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Tiers Rank my delusional notions

Perrin

Very Well-Known Member
I have some controversial notions that iv held for a while now that get me shot down and tier specialisted a moderate amount.
From most delusional to least delusional where would people place the following beliefs.

Luffy (like other yonkou) could solo his top three commanders in a pinch (Jinbei, zoro, sanji)
Ace was around Marco level
EoS Sakazuki can solo other three admirals
Roger could solo Big Mom & Kaido
Usopp will defeat an admiral, specifically Kizaru
 

Maruo

Well-Known Member
1. Ace
2. Usopp
3. Roger
4. Luffy
5. Sakazuki

1 has essentially already been deconfirmed
2 is technically possible albeit completely delusional
same with 3 and 4 to lesser extents
5 seems very delusional at first glance, but is one way to make Akainu a relevant foe in the final war
 

Gianfi

Well-Known Member
I have some controversial notions that iv held for a while now that get me shot down and tier specialisted a moderate amount.
From most delusional to least delusional where would people place the following beliefs.

Luffy (like other yonkou) could solo his top three commanders in a pinch (Jinbei, zoro, sanji)
Ace was around Marco level
EoS Sakazuki can solo other three admirals
Roger could solo Big Mom & Kaido
Usopp will defeat an admiral, specifically Kizaru
My god, tier specialist is not enough to describe this level of delusion.

1)Usopp
2)Roger
3)Sakazuki
4)Ace
5)Luffy
 

Perrin

Very Well-Known Member
My god, tier specialist is not enough to describe this level of delusion.

1)Usopp
2)Roger
3)Sakazuki
4)Ace
5)Luffy
Presumably you can request a new reaction from the mods?
Also boo for Usopp being most delusional, my boys gonna get a top tier.
 

Quipchaque

Well-Known Member
I have some controversial notions that iv held for a while now that get me shot down and tier specialisted a moderate amount.
From most delusional to least delusional where would people place the following beliefs.

Luffy (like other yonkou) could solo his top three commanders in a pinch (Jinbei, zoro, sanji)
Ace was around Marco level
EoS Sakazuki can solo other three admirals
Roger could solo Big Mom & Kaido
Usopp will defeat an admiral, specifically Kizaru

Usopp
Roger
Luffy
Sakazuki
Ace
 

Quipchaque

Well-Known Member
No single character can solo two Admirals let alone three.

Nonsense. Admiral is just a navy title when it comes down to it and basically everyone who can fodderize vice-admirals is a valid candidate. You can't honestly tell me vice admiral Doflamingo or vice admiral Katakuri sounds right to you..? Grouped with people like Smoker and Vergo..?
 

Adhominem

Wait but why
All of these are pretty bad except Ace and Roger either of which would not be unfathomable, to a limited extent Usopp is a nigh stomachable notion
 

Lmao

Well-Known Member
You can't honestly tell me vice admiral Doflamingo or vice admiral Katakuri sounds right to you..? Grouped with people like Smoker and Vergo..?
Not all VAs are on the same level, there are nigh-Admiral level VAs (Gion) and there's Bastille/Smoker etc.

Doflamingo and Katakuri would both be VAs with the latter having potential to be promoted later on.
 

oiety

Open-Handed Word
Okay...I think the most likely of these is Usopp, however it's still pretty unlikely.
My reasoning is:
Luffy's soloing seems unlikely because all of these characters are dynamic. At the moment they're all still growing. Luffy probably has the best shot now, before Zoro shows/develops AdCOC and before we see the full extent of Sanji's DNA (or just how strong Jinbe really is in the water, for that matter), but I think by the time they've stopped developing Zoro+Sanji should be enough to secure a win.

Akainu soloing seems unlikely because they're mostly static. I'd wager Sakazuki got a sizable boost in strength after defeating Aokiji, but it doesn't seem like he's done much of anything else since. Given that the Navy is said to have increased in strength over the timeskip, Greenbull and Fuji ought to be at least as strong as the average C3, which pre-TS Akainu should only be a little bit above. Without some ancient weapon tier boost it seems unrealistic that the current Akainu could defeat himself from two years ago 3x over.

When it comes to Ace my thoughts are definitely less feat based and more based on the portrayal that both had (and my headcanon), in Oda deciding that Ace losing to Yami Teach would be the catalyst for Marineford, and that Marco losing to Gura Teach would be the catalyst for Teach becoming a Yonko. In neither case did it seem like either party really gave Teach trouble, so if a stronger Teach was (roughly) equally untroubled by Marco than a weaker Teach was with Ace, I'd have trouble believing they were around the same level. This is apart from Marco looking a lot better against the Admirals than Ace did, as well.

Roger defeating Current Big Mom and Kaido together seems equally unlikely. The only precedence I could imagine for this is God Valley, and while I could see Roger probably defeating a weaker pair of the two, at the moment they're bonafide juggernauts. If Luffy is supposed to reach Roger it seems like it'd be a massive leap for him to literally double (or even more, considering Kaido is "weakened) in power between now and the end of the series.

So overall, from most unlikely to least;
Akainu/Luffy
Ace
Roger (as this one technically may have already happened, just with different versions)
Usopp.

Usopp, imo, depends on how Elbaf turns out. After that we'll have a clearer picture of what his EoS level looks like. I definitely wasn't expecting him to awaken CoO during my first time reading Dressrosa, and now we've even gotten a lie about Conqueror's from him. Usopp, like the aforementioned Luffy section, is a dynamic character, and Oda could still have something big in store for him. The way you word it makes it much more likely, however; "defeat" is much easier to work with than "end up stronger than." Magellan "defeated" the entire Blackbeard crew, and Ceasar "defeated" Luffy. Usopp landing some impossible hakified pop-green or projectile shot and doing ending damage to Kizaru from 20 miles away or something is a thousand times more feasible than him taking him on in a 1v1 and winning.
 
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Perrin

Very Well-Known Member
None .-.

But looking at Ace's popularity, I can see Oda reckoning, i mean, revealing more stuff about him thus making him much stronger
Glad ur on board with Ace.
Wade deeper into the pool to reach usopp vs kizaru enlightenment
 
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