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Rules of the Battledome [Re-revised] / Suggestions and Concerns

Blu-ray

Moderator
Moderator
-updated as of June 29th, 2010-


Rules of the Naruto Battledome


I. Introduction
II. Rules
A. Thread Rules
B. Posting Rules
III. Conclusion


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I. Introduction
The Naruto Battledome is a subsection dedicated to the discussion of hypothetical 'versus' scenarios (ie. battles) between Naruto characters based on the Naruto storyline. This may include direct match-ups between characters, characters against specific jutsu, or jutsu match-ups.

When creating a match-up in the Battledome, it is strongly recommended you specify the knowledge, location, distance, restrictions and any other special conditions there might be. By default, manga knowledge is assumed in every thread in the Naruto Battledome. Also, if you want to post a thread that's anime-friendly, dub-friendly or what have you, please specify in the thread.

Please read and ensure you understand the below rules before posting in the Manga Battledome. If you have any questions or problems, PM a section moderator.

For more information on this section, and the Konoha Colosseum, refer to the Naruto Battledome Wiki.

II. Rules

A. Thread Rules
  1. Post threads of the appropriate subject.
  2. Do not post threads based on spoilers.
  3. If there is a thread identical to the one you want to post on the first five pages, reply there instead.
  4. Post threads only if there is a discussion to be had.
  5. Post all required information, including location, starting distance, knowledge and any special circumstances.
    • Location, starting distance and etc. are optional for tier/ranking threads.
  6. Do not post to cause drama or incite an argument.
1. Post threads of the appropriate subject.
Does your thread belong in the Naruto Battledome Battledome? (Read the first paragraph on what should belong here. Discussion of the Naruto Dub, Manga, Anime and general banter belong in the Dub Section, Konoha Library, Konoha TV, and Konoha Plaza respectively. Hypothetical battle scenarios involving other storylines or worlds belong in the appropriate subsection of the Outskirts Battledome.

In addition, match-ups such as ‘Sex battle: Sakura vs Hinata in chocolate syrup bath. who would win?’ are not acceptable in the Battledome. You may wish to refer to the Joke Battledome in the Outskirts Battledome for such threads. As for match-ups such as ‘Neji v. Shikamaru: Who is smarter?’, such threads should be made in the House of Uzumaki.

2. Do not post threads based on spoilers.
In the Manga Battledome, any pre-RAW spoilers pertaining to the week’s chapter may not be discussed in the Naruto Battledome. Unlike the Konoha Library, if the chapter scanlation has been made available and there is discussion of it in the Konoha Telegrams, then such applicable post-RAW content may be used in the Naruto Battledome. Members do not have to wait for three days to post information pertaining to the latest chapter. BUT please keep in mind that if you are going to mention post-RAW spoilers, please spoiler tag it. If you are going to be making a thread please write a warning such as:
Spoiler:
in the title.
Spoiler:


3. If there is a thread identical to the one you want to post on the first five pages, reply there instead.
There's no need to start a new thread if one already exists, and if the only difference is a minor detail then it's probably not worth starting a new thread either. PLEASE at least check the first two pages. Also, it would be a good idea to make use of the search function (if it is working) If you are planning to make an obvious thread like Kakashi vs Gai, Sasuke vs Kakashi, Kakuzu vs Deidara,etc., then there is a very good chance that someone has made that thread before. In addition, DO NOT post spam threads for a single character to prove a point or to be annoying. These threads will be sent to the landfill and the user will be punished.

On the other hand, 'necroing/necrobumping' - resurrecting a thread more than a month old - is generally frowned upon in this section, but is not bannable as long as the post is contributive, or new information has been brought to light in the manga (introduction of new jutsu, feats, et cetera). Posting just to boost your count can and will be punished.

4. Post threads only if there is a discussion to be had.
Threads posted can fail to leave opportunity for discussion if a) they are too speculative, with little to nothing known of one or more of the shinobi involved, or b) the outcome is self-evident without explanation. Threads where the outcome is clear without any discussion should also not be posted (e.g. Hinata against Jiraiya).). If you are going to make a thread involving characters such as Post-TS Temari, Hinata, Lee, etc. try to use you original post to explain what other abilities these characters might have for this battle to have healthy a discussion. i.e. Hinata w/ Neji's moves

5. Post all required information, including location, starting distance, and knowledge.
It is recommended all threads contain information pertaining to the location, distance, mindset, knowledge, restrictions and special conditions where necessary, although omitting these specifications is not a punishable offence.

