Sasuke's Speed vs Naruto: Misconception

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With the recent amount of Naruto vs Sasuke threads going on there's been some weird responses. "Naruto will win" "Naruto will lose" "Sasuke will dominate" but that's not what this thread is about. It's about the response that says "Sasuke will speed-blitz Naruto".

People misunderstand what speed-blitzing the opponent is. Here's something for thought: there's a major difference between speed-blitzing the opponent and being much much faster than them. When has Sasuke ever speed-blitzed Naruto? I hope people aren't refererring to their initial part 2 moment where Naruto was chakra-draining and where he didn't really attempt to combat Sasuke's speed. Outside of that Sasuke did the same thing to Naruto during the VotE battle and that was surprise Naruto with his extreme speed and we still saw what happened there. Let's look at some examples shall we?

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That is speed-blitzing the opponent. As you can see the opponent is being blitzed and is utterly useless against the speed. Gaara and Sasuke both were being completely dominated by the speed until they whipped out something else to allow them to compete.
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This however is not speed-blitzing the opponent. As you can see this is just being much much faster than them. Deidara still had enough time to react to Sasuke's Shunshin speed and then didn't have a problem with it for the rest of the battle. He learned to react to it but still he wasn't being blitzed so I don't get what that's about. Even though he was beaten by Sasuke's extra skills speed wasn't really a problem outside of that. Unlike situation 1 (where they were completely dominated by the speed beforehand) in this situation although Sasuke was much faster he really had time to adapt before being completely torn apart by the speed. Hopefully this is understandable. Speed-blitzing has only happened a few times in the series but being much faster than the opponent enough that it causes a problem (but not complete domination as they can react somehow) has happened a good amount.

With Naruto we can say Sasuke's much faster than Naruto. Sasuke is no joke in the speed category. Still Naruto isn't a slow character. Speed was tied with Ninjutsu and physical strength for being his 2nd best area behind chakra at the end of part 1. Post-timeskip we aren't sure how fast he is buthis KB skills have increased an extreme great amount compared to how he was pre-timeskip. Even so, KB has always been used to mae up for what he doesn't have or cause a diversion for a greater skill from him and this is no difference. Naruto will be able to contend with Sasuke's speed with his KB usage. If characters such as Deidara and Itachi can somehow compete with Sasuke's speed with bombs+luck, their own speed and also additional jutsu then Naruto will be able to contend with it his way. There's absolutely no way that Naruto will fall behind these characters and have to whip out some S-ranked jutsu just to make up for what they were able to make up with their pwn physical skills and some small skills.

For me it's the sheer fact of additional skills combined with Genjutsu that'll be the main problem here. Sure speed's important and it helps in battle but I don't think that'll be the real problem. Naruto's KB usage and quick reactions and reflexes will make up for his lack of speed against Sasuke and not only that but he's never really had a serious problem with his speed whenever they've really fought each other His Genjutsu, Raitons, Sharingan and snake jutsu are the real problem here. Not saying Naruto can't deal with these extras but they are more fearsome than his speed when you compare the two. If you check Sasuke's former battles you can see how those additional skills have caused severe problems for his opponents and while speed has in the past now's the time were his additionals are more of the problem. Hell, look against Itachi where Sasuke's other skills were noted far more importantly than his speed.

Then you have the sheer greatness of his other skills compared to Naruto. They are offensive fighters and their styles are interesting so when it comes down to it then you'll see that their other skills (Kyuubi, Sharingan, elementals, and extras) will matter more than speed and physical strength. Not saying who's win against the two considering I don't want to get into that but I will say that Sasuke's speed won't really be the problem in their battle. His other skills make up for far more problems for Naruto.

Naruto's speed is highly highly underrated, the same with his KB usage and mastery. Without KB he'd probably have a problem but considering it's usage in this manga it's surely an amazing skill that can make up for what he lacks like we've seen tons of times in the series. I'm sure that TONS of people assume Sasuke's speed will be so dominating he can instantly take out Naruto's KBs effortlessly even though Naruto doesn't use his KBs like he did pre-timeskip. Along with that Naruto always sends the KBs out first to figure out a strategy before counterrattacking to a good strategy. I'm willing to bet everything on the fact that Sasuke's speed is not enough to completely dominate Naruto and his KB skills rather than his other skills.

Your opinion?

