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Old Garp and Old (Healthy) Whitebeard vs Kaido and Big Mom

oiety

Bull's Eye View
Location: Onigashima.
Knowledge: None.
Mindset: Bloodlusted.
Distance: 10.1010 meters.
Restrictions: None.
Stipulations: Whitebeard isn't sick, so no heart-attacks.
 
If Whitebeard is not having heart attacks, then it's a close match. I'll give it to Kaido and Big Mom since I'm assuming they can spam hakai over and over again, that was a crazy combo attack. :lmao

Kaido and Mom for very high difficulty. It's a close match.
 

AmitDS

Well-Known Member
I think it can go either way because we don't know how weaker Old Garp is than Prime Garp, if at all, and it seems that WB's issue was more so his illness than his age. If the old men are sig. weaker than their prime then they lose, if they are a bit weaker, they may struggle for a win or just as easily lose & if they are the same as their prime, they win extreme diff.
 

Yonko RedHair Shanks

Well-Known Member
~Garp went flying and was wounded ending up in bandages by a pre-skip-haki-less Luffy hit.
~Dadan hit him with a piece of wood and dragged him a few meters and of course wounded him.
~Morgan wounded him with a non-CoAted axe.
Imagine Kaido and BM hit him seriously.:obamabury

~When Prime Garp and Don Chinjao collided the sky didn't split and Garp sweated and gritted his teeth. Garp's only weapon would be the advanced CoA something that is not enough for Kaido.
And Whitebeard couldn't take on two Yonko together.
Kaido and BM win hands down.
 

VileNotice

Well-Known Member
Yeah Garp drags down his team too much even if old healthy WB would extreme diff Kaido or BM on his own. I have him as weaker than all the pre-skip admirals besides Sengoku.
 

Nox

***
As far as I am concerned, within the Top Tiers. The subdivisions were/are

WSM - WSC
Emperor - Admiral - WSS
Old Legends

Old Legends are Admiral level BUT these old ass niggas were lamenting their declining strength. Sengoku, Garp literary retired because they accept it was past their time. Rayleigh huffs minutes into his Kizaru encounter and decries his lost strength. Whitebeard had Strongest Man, Pirates and Man Closest to One Piece. There's Five character statements which supported his position. If anyone can match his individual fighting prowess, it'd be the man whose the alleged premier fighter. The other active Emperors, Admirals and Mihawk are next. All those characters are in their Prime and we've recieved indication of their contention. For this fight, I'm learning towards Emperors as they've got better Synergy. Its basically theirs to lose.

Spoiler:
[ I'll save you the time. Marco regenerates from Magu and Pika aka elemental oriented attacks. Garp punched him with Physical/Haki blow. You can see it again in Wano, where Linlin Physically Dominates him but decries lacking "Souls" to fight him. Again against King/Queen he's battered from Physical Blows but has no issues blocking/intercepting Lunarian Fire attacks. Garp stating he'd kill Akainu who'd been fighting Whitebeard means isn't proof of their Parity. Garp acknowledged WB's status within the verse, they're not equal. ]
 

MYJC

Cunning Linguist
Kaido and Big Mom win. I think this is a matchup where the age disadvantage makes the difference.

Both Garp and WB are explicity stated to be weaker than they used to be. Neither Kaido or BM have been. Basically Garp and WB wil tire out.
 

Eustathios

Well-Known Member
Old legends win.

WB is stronger than either Kaido and Big Mom. Garp is on the same level as them. Hakai can be countered through the quake fruit now that WB is healthy and doesn't need to worry about his crewmates. Around very high-extreme diff.
 

Mihawk

Warrior of Asgard
Whitebeard solo’s

Glad to see you've seen the light bro

WSM ( notice how this pussy needs to exclude women to even have a claim to a title)

Notice how the pussy WSC needs to exclude humans to even have a claim for his title. Not only is he afraid of the Scabbards (evident from screaming in pain like a little weiner) and Oden the tik tok twerk specialist; but he also needs to limit his competition to the likes of Zunisha the overgrown elephant relic, Lor D. Coast (the bane of Higuma whose status with Kaido is still in dispute), the snake from Skypiea, the PH dragon, Zoro's real teacher the Baboons, and the cowardly sea cow Momoo.
 

Zoro

Most Talented General
Whitebeard babyshakes Kaido and fuck up his innards with earthquakes.

Garp sent Meme packing with his fists.

even if the matchup changes, Garp still lays the beatdown on Kaido.
 

Yonko RedHair Shanks

Well-Known Member
Old legends win.

WB is stronger than either Kaido and Big Mom. Garp is on the same level as them. Hakai can be countered through the quake fruit now that WB is healthy and doesn't need to worry about his crewmates. Around very high-extreme diff.
~Old and healthy WB crapped his pants and didn't want to go to Wano.
~Garp and Sengoku fighting at the same time could not defeat the pre yonko wounded blackbeard.
~When Prime Chinjao and Garp collided the heavens did not split and Garp was sweating and gnashing his teeth signs of too much effort. It's easy to say that neither of them is a CoC coating user. Something that is necessary againts Kaido so that the wounds are not shallow.
~And old 76 year old Garp is injured by pieces of trash who don't use haki.
So it's headcanon to say that Kaido and BM lose.
 

