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Sanji vs Luffy villains

Great Potato

Well-Known Member
Inspired by this Shunsuiju comment

I know it's hard for some to reconcile, but Luffy potentially defeating Kaido means that Sanji will be capable of giving him a really tough fight also.

1. Baratie Sanji vs Don Krieg

2. EB Sanji vs Arlong

3. Alabasta Sanji vs Crocodile (Sanji knows weakness to water)

4. Skypeia Sanji vs Enel (Assume Sanji can hit him)

5. EL Sanji vs Lucci

6. TB Sanji vs Asgard Moria

7. FI Sanji vs Hodi Jones (Underwater)

8. Dressrosa Sanji vs Doflamingo

9. WCI Sanji vs Katakuri

10. Current Sanji vs Kaido

This isn't about if Sanji wins, but how hard he can push them. Does he give them all a really tough fight?
 

Karma

Cheeky Cunt
1. Loses high dif
2. Loses high dif
3. Loses mid dif
4. Loses low dif
5. Loses mid dif
6. Loses low dif
7. Wins extreme dif
8. Loses low dif
9. Loses low dif
10. Loses low dif

Wtf

Ive read the quote multiple times now and I legit have no clue how that line of logic makes sense to anyone
 

Conxc

Well-Known Member
Inspired by this Shunsuiju comment



1. Baratie Sanji vs Don Krieg

2. EB Sanji vs Arlong

3. Alabasta Sanji vs Crocodile (Sanji knows weakness to water)

4. Skypeia Sanji vs Enel (Assume Sanji can hit him)

5. EL Sanji vs Lucci

6. TB Sanji vs Asgard Moria

7. FI Sanji vs Hodi Jones (Underwater)

8. Dressrosa Sanji vs Doflamingo

9. WCI Sanji vs Katakuri

10. Current Sanji vs Kaido

This isn't about if Sanji wins, but how hard he can push them. Does he give them all a really tough fight?
1. Sanji mid diff. IIRC Kreig wasn’t really strong, just had a bunch of weapons?

2. Arlong high diff

3. Croc mid diff at best

4. Enel low- diff

5. Lucci mid-diff

6. Moria mid-diff

7. Sanji low-diff. Hody was a joke

8. Doffy no diff…as we saw in the manga

9. Katakuri no-diff

10. Kaido no-diff

Sanji doesn’t have the durability to fight Katakuri let alone Kaido. He’s also lacking in attack power and Haki. He’s only shown impressive CoO. Obviously doesn’t have CoC and his CoA is unproven as he hasn’t even shown hardening.
 

Mercurial

Konoha's most skilled shinobi
Sanji was stomped by playing around Doflamingo in ten seconds. Doflamingo didn't even feel the need to use Haki.

Rufy with G2 G3 damaged Doflamingo and forced him to use Haki. Full Power Rufy stomped Full Power Doflamingo.

Just Sayan.

Oh. Rufy stomped Don Krieg while Sanji was losing against Gin.
Sanji called Arlong "a different dimension" compared to Kuroobi. Rufy mid diffed Arlong...

WCI Sanji gets clowned neg diff by Katakuri who low diffed a Rufy who is stronger than Doflamingo, someone that stomped Sanji.

Sanji is barely defeating YC2 Queen, he has obviously no chances against Yonko Kaido who low/mid diffed people like Rufy, Zoro or Yamato that are much stronger than Sanji.
Kaido no diffs him.

Rufy > Zoro >> Sanji
Rufy >>> Sanji

Sanji is good and a M3 member and all, but he is far from Rufy. Far.
The only opponent he can defeat is Hody. And Caesar as well, if you want to add.
 

Strobacaxi

Well Known Member
Krieg: Sanji failed to break The fire dude's shield right? Krieg should win high diff
Arlong: Sanji wins high diff
Croc: Sanji wins high diff assuming he can touch him
Enel: Sanji still can't take his attacks, mid diff for Enel
Lucci: Lucci wins high diff
Moria: Mid diff for Moria
Hody: High diff for Sanji
DD: Mid diff for DD
Kata: Low diff
Kaido: Mid diff

But he's right, if Luffy could solo Kaido then Sanji wouldn't be anything less than a high diff. But Luffy can't solo Kaido.
 

