Pain maybe stronger than Mardara!!!!

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muishot

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I believe Pain is stronger than Mardara. The reason that Pein is being ordered around by Mardara not because Mardara is stronger than him but rather it is like a mentor ordered his disciple.

Pein was a very pure and innocent kid who was lost. He has no sense of direction after Jiriaya left He didn't know what he want or what to do until he met up with Mardara. And Mardara is like one of those opportunist who only want to use this great power (Pein) to fulfill his own selfish agenda. So he became Pein's mentor and told Pein propaganda and ideals that would turn someone as innocent as Nagato into and Idealist Pein. And Pein did say something like "the sky is crying" when Mardara came to order Pein to capture Naruto and reveal his plan. Pein seems a bit sad at the evil of Mardara.

This is also why I am very disappointed with Jiriaya and believe that he deserve to die like he did. I don't understand why he chose to leave Nagato and his friends (3 orphans) on their own when he can just easily bring them back to the village and raise them as one of Konoha's own. With their strength and talents would only make Konoha's stronger.
 
He might be, actually its a pretty good chance that Pein is stronger then Madara. Though it seems Madara does have some influence over Pein dosent exactly mean he's stronger then him. Madara has control over Kyuubi but everyone knows that if he didnt have that control Madara would have got rape stomped by it.
 
IntellectualxShinobi said:
Madara > Pein, the rinnegan's introduction was filler. :zaru
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How can the rinnegain be a filler when it is introduce to be the strongest doujutsu? As of right now, Pein is still alive and well. If he is dead, then I agree that the Rinnegain is fail or filler. And we still don't know what Pein is capable of. How the heck did he able to bring back not one but three dead ninjas that Jiriaya's just killed as if nothing had happen? It could have something to do with his eyes. And how is he able to use other ninjas like they are him? Sasori couldn't do it with his human puppets. Kakuzu is the same thing. Even Orochimaru's edo tensei is not as complete as Pein's body snatcher technique or whatever. So maybe Pein could in the future obtain more powerful bodies like Jiriaya and use him to fight for as long as he wants. He can keep revive Jiriaya's body to keep fighting for him. And he has a ton of chakra.
 
Jiraiya said it was said to be the strongest Doujoutsu. BUt then again he didnt know about the MS, and probably only a few people alive know about it^^
 
Sasuke said:
Sub-villain being stronger than the final villain? nonsense.
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How do you know that he is a sub villain? How do you know that Mardara is a final villain?

As of right now, Mardara is an obstacle that Sasuke must overcome. He is Sasuke's opponent. We all know that the final villain always the main character's last obstacle. To be honest, I don't think neither Pein or Mardara is a final villain.
 
I Think he is, especially since Madara is just a weak cripple (as they say).

But then again, Stronger doesn't mean better.
 
Sasuke said:
Sub-villain being stronger than the final villain? nonsense.
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This is the problem. Chances are that Madara is the final villain. He has connections to most characters and is the structure of the plot. It wouldn't make sense to make him weaker than another villain if he is the last obstacle the Naruto characters are supposed to overcome. The last obstacle should be the greatest.
 
kingcools said:
Jiraiya said it was said to be the strongest Doujoutsu. BUt then again he didnt know about the MS, and probably only a few people alive know about it^^
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Jiriaya is a very knowledgeable person. He may not know anything about MS but then again he could know a whole lot about MS. Why Mardara used MS to control other clans. He formed the village of Konoha with Shodai who is Sarutobi's teacher. And Shodai fought with MS Mardara and won. So maybe Jiriaya knows something about it.
 
Madara shaped the narutoverse as we know it.

His ties to both of the main characters are too strong to make him anything but the final villain.
 
muishot said:
How do you know that he is a sub villain? How do you know that Mardara is a final villain?