Do you think Sasuke's speed will be the main thing to worry about if Naruto faces him or do you think that it's something else? Of course my opinion is no, speed's important but not in this case here. Sasuke's speed will be dealt with but it's more around the fact of Sasuke's additional skills, which trumpted his former opponents so far in part 2, that'll cause the serious problem.

Anyway, your thoughts.
 
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i think if sasuke and naruto fight, naruto will have to worry more about the raiton attacks than anything else. currently he has no way of defending him self.

i think sasuke speed will definately be an advantage for sasuke but when naruto starts going kyuubi, his speed will also increase. not that much higher but he'll have time to react to his movement.

btw nice read
 
Naruto needs more jutsu.

There's more than to speed than just moving speed (hell even when sasuke had his three tomoe sharingan activated he couldn't see when Itachi created his KB).
 
I stopped reading when you mentioned Deidara not having a trouble with Sasuke's speed. Deidara lost primarily because of Sasuke's speed. Against a normal opponent who can't effing fly, like Gaara, Deidara is almost unbeatable. But because of Sasuke's insane speed, Deidara was forced to fly close to the ground. If not, his attacks would take too long to reach Sasuke to be able to make any significant headway.

Meanwhile, you match Naruto up with Deidara, and he probably dies from Dei's first attack. Sasuke's speed is ridiculous, and it has been seen in his feats vs Orochimaru's army (kid didn't even get scratched, yet didn't even have his Sharingan on. It seems he used, primarily, speed, projectiles, and Kusunagi) as well as against the CS guy. The problem is the 3 major encounters Sasuke has had, there have been extenuating circumstances that are VERY rare set up to combat Sasuke's speed.

Against Orochimaru: Sasuke's speed had little importance because the room was tiny, and Oro was basically glued to the bed.

Against Deidara: As I mentioned, Deidara was by far the best long range fighter in the story. He could FLY, and drop bombs. However, even he was forced to fly close to the ground because of Sasuke's Shunshin. Unfortunately, since he can't fly and do Shunshin, Deidara's areal abilities were able to cancel out Sasuke's ground speed.

Against Itachi: Itachi has the Sharingan, and again forced Sasuke to fight in closed/small quarters. His Sharingan allots him matrix vision, enabling him to see things slowed down. In addition, he can see chakra colors and read jutsu, thus he is alerted when Sasuke is building up chakra in a body part to perform Shunshin.

Naruto can't fly and rain destructive attacks, won't be pinned down, and doesn't have Sharingan in top of experience fighting super-speedy fighters, so Sasuke's speed WILL make a BIG difference when they fight. But again, it might not seem like it, because where Naruto would normally be able to overwhelm someone with numbers, Sasuke's speed will allow him to beat up Bushins quickly.

However, to the unperceptive, Sasuke's Shunshin acting as a preliminary counter to another's prime ability isn't seen as a product of speed blitzing/advantage. It still doesn't change the fact it DOES make a big difference, and with Naruto's weak abilities, he COULD get speedblitzed. Pretty easily.
 
I honestly never understood why people keep saying that Sasuke will speed blitz Naruto and end the fight quickly especially since both of the combatants are main characters and not fodders. The only main thing Naruto needs to worry about is the chidori variants and the genjutsu. Right now Naruto is too linear with his current moveset and could use some more fuuton jutsus to cover up his potential problems with the chidori sword, chidori nagashi, and the chidori needles. Naruto doesn't really need to get stronger to beat Sasuke he just needs to become more skilled.
 
At least you cleared up what speed blitzing was, that term is thrown around far too loosely in relation to this series. With it only really occurring a few times.
 
I would have to say no, since I doubt that Sasuke's speed will be the main factor of their fight. I think it will play somewhat, but Naruto for sure will overcome it, with something we haven't seen him do, either by Naruto being fast or Naruto pulling out some justu.
 
I thought about making a thread about this very subject. Sasuke is definitely not slow, but neither is Naruto. We've seen enough panels to know that in KN-0 Naruto is very fast. Anything over KN-0 and Naruto is godly fast. I doubt he would be really bothered by Sasuke's speed, especially when you factor in that he can confuse the opponent with KB attacks/diversions.

But in any case, there are examples of Naruto's speed in Part 2 that let us know that he is extremely fast in his own right.



As you can see the panel says "sfx: speed." I assume this was written to show that Naruto is hauling ass -- not going slow. If you notice the reaction of Chiyo and Itachi, it is obvious that Naruto is fast.