Shunsuiju

The Orphan of the North
Ive read the quote multiple times now and I legit have no clue how that line of logic makes sense to anyone
But he's right, if Luffy could solo Kaido then Sanji wouldn't be anything less than a high diff. But Luffy can't solo Kaido.
.
This isn't about if Sanji wins, but how hard he can push them. Does he give them all a really tough fight?
He gives most a really tough fight, yes. The only ones I'm not sure about are Moria and Enel.
 

charles101

Kaizō Konpaku
1. Baratie Sanji vs Don Krieg

2. EB Sanji vs Arlong

3. Alabasta Sanji vs Crocodile (Sanji knows weakness to water)

4. Skypeia Sanji vs Enel (Assume Sanji can hit him)

5. EL Sanji vs Lucci

6. TB Sanji vs Asgard Moria

7. FI Sanji vs Hodi Jones (Underwater)

8. Dressrosa Sanji vs Doflamingo

9. WCI Sanji vs Katakuri

10. Current Sanji vs Kaido
If Luffy could just hit Enel, he'd lose too. He is immune to his DF, that's the main thing
 

Mylesime

Well-Known Member
Luffy had no business winning half of those fights after East Blue.
Moria: Nightmare Luffy, injected shadows straight into his veins.
Crocodile: Should have died three times including the last round where without Robin he would have been poisoned to death.
Doflamingo would have finished him off without interference.
Katakuri had to take his lunch, before Luffy miraculously fell on top of Brulee...... should have died there too.
Kaido for whatever reason did not slice his throat when luffy fell uncounscious, the Yonko can fly mind you.
Worse than that, not only did he not die against Katakuri and Kaido, he actually gained their advanced forms of haki by getting the living shit beaten out of him.

For the others Sanji could give them a good fight, if not outright win.
Sanji is not a fodder compared to Luffy contrary to the BS the haters kept spewing.
Certified Top Tiers at the end of the story

:hhh
 
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Karma

Cheeky Cunt
Hody is the most intresting fight imo

It being underwater Sanji's fire abilities will be hampered and hell be on a time limit. Im also assuming this is druged up Hody which is stronger than the one Zoro treated like trash.
 

Oberyn Nymeros

Well-Known Member
1. Baratie Sanji vs Don Krieg
High Diff Loss
2. EB Sanji vs Arlong
Mid - High Diff Loss
3. Alabasta Sanji vs Crocodile (Sanji knows weakness to water)
Low Diff Loss.
I don't see Sanji being able to really take advantage of this weakness. How is he constantly getting his shoes bloody enough to hit with? Is he taking off his shoes and cutting his feet? Eh.
4. Skypeia Sanji vs Enel (Assume Sanji can hit him)
Low Diff Loss.
He can hurt Enel but Enel is still really powerful and would strike him t obolivion.
5. EL Sanji vs Lucci
Mid to High Diff Loss.
Base Luffy was putting up a good fight against Lucci and Sanji should be comparable. Diable Jambe is going to hurt like a bitch.
6. TB Sanji vs Asgard Moria
Lol to Low Diff Loss
Didn't Moria like split a large section of Thriller Bark with one hand and after taking a beating from Nightmare Luffy? Sanji gets one shot by the first hit that lands.
7. FI Sanji vs Hodi Jones (Underwater)
Sanji Wins!
8. Dressrosa Sanji vs Doflamingo
Low Diff Loss
9. WCI Sanji vs Katakuri
Low Diff Loss
10. Current Sanji vs Kaido
Lol to Low Diff Loss
 

Shunsuiju

The Orphan of the North
People saying Sanji will lose low diff to Doflamingo, Cracker and Katakuri need realize that Luffy also loses badly without G4. So it's not Sanji being weak, we just haven't seen his version of G4 yet. And I disagree that even DJ/DR Sanji would lose low diff to Doflamingo.
 

Oberyn Nymeros

Well-Known Member
People saying Sanji will lose low diff to Doflamingo, Cracker and Katakuri need realize that Luffy also loses badly without G4. So it's not Sanji being weak, we just haven't seen his version of G4 yet. And I disagree that even DJ/DR Sanji would lose low diff to Doflamingo.
When we get proof that Hell Memories is a mode with many attacks and not just a single kick quit then we can have that discussion.
 

