[OP] Is Wano the worst war arc in manga?

This is the worst war arc you’ve ever read

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 28.0%
  • No

    Votes: 36 72.0%

  • Total voters
    50

MartyMcFly1

Danger is my middle name!
Bleach’s TYBW arc was a mess in my opinion. The powers would be like:

“This is my ultimate power called red, you’re wearing all red so your power is futile against me”

“Little did you realize, my hidden Quincy power called ‘red into blue’ turns everything red into blue, so now your power no longer works against me!”
Over and over for every fight.

The final Naruto war was cool at times, but nobody really got any shine aside from Team 7 and Gai, Neji’s death was absurd and a host of other problems. Madara should have been the final antagonist.

Don’t even get me started on Fairy Tail (Diet gluten free One Piece) and 7 Deadly Sins

Onigashima clears all of them by a mile.

I did like the last MHA war arc but Hori always fails to give the protagonists any meaningful losses, he could have done much more post war. That should have been the Marineford of MHA. The current war is cool, but it seems like he’s rushing to conclude the series.
 
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convict

He who Greets with Fire
Moderator
Fairy Tail and Katekyo Hitman Reborn were bad but I never felt personally offended by them like I did with NNT. I don't know why maybe because it started better and promised so much more than them?
 

Draco Bolton

Well-Known Member
Never really visit the AoT thread but I always was curious about your opinion on how they handled Eren in the final chapter (as an Eren Stan myself :gglife)
:catsadfeels

139 Eren is probably top 2 worst MC in all fiction when before that whole debacle (when The Hackyama decided to ruin everything to pander alliancekeks & EMsisters) he was a top MC :pepohug

Everything is not logical with 139 Eren

Spoiler:
The reveal of Eren's plan contradicts what he's said about his motivations throughout the entire series, including what he said of his plan and what we were shown of his own thoughts in 130 and 131. That shouldn't be possible. You can't make a character lie in their own head.

After such consistent characterization throughout the series, Eren's entire character did a 180 in the final chapter. This ending validated all the outlandish beliefs fans had about Eren that were never true before, such as Eren wanting to become the world's enemy to be defeated, or him not doing things according to his free will, or him being madly in love with Mikasa.

Eren erasing his friends' memories goes against his belief that the opposite of freedom is ignorance and it shouldn't even be possible to do that in the case of Mikasa since she's an Ackerman.

Eren killing his own mother is a terrible twist. We already had a reason why Dina went to Carla. Making Eren control Dina adds absolutely nothing to the story and makes him the source of his own suffering for no reason. This twist exists for nothing other than to shock the audience by damaging Eren's character.

Eren's conversation with Reiner in chapter 100 about his mother's death holds no weight anymore because now Eren was the one responsible for that and he made Reiner have a breakdown for no reason.

It's a big plot point throughout the series that Mikasa never understood Eren. She always saw an idealized version of Eren that only existed in her head. She even admitted this herself. But this ending now turns Eren into everything Mikasa fantasized about.


And that's only 1% of what's wrong with 139 and Fumbling arc :wellshit :pepohug

The only thing that still holds me to this manga is the probability (very low but possible considering some hints and theories. It would explain that fiasco) of an Anime Only Ending
 

gunchar

Well-Known Member
Wano was pretty bad, but there are especially in (Fighting-)Shounen manga way too many terrible War arcs for Wano to be the worst.

:catsadfeels

139 Eren is probably top 2 worst MC in all fiction when before that whole debacle (when The Hackyama decided to ruin everything to pander alliancekeks & EMsisters) he was a top MC :pepohug


Eren is not even remotely the worst MC in manga let alone all fiction, and was before not even remotely a Top MC in manga let alone all fiction.
 
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jesusus

Freedom of Will
One Piece will never receive universal criticism for its final stretch of arcs unlike all the other shonens. It is immune somehow, it's too popular.

Reddit/Twitter will continue to deepthroat fodder scenes like Raizo putting out a fire, and its literary depth, and kiss the twerking ass of Oden harder than Roger/WB/Rayleigh/Akainu/BB/all of fiction/etc. did in those flashbacks. :jesuschrist

I'm convinced if Oda had the power, Oden would be in every flashback, real or fictional. Like if I was remembering my morning cereal, Oden would be there, and I would stop eating said cereal and start praising his twerking ass. :pepecry

Only the likes of Baseth and the Elder Ones have the power to be immune to such a gary stu.
 

Brian

          
I didn't even think of AOT's war on Eren :monkaS must have pushed it to the back of my memory :tearspepe
 

Breadman

#1 Kale Fan
TYBW has meaningful deaths and lots of worldbuilding and lore which is pivotal for the story. We went to some dark as hell places as well that felt fitting for a war. Plus Ichigo doesn't become a big insufferable baby unlike Nardo and Eren Yaegerbombastic. :tearesa

We also got the thiccest lightning booty and booba out the window at all times. :obamabury

TYBW CLEARS. :hhh

The Wano arc aint great, but it's also not the worst. It's just an average One Piece arc, which in of itself is okay. It's a bit unfair to compare it to these other war arcs because the others from FT, NNT, AOT, and Bleach are all final arcs. This is merely the final hurdle before the final saga of One Piece.
 

Keishin

Well-Known Member
Everyone on this thread just shits on NNT without logic or reason. Just because the Demon King fight was stretched doesn't make the content itself bad.
 