Here against Deidara we see it again. Naruto is moving so fast that when he impacted the side of the cliff it causes an explosion, and Naruto is encased in solid rock.



Deidara was just barely able to avoid his attack despite being high in the air. It shows that not only is Naruto fast but he can also cover a good distance with his attacks. Later Naruto is easily able to get to Deidara quickly despite his ability to fly.

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So, in KN-1 is so fast that not even Orochimaru one of the Sannin can react and the rest of Team 7 plus Kabuto are completely lost. In that time, Naruto has basically decapitated Orochimaru. Of course, we might not see this technique again cause Naruto has sworn of Kyuubi.. but when push comes to shove Naruto is fast.


Going back to Part 1 Naruto was fast enough to prevent Sasuke from reading his movements with a two-tomoe sharingan. That is extremely fast in of itself. But in Part 2 there are some good examples also.

Overall, there is a good bit of evidence Naruto is no slouch in the speed department. He doesn't really need to be super fast with KB's, but he is very fast. The so-called "speed blitz" is about the dumbest argument I see floating around here. Nothing like that ever happens in meaningful fights. Usually the fights come down to stamina. Sasuke's last two fights prove this fact 100 percent. There is no way Naruto would be easily overtaken by speed. For one, he is very fast himself and secondly, his diversions with KB's are too dangerous for an opponent to come against recklessly.
 
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I'll just add another time where Naruto's speed was shown in part 2. Remember Kakuzu, the guy who raped Kakashi in speed with his tentacles? Well, Naruto was able to get behind this guy - NOT BY SURPRISE - and was able to land an attack (the attack failed, but that's irrelevant to this topic).

Sasuke's fast, yes. He's faster than Naruto, yes. He won't speed-blitz Naruto, no.
 
Good thread, Kyuubi Naruto. At least we can see the difference that Naruto can use chakra to physically increase his speed where as after Part 1 Sasuke clearly utilizes ninjutsu like Shunshin to actually compensate for his own.
 
Sasukes speed would be a factor but it wouldn't be the main thing that Naruto would have to deal with. Speed would be as big as a factor to Naruto as KB would be to Sasuke. I see KB and shunshin pretty much canceling each other out between them. Genjutsu and raitons would be Naruto's main concern.
 
Noble Avenger said:
I stopped reading when you mentioned Deidara not having a trouble with Sasuke's speed. Deidara lost primarily because of Sasuke's speed. Against a normal opponent who can't effing fly, like Gaara, Deidara is almost unbeatable. But because of Sasuke's insane speed, Deidara was forced to fly close to the ground. If not, his attacks would take too long to reach Sasuke to be able to make any significant headway.

Meanwhile, you match Naruto up with Deidara, and he probably dies from Dei's first attack. Sasuke's speed is ridiculous, and it has been seen in his feats vs Orochimaru's army (kid didn't even get scratched, yet didn't even have his Sharingan on. It seems he used, primarily, speed, projectiles, and Kusunagi) as well as against the CS guy. The problem is the 3 major encounters Sasuke has had, there have been extenuating circumstances that are VERY rare set up to combat Sasuke's speed.

Against Orochimaru: Sasuke's speed had little importance because the room was tiny, and Oro was basically glued to the bed.

Against Deidara: As I mentioned, Deidara was by far the best long range fighter in the story. He could FLY, and drop bombs. However, even he was forced to fly close to the ground because of Sasuke's Shunshin. Unfortunately, since he can't fly and do Shunshin, Deidara's areal abilities were able to cancel out Sasuke's ground speed.

Against Itachi: Itachi has the Sharingan, and again forced Sasuke to fight in closed/small quarters. His Sharingan allots him matrix vision, enabling him to see things slowed down. In addition, he can see chakra colors and read jutsu, thus he is alerted when Sasuke is building up chakra in a body part to perform Shunshin.

Naruto can't fly and rain destructive attacks, won't be pinned down, and doesn't have Sharingan in top of experience fighting super-speedy fighters, so Sasuke's speed WILL make a BIG difference when they fight. But again, it might not seem like it, because where Naruto would normally be able to overwhelm someone with numbers, Sasuke's speed will allow him to beat up Bushins quickly.

