PRIME Orochimaru vs. Kakuzu and Hidan

IMMORTALx1

IMMORTALx1

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Prime oro gets every justu he nows but no Edo Tensai and he nows about the zobie bros.

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Story(more fun) oro wants them to join his army but they disigree and diside to kill him for money then oro dicides they would make great sacrifeces for Edo Tensai of at least Kakazu and do some studies on Hidan.

How i think the fight would go is Oro would summon all those snakes from his mouth to distract Kakazu while Oro use that Justu where summons snakes from his sleeves and holds Hidan and then cuts his head of with the sword by the end of that because we all now that Oro is prety friken fast Kakazu would be done finishing all thos snakes off then Oro would and summon two of those snakes like in the sannin battle wile using his sword and sleeve snakes to DESTROY Kakazu.
 
Hold on there. Kakuzu is going to cast katon: zukkoku immediately here, with no fear for his partner Hidan. The forest will be ash in half a second, and if Orochimaru started with anything involving snakes (which is reasonably likely, depending on the distance) it doesn't matter anymore – they're incinerated. Kakuzu's katon: zukkoku, especially with fūton: atsugai, will annihilate the most massive snake host Orochimaru can create (which he could not create quickly enough to not leave an opening to Hidan – not at talking distance). The combination would be a threat to yamata and Manda.

Kakuzu starts with katon: zukokku, and Hidan attacks through it with his scythe. Orochimaru will survive (no doubt at all), and the environment changes. Play time starts, and Orochimaru no doubt misses the forest – which would play in his favour. It'll be quite close, and Orochimaru can definitely not afford any errors here, and I see him needing to summon Manda. Manda survived katon: gamayu endan and turned it to his advantage, so katon: zukkoku does not spell an end for him.

Using Manda and fighting too will likely not result in a victory for him, but it will waste a lot more of his enemies' chakra than it will of him, and he'll be able to challenge them quite well with the Kusanagi. The fight will survive to a phase after this where Manda is defeated by Kakuzu's attacks, at which point Orochimaru should have sufficient chakra to turn to yamata. The pressure of two very dangerous summons in a row would be immense, and Orochimaru should be able to use the distraction and his intelligence to create an opening and deal some damage – maybe kill one.

Even so, Kakuzu and Hidan working together are going to be hard to attack, Kakuzu is too hard to kill, and his elemental jutsu tend towards annihilating most of Orochimaru's favourite techniques. Orochimaru's chances are not completely insignificant, but I think I favour Kakuzu and Hidan – there's a chance Orochimaru will be forced to use orochi kawarimi right at the start to survive if he lags a little in responding, and that will cost too much chakra, and be his death later on.
 
Serenity said:
Hold on there. Kakuzu is going to cast katon: zukkoku immediately here, with no fear for his partner Hidan. The forest will be ash in half a second, and if Orochimaru started with anything involving snakes (which is reasonably likely, depending on the distance) it doesn't matter anymore ? they're incinerated. Kakuzu's katon: zukkoku, especially with fūton: atsugai, will annihilate the most massive snake host Orochimaru can create (which he could not create quickly enough to not leave an opening to Hidan ? not at talking distance). The combination would be a threat to yamata and Manda.

Kakuzu starts with katon: zukokku, and Hidan attacks through it with his scythe. Orochimaru will survive (no doubt at all), and the environment changes. Play time starts, and Orochimaru no doubt misses the forest ? which would play in his favour. It'll be quite close, and Orochimaru can definitely not afford any errors here, and I see him needing to summon Manda. Manda survived katon: gamayu endan and turned it to his advantage, so katon: zukkoku does not spell an end for him.

Using Manda and fighting too will likely not result in a victory for him, but it will waste a lot more of his enemies' chakra than it will of him, and he'll be able to challenge them quite well with the Kusanagi. The fight will survive to a phase after this where Manda is defeated by Kakuzu's attacks, at which point Orochimaru should have sufficient chakra to turn to yamata. The pressure of two very dangerous summons in a row would be immense, and Orochimaru should be able to use the distraction and his intelligence to create an opening and deal some damage ? maybe kill one.