As of right now, Mardara is an obstacle that Sasuke must overcome. He is Sasuke's opponent. We all know that the final villain always the main character's last obstacle. To be honest, I don't think neither Pein or Mardara is a final villain.
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He is an obstacle for both Naruto and Sasuke. Naruto doesn't know anything about it yet himself, but we already know from Jiraiya that Madara summoned the Kyuubi and made it attack Konoha. This attack resulted in Minato sacrificing his life to seal it within Naruto, with thus caused the terrible childhood he got. Once Naruto realizes that all that, in addition to things such as the founding of Akatsuki and the Uchiha Massacre also being his doing, he'll have all the reason he needs to fight Madara and will not let Sasuke hog the fight (thus forcing Sasuke to finally get the lesson in teamwork and the power of bonds that he needs).

No one else is an obstacle for both Naruto and Sasuke, save Kabuto, who definitely won't be the final villain due to the low popularity of Orochimaru and no real connection to Naruto or Sasuke on the level of Madara; just the desire to fight them. Madara does though; he has connections to both characters on a very deep level and both have the reason to fight him. Since this isn't the case for anyone else, Madara is the logical choice to be the final villain.

kingcools said:
Jiraiya said it was said to be the strongest Doujoutsu. BUt then again he didnt know about the MS, and probably only a few people alive know about it^^
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Indeed. And now we find out that there's the EMS as well, which only Madara, Itachi, and Sasuke seem to know about right now. So, with it being such a closely kept secret of the Uchiha clan, it's quite easy to see how the Rinnegan would have wrongly been assumed by the majority of people to be the strongest doujutsu.

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muishot said:
Jiriaya is a very knowledgeable person. He may not know anything about MS but then again he could know a whole lot about MS. Why Mardara used MS to control other clans. He formed the village of Konoha with Shodai who is Sarutobi's teacher. And Shodai fought with MS Mardara and won. So maybe Jiriaya knows something about it.
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See: Jiraiya vs. Itachi. He didn't have a clue about MS, or Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu. It's very unlikely that he really knows that much about it, much less the EMS.
 
Whatever interaction Pein and Madara have can not be used as an indicator of anything. Rin'negan appears to be the power of god and heavenly glory, so this is greatly in his favor. Peins battle with Jiraiya left much to be desired though, I am starting to doubt his ability and godly hype. He has 6 bodies... he needs 6 bodies to compete with a man with 1 body... :facepalm. Madara is far greater a shinobi then Jiraiya, and if he had 6 bodies I do not think Pein would last very long.
 
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the box said:
yes madara ? oh wait thats right madara is filler he hasent done jack sqaut in this manga but lost
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Perhaps. He would be an underdog villain because of his losses. But isn't that familiar? There's someone else in this manga series that Kishimoto loves to treat as an underdog; the main character himself, Uzumaki Naruto. If you can have an underdog hero like Naruto, then why not an underdog villain as well? Seems logical enough.

Besies, this isn't true at all. Madara has, in his lifetime:
-Founded the Uchiha clan
-Obtained the EMS.
-Founded Konoha
-Founded Akatsuki
-Caused the Kyuubi attack.
-Caused the Uchiha Massacre.

Seems like quite an impressive list of achievements to me; much more than any other potential final villain candidate. He's had his losses, but his achievements more than make up for that.
 
muishot said:
Jiriaya is a very knowledgeable person. He may not know anything about MS but then again he could know a whole lot about MS. Why Mardara used MS to control other clans. He formed the village of Konoha with Shodai who is Sarutobi's teacher. And Shodai fought with MS Mardara and won. So maybe Jiriaya knows something about it.
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He, at least, did NOT know Amaterasu, as he was wondering what that black flame was
 
Remember When they were In Kakashi's bedside becuase after he Used the MS. They were talking about The Akatsuki leader has to be Strong enough to keep the members controlled.So i would Say Mandara
 
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i thought about this earlier. but the only way pain can actually be stronger than madara IMO is if hes still got his Og body and uses it. those 6 pains aint strong enough, not by a long shot.
 
Pein has the strongest doujutsu, Rinnegan but Madara has EMS and a shit load of experience, so Madara wins but only because his ooooolder.
 
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