Please, use descriptive thread titles so people know what they are getting into. So, no more threads like "what if...", "fight to death...", "assassination...", etc. These thread titles are terribly unclear. If a person reads such a thing they don't know what characters are involved and specifically what they are getting into. Above all, use common sense.

6. Do not post to cause drama or incite an argument.
No matter how clever or justified you think it is, don't use threads as a way to prove a personal point or to get back at someone – even if you do it in a very subtle way. Furthermore, if you know that someone has a rather controversial view, don't specifically make a thread to try to bait them into an argument. Basically, no spite threads or flamebaiting.

7. Please don't post open-ended threads.
Threads like 'Which characters can X beat', where their opponents aren't clearly defined, are too open-ended. Most people will only post one-line responses, and we're trying to stay clear of that.


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An Example to Writing a Good Manga Battledome Thread:

Naruto Battledome Poster X said:
-Title-
Taka Sasuke vs Post-TS Kakashi
-Original Post-
Restrictions: Taka Sasuke does not have his Cursed Seal(CS), Orochimaru inside of him nor any powers provided by Orochimaru (ie. summoning tatoo). Sasuke also doesn't have access to the Mangekyou Sharingan.
Knowledge: Manga.
Battlefield: Pre-TS Bell test battle ground
Starting Distance: 80 meters.
State of Mind : Blood Lusted. So, no more opinions like Kakashi won't harm Sasuke because he cares about Sasuke and, he is his teacher.
 
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Blu-ray

Moderator
Moderator
B. Posting Rules
  1. Post constructively, insightfully and with purpose.
  2. Keep on-topic.
  3. Be respectful at all times, even if the person you're debating against has differing views.
  4. If someone makes a mistake or breaks a rule, give them the benefit of the doubt.
  5. Do not double post.
1. Post constructively, insightfully and with purpose.
Nobody learns anything from reading a post that reads "sasori in a curbstomp" – that sort of posting is meaningless. If all you want to do is throw in a vote, then vote in the thread's poll if it has one. If you're going to reply in a thread, then try to have something meaningful to say on the topic. DO NOT post things such as ‘I agree with user’ repeatedly as that basically adds nothing to the debate. Similarly, posts that simply restate the OP's stipulations/conditions will not be accepted as having sufficient reasoning.

Posts that do not contribute to the discussion at hand or provide insufficient reasoning will be deleted with the message "Please provide more reasoning" or "Non-contributive" and noted down by the moderator. If these types of posts are made by the same user repeatedly, that user will receive a warning and subsequent section ban if they continue.

2. Keep on-topic.
Each thread has a particular purpose - so don't post stuff that has no bearing on the subject. If you have an off-topic question or comment, post it in the conversation thread. If you have a comment or question related to the Konoha Colosseum, post it in the relevant Tournament Discussion Thread in the Konoha Colosseum, or PM Suu or Chainer.

A little bit of 'off-topicness' is acceptable in posts, so long as at least part of the post remains on-topic and relevant to discussions. Of course, people seen to be abusing this leeway will be punished accordingly.

3. Be respectful at all times, even if the person you're debating against has differing views.
If you disagree with another poster's opinion, then respond politely and constructively – do not start insulting the other poster, or treat them with disrespect because of their opinion. If you know that you cannot respond respectfully, then don't respond. DO NOT bait other users, or troll them. If you feel that they are trolling or out of hand then report it or PM a section moderator.

Note that a breach of this rule will lead to a forum-wide ban, not a section ban. Moderators are not obliged to warn before banning. Repeat offenders may even be permanently section banned from the Battledome, determined on a case by case basis by staff.

4. If someone makes a mistake or breaks a rule, give them the benefit of the doubt.
It isn't your place to mock them or call them out for trivial errors. You can explain a significant mistake or broken rule politely, but don't waste an entire post on it – say something on-topic too. If it's something serious, like flaming, please report it to the staff as soon as possible.