Shunsuiju

The Orphan of the North
When we get proof that Hell Memories is a mode with many attacks and not just a single kick quit then we can have that discussion.
Fair enough.

I feel like people are forgetting that though, and acting like Luffy is way above him because of it. That's why I mentioned in the other thread that Sanji has been out of the spotlight as a combatant. Now that is changing, and we'll see what he pulls out against Queen.
 

JustSumGuy

The True SNIPER KING
1. Baratie Sanji vs Don Krieg
Don Kreig had a big bag of tricks that I’m not sure Sanji could power through like Luffy did at the time. He lacked those “guts” that Zeff was talking about at that time. Kreig high diff.
2. EB Sanji vs Arlong
Arlong on the higher end of mid diff.
3. Alabasta Sanji vs Crocodile (Sanji knows weakness to water)
Crocodile low diff.
4. Skypeia Sanji vs Enel (Assume Sanji can hit him)
Enel low diff.
5. EL Sanji vs Lucci
Lucci mid diff.
6. TB Sanji vs Asgard Moria
Moria traps Sanji in that box attack and then squishes him. He doesn’t have a rubber body like Luffy did to save him.
7. FI Sanji vs Hodi Jones (Underwater)
Sanji mid diff. Sanji should be an even better underwater combatant than Zoro. I know Hody is pulled up but I still don’t think he can compete with Sanji. The only reason it’s as high as mid is because Sanji will have to take breaks for air and Hody is durable.
8. Dressrosa Sanji vs Doflamingo
We saw this. Low diff for Doffy
9. WCI Sanji vs Katakuri
Low diff for Kat. It really is amazing how fast Sanji grew as I think current Sanji gives him a solid high diff fight and maybe he even beats him depending on the fight with Queen.
10. Current Sanji vs Kaido
I really don’t think Kaido has any trouble…like at all.
 

Draco Bolton

Well-Known Member
Inspired by this Shunsuiju comment

I know it's hard for some to reconcile, but Luffy potentially defeating Kaido means that Sanji will be capable of giving him a really tough fight also.


@Shunsuiju thank you.

You became a well-known funny tier specialist for our sake. I promise I won't let this error go to waste


1. Don Krieg mid diff

2. Arlong mid diff

3. Crocodile low diff

4. Enel low diff

5. Lucci low diff

6. Asgard Moria low diff

7. Sanji high diff

8. Doffy low diff

9. Katakuri low diff

10. Kaido low diff
 

Shunsuiju

The Orphan of the North
@Shunsuiju thank you.

You became a well-known funny tier specialist for our sake. I promise I won't let this error go to waste


1. Don Krieg mid diff

2. Arlong mid diff

3. Crocodile low diff

4. Enel low diff

5. Lucci low diff

6. Asgard Moria low diff

7. Sanji high diff

8. Doffy low diff

9. Katakuri low diff

10. Kaido low diff
What's your problem?

Just missing attention at home or what?
 

DarkRasengan

Well-Known Member
Sanji and zoro are usually an arc behind luffy in strength, so a 1 arc later sanji can defeat all of these guys bar croc/enel/kaido for obvious reasons.
 

Shunsuiju

The Orphan of the North
Part II Sanji up until he first puts the raid-suit on is basically just the same guy.
Same as Zoro until he uses Asura by that logic.

Anyway.

The reason for this thread is because I stated that Sanji would give Kaido high difficulty if Luffy beats him. That originated from the thread about Sanji vs Doflamingo. But even if Sanji could give Kaido moderate difficulty, he would still shit all over Doflamingo twice over.

So I'm not dying over him needing to give Luffy's opponents the most difficult fights in the world. Like, I think some of these fights would not be of the highest difficulty, for example Katakuri might mid diff Sanji or something, Kaido might mid diff Sanji at the end of Wano. But he still gives them a fight, as Sanji is apart of the Monster Trio.
 

Great Potato

Well-Known Member
1. Sanji mid diff. IIRC Kreig wasn’t really strong, just had a bunch of weapons?

Krieg had impressive strength for East Blue standards.

Spoiler:




He also caused Gin to scream in agony and collapse to the floor just from gripping his shoulder, and actually survived Luffy's big finisher and required Gin to put him down with a finishing blow.

6. TB Sanji vs Asgard Moria

Sanji defeating Moria? How exactly is he surviving this?