Even so, Kakuzu and Hidan working together are going to be hard to attack, Kakuzu is too hard to kill, and his elemental jutsu tend towards annihilating most of Orochimaru's favourite techniques. Orochimaru's chances are not completely insignificant, but I think I favour Kakuzu and Hidan ? there's a chance Orochimaru will be forced to use orochi kawarimi right at the start to survive if he lags a little in responding, and that will cost too much chakra, and be his death later on.
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I read your post but im not sure if you said this Hidan dies but Hidan sucks once you now his abilitys Hidan would die by Manda and then Kakuzu after having to get Oro to the point of bring him out then killing the snake beast i dont care how strong you are you gonna be out of chakra and Oro always seems to have chakra so im guesing he as a lot so i think Kakuzu would pass out in your therey.
 
IMMORTALx1 said:
I read your post but im not sure if you said this Hidan dies but Hidan sucks once you now his abilitys Hidan would die by Manda and then Kakuzu after having to get Oro to the point of bring him out then killing the snake beast i dont care how strong you are you gonna be out of chakra and Oro always seems to have chakra so im guesing he as a lot so i think Kakuzu would pass out in your therey.
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Orochimaru has a lot of chakra, but I don't think it's too likely that he has much more than Kakuzu. I'd rate them about equal, but Kakuzu having potentially a significant amount more. I think Orochimaru can force Kakuzu to use up chakra faster than he is, though ? not easily though, and not if he's forced to use orochi kawarimi early. Hidan's not all that weak, too, and I don't think Manda would actually kill him. More create a platform from which he could be finished off, but even then I think he'd stay alive until later.
 
Serenity said:
Orochimaru has a lot of chakra, but I don't think it's too likely that he has much more than Kakuzu. I'd rate them about equal, but Kakuzu having potentially a significant amount more. I think Orochimaru can force Kakuzu to use up chakra faster than he is, though ? not easily though, and not if he's forced to use orochi kawarimi early. Hidan's not all that weak, too, and I don't think Manda would actually kill him. More create a platform from which he could be finished off, but even then I think he'd stay alive until later.
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Ok ok to end this discushion i then think at the VERY end he would use the new Hydra summon or Justu watever it is but its supposed to be his strongest move beside Edo Tensai.
 
You might be right that with yamata he can turn the tables and finish them off. Depends how strong yamata is, which is a bit hard to say since we only saw it against susano'o and Totsuka – it could be really powerful or quite insignificant. I tend to think of it as a very good platform for surprise attacks from underground.
 
Serenity said:
You might be right that with yamata he can turn the tables and finish them off. Depends how strong yamata is, which is a bit hard to say since we only saw it against susano'o and Totsuka ? it could be really powerful or quite insignificant. I tend to think of it as a very good platform for surprise attacks from underground.
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Wait i have a quetion for you I thought Hydra was somthing else then Yamata im very confused.
 
Nah, yamata is hydra. Hydra's an odd word to have been picked by translators, as it's not a translation – it's a different beast altogether (literally, from mythology). The European "hydra" and yamata no orochi are kinda' similar creatures though, so in translating from Japanese to English they chose to relative it to a creature we knew better.
 
Serenity said:
Nah, yamata is hydra. Hydra's an odd word to have been picked by translators, as it's not a translation ? it's a different beast altogether (literally, from mythology). The European "hydra" and yamata no orochi are kinda' similar creatures though, so in translating from Japanese to English they chose to relative it to a creature we knew better.
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Oh thnx nice to now.
 
If Hidan can kill summons with his ability, the Zombie Brothers take it. Otherwise, Oro gets this with Manda and Kusanagi alone- I doubt Kakuzu's Kakashi-height flames will do enough to him.
 