OmniOmega

Well-Known Member
Wano is a bad arc yeah. But worst in manga? You can prob find some other arcs that suck total ass compared to Wano.
 

Amol

Chief of Wisdom
Is randomly pretending One Piece is the worst is in fashion or something?
I have been noticing that in this section since some time. Some history revisionism is going on here.

I mean sure Wano has lot of problem(one being Oda's inability to reduce pointless fluff from the arc thus making it bit bloated) but boy people over exaggerate it's so called badness.

Wano overall was enjoyable. It didn't hold up to what Oda had promised it to be but it is nowhere near being the worst. It still has more good than bad.
 

Keishin

Well-Known Member
Is randomly pretending One Piece is the worst is in fashion or something?
I have been noticing that in this section since some time. Some history revisionism is going on here.

I mean sure Wano has lot of problem(one being Oda's inability to reduce pointless fluff from the arc thus making it bit bloated) but boy people over exaggerate it's so called badness.

Wano overall was enjoyable. It didn't hold up to what Oda had promised it to be but it is nowhere near being the worst. It still has more good than bad.
Fairy Tail is enjoyable too.
 

Tenma

hindsight is 2020
Wano has problems and didn't quite live up to the hype in several areas but it is a generally sound and solid narrative because Oda is a competent storyteller if nothing else. :kanyeshrug

TYBW, Nardo final war, Taizai's New Holy War etc are all worse 'cause they fail at basic storytelling elements beyond 'Kaido wasn't as cool as I hoped' or 'I wanted Drake to win a fight'.
 

Keishin

Well-Known Member
Wano has problems and didn't quite live up to the hype in several areas but it is a generally sound and solid narrative because Oda is a competent storyteller if nothing else. :kanyeshrug

TYBW, Nardo final war, Taizai's New Holy War etc are all worse 'cause they fail at basic storytelling elements beyond 'Kaido wasn't as cool as I hoped' or 'I wanted Drake to win a fight'.
There's more to those arcs than hype. it's more akin to characters reminiscenting about the past (showing how far the story has progressed) and showing bit of character development and then power up to defeat their opponent. so you're going to have to make a better case than that to prove your point.
 

Tenma

hindsight is 2020
There's more to those arcs than hype. it's more akin to characters reminiscenting about the past (showing how far the story has progressed) and showing bit of character development and then power up to defeat their opponent. so you're going to have to make a better case than that to prove your point.

What does that have to do with what I said? :catroll
 

Brian

          
We should pit all these completed shounen war arcs against each other in a battle to the death :pepethink

Marineford
Wano
TYBW
Great Ninja War
Attack on Eren
Gintama's
Magi's
NNT's (apparently pedo?) war
Does Fairy Tail even have a war?
 

Keishin

Well-Known Member
What does that have to do with what I said? :catroll
You said that "OP is more than 'it's just lit'"

Well so are those arcs... since while the characters beat up their opponents and have hype fights they also have a theme for that fight, such as surpassing the older generation, dealing with sins of the past or rematch fights where the heroes finally win.
 

Keishin

Well-Known Member
We should pit all these completed shounen war arcs against each other in a battle to the death :pepethink

Marineford
Wano
TYBW
Great Ninja War
Attack on Eren
Gintama's
Magi's
NNT's (apparently pedo?) war
Does Fairy Tail even have a war?
Yes Fairy Tail's final arc was also a 100+ chapter war arc.
 

Tenma

hindsight is 2020
You said that "OP is more than 'it's just lit'"

Well so are those arcs... since while the characters beat up their opponents and have hype fights they also have a theme for that fight, such as surpassing the older generation, dealing with sins of the past or rematch fights where the heroes finally win.

I was referring to the complaints about Wano (ie about Kaido and Drake) :skully

which mostly revolved around characters not being/doing what they hoped they would be.

The problems in say Nardo's final war for example go deeper than that
 

Breadman

#1 Kale Fan
I will say it's annoying how people talk about "Roof Piece" as if those chapters were any different from anything else that happened in that arc or the series.
 

OmniOmega

Well-Known Member
All of these arcs are bad. First and foremost
Black Clovers War Arc > Great Ninja War > Wano > TYBW >> MHA War > 7DS

The Supernovas and Strawhats (Excluding Luffy) are the worst parts of Wano. Kaido and Big Mom are also extremely underwhelming. The best parts being Oden's flashback, the scabbards, Orochi, Tama, and Toko.

7DS Final Arc's saving grace is being a segue to the King Arthur sequel.

Black Clover's War arc had a lot of highs and was a good segue to its final arc.

Outside of that most of these arcs aren't that good.
 

Aegon Targaryen

The ''King'' of Inventors
Wano has problems and didn't quite live up to the hype in several areas but it is a generally sound and solid narrative because Oda is a competent storyteller if nothing else. :kanyeshrug

TYBW, Nardo final war, Taizai's New Holy War etc are all worse 'cause they fail at basic storytelling elements beyond 'Kaido wasn't as cool as I hoped' or 'I wanted Drake to win a fight'.

All of the Naruto War Arc villains had a more satisfying defeat, Kabuto included, and even the weird left field turns felt more organic than Luffy being "Nika". Kabuto was also a better villain than Claydough with better fleshed out motives too, lol.
 
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