Spoiler:



Sanji is slower than Gear 2nd and Luffy only survived that because he's made of rubber.
 

Quipchaque

Well-Known Member
Well given that Sanji can create fire, turns invisible and has increased durability thanks to the suit I can see arguments be made for him giving Kaido a tough fight. Would be kind of ridiculous if he couldn't given that clowns like Kid, Law and Killer were somewhat competitive against Kaido.
 

Empathy

Disciple of Thunder
Same as Zoro until he uses Asura by that logic.

The same guy who got beat by Judge, is the same guy who got low diff’d by Doflamingo, is the same guy who got his leg broken by Vergo, etc. etc. Sanji’s strongest attack he’s used so far is still from Fishman Island. I don’t think Zoro improved since the time-skip until Act III of Wano either, so he pretty much only fought weaklings.
 

Shunsuiju

The Orphan of the North
The same guy who got beat by Judge, is the same guy who got low diff’d by Doflamingo, is the same guy who got his leg broken by Vergo, etc. etc. Sanji’s strongest attack he’s used so far is still from Fishman Island. I don’t think Zoro improved since the time-skip until act III of Wano either.
Is the same guy who couldn't break Blueno's tekkai but then went on to turn Jabra into grilled dinner about an hour afterward. Don't buy into it.

And no, he didn't get low diff'd by Doflamingo on fair terms. He did just as well as Zoro or Luffy would in that situation up until he was taken off guard by Paarasite. Saying he got low diff'd by something that even Jozu couldn't get out of is disingenuous. He also wasn't beaten by Judge, it was pretty clear who was the more skilled and talented from that brief interaction.
 

Empathy

Disciple of Thunder
Is the same guy who couldn't break Blueno's tekkai but then went on to turn Jabra into grilled dinner about an hour afterward. Don't buy into it.

I’m not really sure what your point is here. My point is that Sanji didn’t show any improvement since the time-skip until Wano, so there’s no point in making distinctions between him from arcs before then. He was pretty consistently bad with no signs of improvement until Wano.

And no, he didn't get low diff'd by Doflamingo on fair terms. He did just as well as Zoro or Luffy would in that situation up until he was taken off guard by Paarasite. Saying he got low diff'd by something that even Jozu couldn't get out of is disingenuous. He also wasn't beaten by Judge, it was pretty clear who was the more skilled and talented from that brief interaction.

These are semantics. Can you prove that there’s something WCI Sanji could do that Dressrosa Sanji couldn’t? Or is there something that Dressrosa Sanji could do that he was previously unable to do on Punk Hazard?
 

DarkRasengan

Well-Known Member
I’m not really sure what your point is here. My point is that Sanji didn’t show any improvement since the time-skip until Wano, so there’s no point in making distinctions between him from arcs before then. He was pretty consistently bad with no signs of improvement until Wano.



These are semantics. Can you prove that there’s something WCI Sanji could do that Dressrosa Sanji couldn’t? Or is there something that Dressrosa Sanji could do that he was previously unable to do on Punk Hazard?
I think the main thing is it was documented in the manga that the strawhats grow significantly between islands. So logically WCI sanji would be stronger than dressrosa
 

Shunsuiju

The Orphan of the North
I’m not really sure what your point is here. My point is that Sanji didn’t show any improvement since the time-skip until Wano, so there’s no point in making distinctions between him from arcs before then. He was pretty consistently bad with no signs of improvement until Wano.



These are semantics. Can you prove that there’s something WCI Sanji could do that Dressrosa Sanji couldn’t? Or is there something that Dressrosa Sanji could do that he was previously unable to do on Punk Hazard?
All of what your saying can be applied to any other character in the series. Even Luffy, who hasn't shown much visible improvement since the timeskip in his base form. Only really recently did we see that when he was fighting Kaido. We can only assume Sanji will also improve.
 

ClannadFan

Well-Known Member
I understand the reasoning of why most people have Sanji losing low diff to most of Luffy's opponents, but it just doesn't make sense story wise. Luffy beat all of these guys. Had some plot help but he still was compareable to all of them, except Kaido.

Do any of you really think that at any point in the series, if Oda wrote Luffy vs Sanji that Sanji would lose low diff? I don't even think Oda would give Franky that treatment. Seriously.
 
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