I think Hidan is a bit out-classed in this fight. If Oro can manage to dismember Hidan quickly it should be a pretty even battle. Kakuzu is highly dangerous, but I'm not sure if Oro is truly able to die by just using elemental jutsu. Its a tough call, Kakuzu has 5 hearts which would seriously cause issues for Orochimaru, but then again we have witnessed Oro survive a shitload of lethal injuries too. I'm gonna say Kakuzu and Hidan for the hell of it.
 
littlebeep said:
If Hidan can kill summons with his ability, the Zombie Brothers take it. Otherwise, Oro gets this with Manda and Kusanagi alone- I doubt Kakuzu's Kakashi-height flames will do enough to him.
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Good point, actually! I hadn't thought of Hidan using his ritual to take down summons, and it's a point in their favour. Not sure how easily Manda bleeds, but it's worth mentioning. Since you had a thought I hadn't come up with, +reputation it is! (If I'm not out yet.)

hockeyguy33 said:
I think Hidan is a bit out-classed in this fight. If Oro can manage to dismember Hidan quickly it should be a pretty even battle.
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I agree that Hidan's outclassed, but I don't know if he will really end up dying quickly. I see him as outclassed, but still lasting quite a long time thanks to immortality and Kakuzu's back-up.
 
Serenity said:
Hold on there. Kakuzu is going to cast katon: zukkoku immediately here, with no fear for his partner Hidan. The forest will be ash in half a second, and if Orochimaru started with anything involving snakes (which is reasonably likely, depending on the distance) it doesn't matter anymore ? they're incinerated. Kakuzu's katon: zukkoku, especially with fūton: atsugai, will annihilate the most massive snake host Orochimaru can create (which he could not create quickly enough to not leave an opening to Hidan ? not at talking distance). The combination would be a threat to yamata and Manda.

Kakuzu starts with katon: zukokku, and Hidan attacks through it with his scythe. Orochimaru will survive (no doubt at all), and the environment changes. Play time starts, and Orochimaru no doubt misses the forest ? which would play in his favour. It'll be quite close, and Orochimaru can definitely not afford any errors here, and I see him needing to summon Manda. Manda survived katon: gamayu endan and turned it to his advantage, so katon: zukkoku does not spell an end for him.

Using Manda and fighting too will likely not result in a victory for him, but it will waste a lot more of his enemies' chakra than it will of him, and he'll be able to challenge them quite well with the Kusanagi. The fight will survive to a phase after this where Manda is defeated by Kakuzu's attacks, at which point Orochimaru should have sufficient chakra to turn to yamata. The pressure of two very dangerous summons in a row would be immense, and Orochimaru should be able to use the distraction and his intelligence to create an opening and deal some damage ? maybe kill one.

Even so, Kakuzu and Hidan working together are going to be hard to attack, Kakuzu is too hard to kill, and his elemental jutsu tend towards annihilating most of Orochimaru's favourite techniques. Orochimaru's chances are not completely insignificant, but I think I favour Kakuzu and Hidan ? there's a chance Orochimaru will be forced to use orochi kawarimi right at the start to survive if he lags a little in responding, and that will cost too much chakra, and be his death later on.
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I just thought of this when you said that Kakazu would light the battlfield in flames or somthing to that caliber i remberd his 3 huge ass shields and i really doght that any of ther justu's can brake that and that would give Oro a gould quick counter attack.
 
I don't see Manda dying so easily to Kakuzu's attacks. He avoided Jiraiya's FAR MORE powerful Katon with relative ease.



Hidan..piercing Manda's skin??? He will be ripped apart if he tries to fight Manda..and made useless in my opinion.


Nevertheless, this would be a very close fight. I think Manda is being underestimated here though; he is extremely powerful. Even if he cannot pierce Kakuzu's doton skin, he will definitely knock him around; giving Orochimaru an opening for Kusanagi. Even Chouji was able to send Kakuzu flying.

Basically, I see Hidan as a nonfactor here; as he will not be able to damage Orochimaru's stronger summons. I doubt he can even HIT Orochimaru to get his blood.
 
I basically agree with you, Empirejoao, but I'm not sure about Orochimaru being able to finish it off. The point we disagree on, I think, is Manda's power – I see Manda as eventually being defeated, and being more useful for helping Orochimaru attack (as you said, producing openings) than actually attacking. That said, with Manda and the potential for yamata I'm changing my mind towards Orochimaru having the better chance.
 
How many summons is Hidan gonna kill? It just hit me (actually for sometime now) that Oro is the only other character who can almost spam summons like Pein does. The difference is that Pein's summons not only increase in quantity but also in variety and Oro spams only snakes.

