogical the whole time... You've been contradicted by many sources in your ridiculous way of thinking.

I'll only answer the parts that are relevant...

Dabura was intended to be on Cell level, how is defeating him that not impressive?

You have Vegeta getting angry because Gohan can't defeat Dabura, why didn't he say something about his current state being able to do something better and instead, he compares him with his CG self?

Goku reminding Gohan to get angry doesn't mean jack shit or supports your argument... Gohan also had a rage boost on top of his SS2 back at the Cell Games, which Goku could've been talking about of.

Well, I have to say to lowering to your level and using out-of universe explanations was fun moments ago, but despite all of that out-of universe explanations what real explanation do you have regarding Vegetto?

Nobody is talking about what Shin thinks of Goku or Vegeta, we are talking specifically about Gohan. Do I have to explain it with pears and apples? Shin explains to Kibito that Gohan proved to be more impressive when he was dead, Gohan showed the SS2 against him, but somehow that means Gohan was a SS the whole time.

Gohan was pretty much below Goku or Vegeta. Such an stupid thing you say isn't helping your case at all.

Oh, wait! Are you saying that Gohan was using a SS2 when (according to you) he was a SS the entire time? You're a fucking idiot for not realize that contradiction.
 

Welfare

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I'm really getting bored to this. Your bait is getting more and more boring and illogical the whole time... You've been contradicted by many sources in your ridiculous way of thinking.

I'll only answer the parts that are relevant...

Dabura was intended to be on Cell level, how is defeating him that not impressive?

You have Vegeta getting angry because Gohan can't defeat Dabura, why didn't he say something about his current state being able to do something better and instead, he compares him with his CG self?

Goku reminding Gohan to get angry doesn't mean jack shit or supports your argument... Gohan also had a rage boost on top of his SS2 back at the Cell Games, which Goku could've been talking about of.

Well, I have to say to lowering to your level and using out-of universe explanations was fun moments ago, but despite all of that out-of universe explanations what real explanation do you have regarding Vegetto?

Nobody is talking about what Shin thinks of Goku or Vegeta, we are talking specifically about Gohan. Do I have to explain it with pears and apples? Shin explains to Kibito that Gohan proved to be more impressive when he was dead, Gohan showed the SS2 against him, but somehow that means Gohan was a SS the whole time.

Gohan was pretty much below Goku or Vegeta. Such an stupid thing you say isn't helping your case at all.

Oh, wait! Are you saying that Gohan was using a SS2 when (according to you) he was a SS the entire time? You're a fucking idiot for not realize that contradiction.
When you said this "Toriyama most of the times (if not ALL the time) points that the current villain humiliates a character in its strongest form, otherwise it wouldn't make him look impressive." you meant Dabura getting beat by Buu or Gohan by Buu? Neither of them getting beat by Buu is supposed to be impressive.

Vegito means literally nothing to this discussion so stop deflecting.

Shin also tells Kibito that Gohan's power surpasses all imagination and might surpass Buu's when we know that's bullshit because he's currently weaker than Goku, Vegeta, and Buu! He's clearly talking about potential. All 3 Saiyans proved to be far more capable than Shin expected, that was the whole point of his reactions to them fighting Babidi's minions.

I only said Gohan was SSJ during the Dabura and Buu fight. Where did I say he was SSJ in front of Kibito or "the entire time" meaning he never went SSJ2 once? Nice deflection.

Again, you won't even touch on the actual appearance of SSJ2 being different from SSJ because you have no argument. Unfortunate that you think this is boring since you refuse to acknowledge my actual main point.
 
When you said this "Toriyama most of the times (if not ALL the time) points that the current villain humiliates a character in its strongest form, otherwise it wouldn't make him look impressive." you meant Dabura getting beat by Buu or Gohan by Buu? Neither of them getting beat by Buu is supposed to be impressive.

Vegito means literally nothing to this discussion so stop deflecting.

Shin also tells Kibito that Gohan's power surpasses all imagination and might surpass Buu's when we know that's bullshit because he's currently weaker than Goku, Vegeta, and Buu! He's clearly talking about potential. All 3 Saiyans proved to be far more capable than Shin expected, that was the whole point of his reactions to them fighting Babidi's minions.

I only said Gohan was SSJ during the Dabura and Buu fight. Where did I say he was SSJ in front of Kibito or "the entire time" meaning he never went SSJ2 once? Nice deflection.

Again, you won't even touch on the actual appearance of SSJ2 being different from SSJ because you have no argument. Unfortunate that you think this is boring since you refuse to acknowledge my actual main point.
Dabura is equal to Gohan, he was directly compared to Cell, so Buu defeating any of them is make to show him being impressive.

So, just because you have not counterargument for Vegetto appearance, automatically means nothing? Cell had also electric aura, was he a SS2 even though it was never stated he was?

Yeah, Gohan surpassed Shin's expectations after the tournament, that's the point.

I never actually said that you said Gohan was a SS against Kibito... But, I said you make it seems like Gohan was a SS against Dabura or Buu, even though everyone act as if he's at full power.
 
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