Ezekjuninor

The Conqueror
This would be extremely close, at 1st I was favouring team 1 but in reality, Old Garp never received close to the hype that WB did in MF. He's also 4 years older than WB and doesn't have a DF to balance out his decline in physical abilities like WB does.

I think the gap between BM and Garp will be very slightly bigger than the gap between WB and Kaido. We've also seen some synergy between Kaido and BM so I think they scrape out the win extreme diff.
 

Empathy

Disciple of Thunder
I’d go with old WB and old Garp. Old WB over Kaidou has a good canonical argument and Garp vs. Big Mom could go either way; Garp winning that wouldn’t even be an upset, IMO.
 

truedetectiveseason2intro

Well-Known Member
~Old and healthy WB crapped his pants and didn't want to go to Wano.
~Garp and Sengoku fighting at the same time could not defeat the pre yonko wounded blackbeard.
~When Prime Chinjao and Garp collided the heavens did not split and Garp was sweating and gnashing his teeth signs of too much effort. It's easy to say that neither of them is a CoC coating user. Something that is necessary againts Kaido so that the wounds are not shallow.
~And old 76 year old Garp is injured by pieces of trash who don't use haki.
So it's headcanon to say that Kaido and BM lose.
It’s head canon to say they win too
 

Yonko RedHair Shanks

Well-Known Member
It’s head canon to say they win too
It is not. The headcanon is overwanked old Garp which has trash durability.
And I don't know why everyone here still doesn't understand that to fight Kaido with the intention of defeating him you have to have CoC coating so that if you manage to hurt him the wounds aren't shallow and even then it seems that's not enough and for that reason Kaido didn't put BM with the other 5 or maybe because he considers her pathetic or at that time he didn't put her because she was his ally.
Basically the vs of this thread with Whitebeard's team would be him facing alone two Yonko and as much as many want to underestimate WSC and BM. Old WB can't beat two yonko together.
 

Yonko RedHair Shanks

Well-Known Member
Everything that guy says is head canon. Hell his existence itself is head canon. I’m not even sure if he’s real.
My lord what is that?. :loool :scust

Please tell me real arguments and not just the typical headcanon that they are:
Garp fought with the Pirate King and defeated 3 Yonko and that's why he is the strongest character and that's why he neg-diff Akainu because he said he would kill him:confusedjr

~Roger didn't have the durability of Kaido and Big mom nor the fruit of Kaido. Garp didn't need CoC coating to fight Roger. Anyway he still doesn't have CoC.
~Roger said to bring him Sengoku and Garp and yet everyone keeps saying Garp >>>>Sengoku even though Sengoku does have CoC.
~ In the Rocks fight. Kaido was an apprentice and didn't have the fruit.
~ Whitebeard didn't have the WB nickname and two years after God Valley he reached his prime.
~ And with Garp's durability fighting Akainu for much haki it's crazy to think that Garp wouldn't suffer horribly and the fact that Garp could hit Akainu and cause more damage than WB is far fetched because of the Quake-Quake fruit.
And I can go on saying more facts.
:tlj
 
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Corax

Well-Known Member
Old legends. Kaido vs old WB might be interesting,but he has no chance anyway. BM even herself placed WB above all yonko in her tier list. Kaido did the same. BM vs Garp isn't much relevant after this. But Garp should be able to at least hold her before WB's arrival.
 

Mihawk

Warrior of Asgard
My lord what is that?. :loool :scust

Please tell me real arguments and not just the typical headcanon that they are:
Garp fought with the Pirate King and defeated 3 Yonko and that's why he is the strongest character and that's why he neg-diff Akainu because he said he would kill him:confusedjr

~Roger didn't have the durability of Kaido and Big mom nor the fruit of Kaido. Garp didn't need CoC coating to fight Roger. Anyway he still doesn't have CoC.
~Roger said to bring him Sengoku and Garp and yet everyone keeps saying Garp >>>>Sengoku even though Sengoku does have CoC.
~ In the Rocks fight. Kaido was an apprentice and didn't have the fruit.
~ Whitebeard didn't have the WB nickname and two years after God Valley he reached his prime.
~ And with Garp's durability fighting Akainu for much haki it's crazy to think that Garp wouldn't suffer horribly and the fact that Garp could hit Akainu and cause more damage than WB is far fetched because of the Quake-Quake fruit.
And I can go on saying more facts.
:tlj


 

truedetectiveseason2intro

Well-Known Member
It is not. The headcanon is overwanked old Garp which has trash durability.
And I don't know why everyone here still doesn't understand that to fight Kaido with the intention of defeating him you have to have CoC coating so that if you manage to hurt him the wounds aren't shallow and even then it seems that's not enough and for that reason Kaido didn't put BM with the other 5 or maybe because he considers her pathetic or at that time he didn't put her because she was his ally.
Basically the vs of this thread with Whitebeard's team would be him facing alone two Yonko and as much as many want to underestimate WSC and BM. Old WB can't beat two yonko together.
All of this is head canon we talk about what ifs in the battledome
 
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