Second point is that even Oro's weaker fodder snakes (not even the larger ones like the ones summoned by the sand + sound guys to smash konoha) were strong enough to hold down Enma. And Enma himself fared quite well against zombie Shodai and Nidaime in terms of physical strength.

Now given that, while Oro's lesser snake summons (other than Manda) can potentially be very destructive for Hidan, they will be mowed down by Kakuzu. Why? Because Kakuzu himself has almost snake like weapons - his threads. Exception being that Kakuzu's threads appear to be much stronger/tougher than the snakes. Moreover, kakuzu's phsysical strength was insane and I believe the lesser snake summons won't do much. And I haven't even got to his elemental blasts and defense?


Bottomline: I don't believe Hidan will contribute much by taking down a massive spam of snake summons from Oro. He has to directly draw blood from Oro himself somehow (not an easy feat). Also by any chance if he draws blood from Manda and then stabs himself, i am not sure how much that will affect Manda. For a creature that size, I am speculating the internal organs will be quite massive to dismiss Hidan's stabbing as a needle prick. I wonder if the victim's organs have to be of a size comparable to Hidan's own organs for him to deal the fatal blow.

The main threat is really Kakuzu.
 
I think people are forgetting that the biggest strength that Hidan and Kakuzu had is Kakuzu's ability to attack in combination with Hidan. In other words, they won't separate from each other unless they are forced to which I can't see Oro being able to do on his own.

When it comes to attacking as a combination, Hidan and Kakuzu are pretty much flawless. Hidan may very well be outclassed by Oro (but not by as much as people think, he still requires great effort to immobilize and they're roughly similar in taijutsu) but, and this is a big but, Kakuzu most definately isn't outclassed based on what we've seen.

Even with the summons, I don't see them separating seen as I can't see any of Oro's summons being able to force them to abandon working in combination or ultimately take the combination down.

I just can't see Oro winning this, the poison from his white snake mode may be his best bet against these two. Kakuzu is the main threat but Oro can't just dismiss Hidan because given the chance he can make all of Oro's regen powers and his general difficulty to kill count for nothing.

What you have to remember is these two aren't normal whichever way you put it. Killing someone that's on a similar level as you 5 times is hard enough without worrying all the battle not to give his partner, who by the way can't be killed, a single opportunity to get a drop of your blood be it from a single scratch or whatever. This is made all the more difficult for Oro when all their attacks come in combinations of taijutsu and potentially combined elemental blasts and especially because their taijutsu is similar to his level of taijutsu and the use of elementals they'll use far exceeds his own from what we've seen.
 
I actually see Manda or yamata no Orochi, plus Orochimaru's attacking with the Kusanagi from underground, being enough to force the two apart at times, Rubicon. And he doesn't really need to kill Kakuzu five times, nor is he unable to finish off Hidan. Kusanagi can cut something off Hidan that he'll miss terribly, and might be able to pierce Kakuzu's brain. Even if he can only take one heart down for Kakuzu at a time, once he realises that he'll just use the opening Kakuzu provides by briefly dying.

In classic shoot-'em-up games, there's a strategy called camping. Kakuzu is "respawning" in a pretty obvious location, after all.
 
Oro takes this.

Summons 3 Rashoumon Gates to protect him/forest from Kakuzu's initial Elemental barrage. In the safety of the gates he will summon Manda and Yamata. This is where it gets intersting. He'll set Manda on Hidan and Yamata on Kakuzu.

Why?

Well first off Manda should easily handle Hidan since I doubt Hidan could draw Manda's blood which is basically the only way he would win. While Manda is rapestomping Hidan Yamata would be attacking Kakuzu with Orochimaru (Kusanagai in hand) attacking from beneath. Kakuzu wouldn't be be able to take out Yamata quickly enough due to its multiple heads and with Oro attacking I reckon he could only get a couple Justu off.

The Manda vs Hidan fight would be over pretty quickly I reckon and Manda would come to help Oro/Yamata. With two bad-ass summons and an S-Rank shinobi on him, I doubt Kakuzu could win, although he might take out Manda or Yamata.

Oro takes this.
 
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