5. Do not double post.
Double posting is generally frowned upon in this section, save the Konoha Colosseum and the Conversation Thread. Please try to use the edit button or multi-quote button when posting. Whilst normally not punishable, if done repeatedly, a user may receive a warning for double posting. Where necessary, further action will be decided by staff members.

6. Beware of copyrighted material
The line between "fair use" and "copyright infringement" can be pretty blurry. We've tried our best to come up with a set of guidelines concerning posting/linking copyrighted material. If you're not sure something is allowed, just ask.

YOU'RE ALLOWED TO POST:
  • RAW text and translations
  • A handful of scans or panels in order to back up an argument or add to a discussion
  • GIFs, short videos or screenshots from the anime

YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO POST:
  • Links to illegal host websites for anime and manga content
  • Large chunks of chapters (image albums), episodes (videos), etc.

Check this link for the source policy:

III. Conclusion
Please remember the rules and enjoy the Naruto Battledome. If you have any questions or comments, please PM a section moderator and we’ll try to respond to you as soon as we can.. :hiro
 
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Saru

slave to ambition
Hi everyone!

As many of you may have realized, the NF staff is in the process of discussing the direction of the forum. This thread is a place for everyone here to voice their suggestions and concerns about the direction of the Naruto Battledome in particular. I've transferred some suggestions from the thread here. Feel free to add more.

Suggestions:
  • have more NBD Tournaments
  • have more member contests
  • clean up current stickies (@Bonly what do you mean by this?)
  • make a general consensus tier list
  • section banners
  • ranking system
Concerns:

Bring up any ideas or concerns you have, and I'll add them to the list!
 
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Ishmael

I'm not impressed.
I liked the whole idea of not just having debater of the month but numerous categories an debater can win.

:giogio

Please don't do this. It's ultimately going to used as an argument in debates, and is going to cause a shitstorm if people don't agree with where their characters were placed.

^^^this^^^ people brains will explode and huge arguments and debates will happen im not to concerned about the debating part though.
 
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HandfullofNaruto

when will you return?
^^^this^^^ people brains will explode and huge arguments and debates will happen im not to concerned about the debating part though.
Please don't do this. It's ultimately going to used as an argument in debates, and is going to cause a shitstorm if people don't agree with where their characters were placed.
Nobody uses the General Consensus argument these days & when they do 90% of us ignore it. General Consensus doesn't actually mean anything & we could make that clear when creating this "General Consensus Tier List"
 

Troyse22

Shuts down the Sannin camp
  • have more NBD Tournaments
  • have more member contests
  • clean up current stickies (@Bonly what do you mean by this?)
  • make a general consensus tier list

1. Agree 100%
2. Agree 100%
3. He means (I assume) that there's far too many pinned topics, they currently take up at least half the first page
4. God no. Like others have stated, people will use it as an argument, when sometimes the general consensus is awful (see Minato beats Itachi)
(My suggestions)
5. Most of them are here as i've voiced in the other thread when discussing BD Reconstruction.

6. Mods shouldn't ignore members in PM's because they (the mods) made a mistake

Nobody uses the General Consensus argument these days & when they do 90% of us ignore it. General Consensus doesn't actually mean anything & we could make that clear when creating this "General Consensus Tier List"

You can't deny that people will without a doubt start using general consensus as an argument. And I do see the general consensus argument come up from time to time, it's almost as annoying as Databook Stats argument
 

Ishmael

I'm not impressed.
Hmm..and don't lock good or interesting threads. Threads like posters discussing overrated characters or underrated ones.
 

Sapherosth

One post man
Have more member contests, that's my vote.

The tournament thing is a given, maybe every 2-3 months, but I noticed the longer it went on the more people lost interest.

Some advice for the next tournament -

1. Keep word limit at 500 max for all matches except the final - People can't be asked to read/analyse. Additionally, have people vote for what matches they want to see, so you won't be creating unbalanced/uninteresting matches.

2. Have a clear voting criteria for voters - This creates consistent voting and it tells voters what to look for in an argument (I believe Daviz posted a similar format to what I was thinking in the final match).