However, to the unperceptive, Sasuke's Shunshin acting as a preliminary counter to another's prime ability isn't seen as a product of speed blitzing/advantage. It still doesn't change the fact it DOES make a big difference, and with Naruto's weak abilities, he COULD get speedblitzed. Pretty easily.
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please show me a pic where deidara says he needs to be close to the ground to hit sasuke i really don't remember
 
Noble Avenger said:
I stopped reading when you mentioned Deidara not having a trouble with Sasuke's speed. Deidara lost primarily because of Sasuke's speed.
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Deidara blew himself up. But beside that point, Deidara lost primarily because of Sasuke's elemental advantage and sharingan.

Against a normal opponent who can't effing fly, like Gaara, Deidara is almost unbeatable. But because of Sasuke's insane speed, Deidara was forced to fly close to the ground. If not, his attacks would take too long to reach Sasuke to be able to make any significant headway.
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Deidara acknowledged himself to be inferior to Sasori. Can Sasori fly? Also Kakashi and Naruto pwned him easily, but then he went straight to suicide mode. In fact, it took Sasuke many more chapters to drive Deidara to suicide.

Meanwhile, you match Naruto up with Deidara, and he probably dies from Dei's first attack.
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Speculation and fanboyism. Perhaps Deidara dies before his first attack. Who knows...

Sasuke's speed is ridiculous, and it has been seen in his feats vs Orochimaru's army (kid didn't even get scratched, yet didn't even have his Sharingan on. It seems he used, primarily, speed, projectiles, and Kusunagi) as well as against the CS guy. The problem is the 3 major encounters Sasuke has had, there have been extenuating circumstances that are VERY rare set up to combat Sasuke's speed.
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Fan fiction. How do you know Sasuke used primarily speed to defeat those fodder sine the fight was off panel? There is no evidence of any of this. All pure speculation.

Against Orochimaru: Sasuke's speed had little importance because the room was tiny, and Oro was basically glued to the bed.
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Ok, and so what?

Against Deidara: As I mentioned, Deidara was by far the best long range fighter in the story. He could FLY, and drop bombs. However, even he was forced to fly close to the ground because of Sasuke's Shunshin. Unfortunately, since he can't fly and do Shunshin, Deidara's areal abilities were able to cancel out Sasuke's ground speed.
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Don't remember this.

Against Itachi: Itachi has the Sharingan, and again forced Sasuke to fight in closed/small quarters. His Sharingan allots him matrix vision, enabling him to see things slowed down. In addition, he can see chakra colors and read jutsu, thus he is alerted when Sasuke is building up chakra in a body part to perform Shunshin.
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What does Itachi being able to see chakra and so forth have to do with Sasuke's speed especially when dude was blind. Itachi got owned by a shuriken. His ability to defend against taijutsu was obviously limited after he used Tsukuyomi. No speed blitz... Probably because there is no such thing.

Naruto can't fly and rain destructive attacks, won't be pinned down, and doesn't have Sharingan in top of experience fighting super-speedy fighters, so Sasuke's speed WILL make a BIG difference when they fight. But again, it might not seem like it, because where Naruto would normally be able to overwhelm someone with numbers, Sasuke's speed will allow him to beat up Bushins quickly.
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Yep, Naruto can't fly. u r genius. But he can rain down destructive attacks. You seem to say that only Shinobi with Sharingan can fight "super-speedy" fighters. No evidence of this yet in the manga... but keep going.


However, to the unperceptive, Sasuke's Shunshin acting as a preliminary counter to another's prime ability isn't seen as a product of speed blitzing/advantage.
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WTF is this gibberish? This sentence doesn't even make sense. Saying "speed blitzing/advantage" is like saying "super bowl/winner." There isn't necessarily a relationship between the two in other words.

It still doesn't change the fact it DOES make a big difference, and with Naruto's weak abilities, he COULD get speedblitzed. Pretty easily.
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What Naruto "weak" abilities... That's an important detail to your argument here ya know.
 
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i don't think speed will be much of an issue
i'm sure they're speed at the least will be on par with each other.
 
Interesting read. You should consider adding how Naruto has already analyzed Sasuke's speed as shown here. Sasuke is fast, but speed is not a major issue here.
 
Kuroro said:
Interesting read. You should consider adding how Naruto has already analyzed Sasuke's speed as shown here. Sasuke is fast, but speed is not a major issue here.
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Phoeeey you can't bank on kishi to remember that shit.
Look how akat rings are just not important anymore.
 