3. Participants have to be voted INTO the tournament, so that means that the people who are participating are people who will make the tournament interesting and the people who voted them in will most likely participate in the tournament.


Just some general ideas.
 

HandfullofNaruto

when will you return?
You can't deny that people will without a doubt start using general consensus as an argument. And I do see the general consensus argument come up from time to time, it's almost as annoying as Databook Stats argument
General consensus is relevant if it's in addition to a detailed argument. I'm saying that General Consesus alone as an argument is trash & if anyone tries to use that as their argument 90% of us will ignore it.
 

Parallaxis

Well-Known Member
3. Participants have to be voted INTO the tournament, so that means that the people who are participating are people who will make the tournament interesting and the people who voted them in will most likely participate in the tournament.
This is actually a great idea.
 

Troyse22

Shuts down the Sannin camp
Participants have to be voted INTO the tournament, so that means that the people who are participating are people who will make the tournament interesting and the people who voted them in will most likely participate in the tournament.

I like this as opposed to the first come first serve kinda thing with these tournaments that just wrapped up.
 

Saru

slave to ambition
Members who have proven to consistently utilize logic and manga facts should be branded with some sort of expert identifier.

This is an interesting one. We may actually be able to do something like this in the near future. :hm

We'd have to come up with some qualification criteria though.
 

Puppetry

Well-Known Member
A general consensus tier list would just shift the burden of proof to posters with unusual opinions.

Don't like the tier list? Too bad, now you have to argue against it.
 

ARGUS

The conqueror
Relying on majority opinion and treating it as a valid source is probably one of the worst things to go by.

Why?

1. It prevents proper discussion of any battles

2. It discourages any new opinions or insights to the battle

3. Is avoiding the events of them the manga and just going by popularity.

Majority opinion throughout the forums was that Itachi >> Nagato and EDo madara >> Hashirama.
Clearly terrible ass points, backed up by no evidence which were then refuted by the manga
 

theRonin

Well-Known Member
This is an interesting one. We may actually be able to do something like this in the near future. :hm

We'd have to come up with some qualification criteria though.
Number of votes acquired by the contestants in the NDB debate tournament might be a good start imo.
 

Saru

slave to ambition
On the tier list:

A lot of people probably won't like the idea (myself included), but I wanted to bring it up for discussion nonetheless. Regardless of how I feel, there's a way to go about doing it that doesn't stifle creativity, I think. If the tier list is something broad, like this:

God of Shinobi
[names]

Kage
[names]

Jounin
[names]

Chunin
[names]

Then I think we could work with something. Especially if there's a disclaimer like HoN mentioned. We could also make it a rule not to use the tier list as the sole justification for your argument. Again, not my favorite idea, but these are all options we can take.
 

Bonly

Well-Known Member
I didn't say anything about cleaning up the stickies, at least I don't think so. I just said fixed them like it was before. For example when I post in this thread, this thread is still gonna be the sixth thread down the list. Before hand it would be at the top of the page as it was the thread with the most recent post.
 

DaVizWiz

Well-Known Member
The tier list would obviously be fun for everyone to contribute on for that month or so.

The problem is it does discourage debating, how many threads have we seen lately about ranking individual shinobi?
-Rank Akatuski
-How do you guys rank Muu?
-Top 20 shinobi: is Itachi in it?
-Rank Kisame
-DEIDARA IS STRONGER THAN KISAME AND HERES WHY

The tier list would innately discourage these threads from being made, because the posters need only look at the tier list to see what the consensus is on all shinobi and where they fall in comparison to themselves.

In other words, don't do it.

I have no issue ranking the skills of the individual shinobi and documenting them in a thread though, that's just a way to guage how powerful the section thinks certain shinobi are in certain categories, sort of like an extended databook scoring from all the members on all characters over time, a hopefully more accurate one.

That won't stop certain thrreads from being made in the future, seeing as no one really does skill scoring threads often, and an overall skill score for a shinobi wouldn't dictate where they fall on a tier list, because versatility isn't necessarily power, it takes a much more detailed anaylsis of the shinobi's abilities individually to place them correctly on a tier list.

For instance, Onoki's greatest skills would reside within a Ninjutsu score section, but he is below average at Genjutsu and Taijutsu, that doesn't change the fact that his ninjutsu is so overwhelmingly useful/powerful that he would be ranked higher than a shinobi like MS Kakashi, despite MS Kakashi being adept at all three categories.
 
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Saru

slave to ambition
I didn't say anything about cleaning up the stickies, at least I don't think so. I just said fixed them like it was before. For example when I post in this thread, this thread is still gonna be the sixth thread down the list. Before hand it would be at the top of the page as it was the thread with the most recent post.

Oh, that. I did some fooling around with the stickies, but the intention is to have the rules and guides of the NBD be the first thing on display when new members come to the NBD. I can lower the priority of some of the threads, but I don't think it makes a huge difference since Xenforo lets you see whether something new has been posted in a thread or not (and the stickied threads never have anything new in them, so... ).
 
make a general consensus tier list
Please don't do this. It's ultimately going to used as an argument in debates, and is going to cause a shitstorm if people don't agree with where their characters were placed.
I second this, a general consensus tier list is not the best idea imo, as many have stated, it will simply promote terrible debating, people will hide behind the tier list rather than substantiate their opinions whatsoever.

And again, as others have already pointed out, it limits the types of threads that can be made, like any "Rank X shinobi under Y circumstances" or really any Vs battle thread, most comments in a thread like "Muu Vs Gaara" would simply consist of "refer to consensus list and /thread... gaara stomps because 11 people said so a year ago" or something along those lines.

An agreed upon tier list, while a fun idea for five minutes on paper for sure, discourages overall creativity on the forum in the long run.

have more NBD Tournaments
I like this idea, itd be a nice change of pace, maybe once a month or every two months a new debate tournament of some kind is held.

Members who have proven to consistently utilize logic and manga facts should be branded with some sort of expert identifier.
This seems interesting as well.
 

Saru

slave to ambition
Hmm. I think when some of you think of "tier list," you're thinking of a rigorous ranking list of sorts. However, we could do something like this:

Naruto Battledome General Tier List

This tier list is alphabetical.

God of Shinobi:
Kaguya
Hagoromo
[various characters]

Kage:
[various Kage]
[various Akatsuki]

Jounin:
[various Jounin / arguably Jounin-level shinobi]

Chunin:
[everyone else]

Disclaimer: This tier list is a general guideline, not a final say. Characters from lower tiers may be able to defeat characters from higher tiers and vice versa.

I really don't see how something this broad this discourages thread-making. It might discourage unbalanced thread-making (for example, Deidara vs. Hashirama), but that'd be a good thing, not a bad thing. It's not like people often make threads about or rank characters of a completely different class, like "Neji vs. Tsunade," or "Hiashi vs. Mei." Just playing devil's advocate here.
 

JiraiyaFlash

Satô no Kyoki
We can do a league poll for Naruto chars and we can make legimit tier list about Naruto chars with NF users/posters

NBD Tournaments are great for atraction and couragement.

Also we must exhort/supported the poster who is able to or willing to make fanfictions, respect threads, reviews or detailed argumentary posts.

And all debaters are in the NBD .. No one use General segments

And NF Staff must check out NBD topics more delicately.. I saw topics like there is no location no info none condition none images.. This is must be filtered ..
 

Bonly

Well-Known Member
Oh, that. I did some fooling around with the stickies, but the intention is to have the rules and guides of the NBD be the first thing on display when new members come to the NBD. I can lower the priority of some of the threads, but I don't think it makes a huge difference since Xenforo lets you see whether something new has been posted in a thread or not (and the stickied threads never have anything new in them, so... ).

The way it you put it is fine now, it just didn't make sense to me to have a thread get posted in, and it pop up near the bottom as opposed to the top since that's how it usually worked.
 

DaVizWiz

Well-Known Member
Hmm. I think when some of you think of "tier list," you're thinking of a rigorous ranking list of sorts. However, we could do something like this:



I really don't see how something this broad this discourages thread-making. It might discourage unbalanced thread-making (for example, Deidara vs. Hashirama), but that'd be a good thing, not a bad thing. It's not like people often make threads about or rank characters of a completely different class, like "Neji vs. Tsunade," or "Hiashi vs. Mei." Just playing devil's advocate here.
That discourages people from making ranking threads like the ones I noted.