Base Naruto could have problems with Sasuke's shunshin speed, although I agree, Naruto is not a slow character. Naruto went Against Kakuzu twice and in both attempts he came close enough to hit him. Outnumbering his opponent sure helped in that situation, but if you remember, preskip Naruto's mass kagebunshins were easly killed by characters like Sasuke, Neji and Kimi. This is an evidence that base Naruto had a speed boost through the time skip.
 
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I stopped reading when you mentioned Deidara not having a trouble with Sasuke's speed. Deidara lost primarily because of Sasuke's speed. Against a normal opponent who can't effing fly, like Gaara, Deidara is almost unbeatable. But because of Sasuke's insane speed, Deidara was forced to fly close to the ground. If not, his attacks would take too long to reach Sasuke to be able to make any significant headway.

Meanwhile, you match Naruto up with Deidara, and he probably dies from Dei's first attack.
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And i stopped reading your post after you said naruto dies after Deidara's first attack.. When naruto vs Deidara has already happened and naruto is still alive.. THe only reason deidara didn't die vs naruto the first time is because kakashi restrained him from killing every body.. Lmao Sasuke doens't have a attack that can pierce the kyubbi's skin so plz spare me.. In the fact that if he used the FRS in kyubbi mode.. He would destroy the naruto unvierse.. In terms of raw power.. Naruto is the force to reckon with because of the kyubbi.. In terms of chakra.. Naruto is the force.. In terms of speed.. Naruto vs Oro... Oro Blinked and got knocked back into the next chapter?.... Sasuke isn't speed blizzing naruto.. its not going to happen. Instead this would be his toughest fight. Considering itachi's performance..

So far we have naruto who can now cover his hold body in wind manupluation chakra... As shown in the madara vs naruto fight when he wtf pwned that puddle.... All of sauske's chidori varations and that raining lightning jutsu from the sky are all useless vs Naruto.. So far we have Chidor variations no worky against naruto and hes no speed blitzzin naruto..
 
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Good read. With Naruto's advanced usage of KB, I doubt that his problem would be Sasuke's speed. And it's not like Naruto's a slowpoke either.

No way in hell Naruto would get speed blitzed.
 
Sasuke sama would speedblitz that loser, no matter how much you turds try to dey it. Stop being delusional, you need to accept the fact that Sasuke sama will always be the superior shinobi.
 
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Sasuke sama would speedblitz that loser, no matter how much you turds try to dey it. Stop being delusional, you need to accept the fact that Sasuke sama will always be the superior shinobi.
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Its going to be a sad day for you saucegay tards when this fight actually happens.. I'm going to laugh for a very long time.
 
Its going to be a sad day for you saucegay tards when this fight actually happens.. I'm going to laugh for a very long time.
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like how you laughed at VOTE. its always the same for you haters. First you thought Sasuke sama was going to lose to Orochi, then Deidarra, then Itachi now its Naruto. Sasuke sama is a god, gods don't lose against mere mortals.
 
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like how you laughed at VOTE. its always the same for you haters. First you thought Sasuke sama was going to lose to Orochi, then Deidarra, then Itachi now its Naruto. Sasuke sama is a god, gods don't lose against mere mortals.
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Seriously dude you need to wake up and understand that in this type of stories the main character will always be the strongest,sure Sasuke is stronger now but he had to be in order to stand up to Itachi,there was no oder way,the same will hapen with Naruto when he finds out about Jirayas death :laugh
 
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Seriously dude you need to wake up and understand that in this type of stories the main character will always be the strongest,sure Sasuke is stronger now but he had to be in order to stand up to Itachi,there was no oder way,the same will hapen with Naruto when he finds out about Jirayas death
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Sasuke sama will be strongest in the end, after he pwns Madara.
 
It will most likely not be the magical bullet because Kishi can simply make Naruto appear "magically" faster. Its also likely that Kishi will downplay Sasuke's use of Genjutsu if these two ever fight, even if its unlogical.

As for Naruto, he has shown some good speed when he blocked Chiyo's attack, so he clearly isnt slow. Yet, Sasuke's speed has been commented on so many things already, that if Naruto was equal in this, it would pretty much lower all the hype Sasuke has got and make all the praise turn into nothing special. Its like if Sasuke suddenly would equalize Naruto's chakra level.

I think its better for the manga that the two exceed each other at different abilities, not that one dominates in all areas.
 
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