Even if the general guideline list, which is what you're trying to sell a tier list as, it's still a tier list after all, doesn't affect individual combat matchups.

I like going into a debate where we try to find out where Kisame is ranked, Mu is ranked, and debate on it.

If they've already been debated on by everyone and put into a consensus position on a tier list, those threads don't get made in the future because OP has no reason to put them up when he can already see the consensus on where they're ranked.

Unless you're implying they wouldn't be put in order from strongest to weakest, and the characters were merely randomly put into the 4 classes you presented if we think they belong in that class.

In that case, they aren't really ranked, but merely put at a general level of strength, which is pretty useless when you only have 4 classes IMO, because you'd have a shinobi like Mei in the same class as Killer Bee (Kage Class), which is just absurd.
 
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Saru

slave to ambition
In that case, they aren't really ranked, but merely put at a general level of strength, which is pretty useless when you only have 4 classes IMO, because you'd have a shinobi like Mei in the same class as Killer Bee (Kage Class), which is just absurd.

That's debatable, I think. That's also where the generality comes in. But with any tier list approach, I think generality is superior to specificity to avoid the issues you mentioned.
 

Turrin

玄武
Here's My Idea.

NBD Rankings. The Naruto World has a ranking system from Academy Student to Kage. Why not do the same with the NBD.

We can have two Ranking

Combat-Ranks
Teacher-Ranks

Combat-Ranks:

Academy Student
Genin
Chunin
Special Jonin
Jonin
Kage
Legendary Kage

Teacher-Ranks:

Student
Examiner
Elite Examiner
Sensei
Professor
Sage
Elder Sage

Combat-Ranks can be achieved by getting high placements in major events, while teacher ranks can be achieved by providing quality support to these events. Additionally both a Rank up in both Ranks can be achieved via Monthly Voting (I.E. Replacing Monthly Voting with Rank Up Voting).

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So let me give an example.

Let's say Next Month we have an event called:

Academy Graduation Exam

In this event like Ryu's tournament, but since it's only an Academy Exam we maybe make the event quicker with smaller word count and perhaps absences of rebuttals.

Then let's say 25 people participate. We can award the Top 5 or Top 3 placers with Rank of Genin. Perhaps give the winner the title of Top-Genin or No 1 Genin.

Then at the same time we can have people volunteer to be organizers. These individuals would be required to plan out rounds, tally votes, and produce high quality votes themselves in a certain number of matches. If these individuals perform these tasks aptly, then they will be awarded the title of Examiner at the end of the event. With maybe Examiners voting for MVP, and that person being awarded Top Examiner.


Then maybe next month or two we'd host a similar event.

Then once we have enough people who have the Genin Rank we could host a Chunin Exams, where the match criteria will be more challenging for competitors and therefore more challenging for Organizers to create. With those placing earning the title of Chunin and those examiners doing their job correctly, being promoted to Elite Examiner.

Then in later ranks we can have maybe individual duels and different style events to rank up higher.
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Now Let me explain why I think this would be good for the NBD

1) It would encourage people to participate in NBD Events, for the chance of ranking up and being distinguished as quality posters.

2) It would be a on-going process, considering it would not be easy to achieve the higher ranks, so it would keep traffic into NBD for a long time, not just for 1 or 2 events until people eventually get burned out. We can also eventually add other Ranks later on once enough people have achieved Legendary-Kage and Elder-Sage, so it has growth potential even beyond what I outlined here

3) The duel ranking system would ensure that even after someone became Genin or Examiner, they could participate on the other end to achieve Ranks in that system. I.E. if Empathy wins the tournament and become a Genin, and then we have another Achademy Exams Tournament Next Month, he could than participate as an organizer to earn the rank of Examiner.

4) If we do Rank up voting at the end of the month it would incentivize traffic and quality posting in threads outside the event as you can Rank up by being voted for your posts outside of the main events as well.

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Of course this would require greater refinement and significant planning, but I think that it would be worthwhile for the forum, and if Naruto-Fan pays me I'll organize the whole thing :zaru

But in all seriousness I think it would be a good idea worth exploring
 
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