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OBD Composite Character Battle - Round 2: Nightbringer vs Willy

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Ultimate Deathsaurer

<b>Nightmare of Zi</b>


Ladies and Gentlemen, fellow OBDers, welcome to the Universal Arena!
This time we host the first round of the new exciting OBD Composite Character Battle tournament!

Our regular watchers are already familiar with the scene but for fresh viewers we gladly tell the details.

First phase, our contestants sent their detailed strategy to the organizers. This is handled before even the match began.

Second phase, the contestants get 24 to 72 hours to defend their strategy against the opposition in a heated debate. Both extensions and premature stops are availible only on request!

Third phase is the continuation of the debate, this time involving the rest of OBD. Everybody is free to share their opinion for a few days.

All of this is the foundation for our fourth phase, voting. Yes dear viewers, the result of this fight depends upon you and here's how you can express it:
Who can vote? Any OBDer save for the contestants present are all elegible here. Yes, even our two judges. Their decision often determines the battle since it worths double!

The winner of this match advances to the next round. The loser is dropping out of the tournament and only participate as spectator.
All or nothing! This is a match at high stakes!

Ladies and Gentlemen!
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OBD
Composite Character
Battle

Spoiler: Tournament Rules/Limits


  • Firepower/durability is limited to city level (10 megatons)
  • Speed is limited to MHS range (mach 100)
  • Anything or anyone you create/summon for backup is limited to 50 megatons of power/durability total regardless of their numbers
  • concentrated attacks are a thing but you can also have any level "hardness" stat against concentrated attacks so long your plain durability is within limits.
  • Telepathy/mindfuck/soulfuck is limited to 1000 people (so is resistances)
  • Reality warping is only allowed to a limited extend
  • You cannot erase player characters from existence, neither transform them in any way via RW (unless any of these are conventionally avoidable)
  • pseudo-teleportations that are only movement and cannot be used to attack are allowed to surpass the Mach 100 limit.
  • You cannot accelerate time to make yourself faster than the tournament limits (barring pseudo-teleport like bursts)
  • You cannot make the enemy less than 5 times slower than you, either.
  • Time stops are allowed but only for 5 seconds *insert Nardo joke here*
  • Time travel can only go back till the beginning of the battle (or the beginning of your prep time if you use it then)
  • Traveling to alternate realities only allows you to access other versions of the same battlefield with nobody in it
  • You can acces other dimensions and use anything in them unless they violate the tournament limits. tournament limits also apply to the environmental hazards and such within the dimension
  • You can only teleport player characters by touch or other avoidable means
  • regeneration is limited to molecular level (complete atomization or beyond can finish the user off)
  • Auto-resurrection or abilities with similar effect are limited to 3 times, you can return to life 3 times only
  • Probability manipulation is allowed but only if it doesn't go overboard and makes everything certain
  • Any method which allows you to deliver absolutely unavoidable attacks is banned (barring ofc telepathy and others where it's obvious)
  • Any debuffs to the enemy like stat decrease, curses, illusions, etc can only last for 1 minute with 10 seconds cooldown.
  • Any abilities which render you conventionally unkillable like spatial barriers, intangibility and such only last for 1 minute with 10 seconds of vulnerability period. (regen, resurrection is already limited so those are exempt)
  • Staying in other dimensions for longer than a minute alternatively recalls you to the battlefield and you cannot go to any other dimensions for 10 seconds
  • Resistances break once after every 5 attempts if the two stats match (ie: tournament limit level telepathy vs tournament limit level resistance). You cannot stack multiple attacks to bypass resistances this way. Because the attacks are all hitting at roughly the same time they will be counted as a single attack.
  • If you pick a power which exceeds these limits you can nerf it down (so long it makes sense)
  • Your attack limitations are mostly apply against players, not against their summons and such (you can erase summoned monsters via reality warping, for example)
  • Under no circumstances you can exceed the tournament limits via prep
  • The GMs retain their right to adjust these rules if required
  • You cannot travel back into the past more than the total amount of time of 10 minutes. This is in order to not retcon battle results endlessly with some convenient time travel sheaningans.
  • If you pick something cheesy which is just barely allowed by the rules then expect UD to be really mad at you. :maybe
  • Fuck Wedding Peach




Battle Conditions

  • Each player has 1 hour off-site prep and 5 minutes of set-up time on-site.
  • Off-site prep takes place in an amalgam world of all of your characters and all their possessions
  • The actual combat zone is taking place in the copy of our universe
  • This universe has no past beyond the start of the battle and lacks sentient life or infrastructure
  • The location is Earth, a random 10x10km plains in moderate climate
  • Earth is indestructible but the crust up to 10km depth is not.
  • You cannot phase into the Earth or otherwise use it as your indestructible safe haven.
  • On-site preparation takes place in your part (half or one-third) of the combat zone and you cannot leave it till 5 minutes pass.
  • You are unable to know the other's prep until the battle starts.
  • As the battle starts you can leave the combat zone but after 10 minutes you're automatically teleported back.
 

Ultimate Deathsaurer

<b>Nightmare of Zi</b>
Combat Strategies

Character profile:

Spoiler:
Kazuma the Badguy



Ranged Attacks - It's Magic!
Fuujutsushi/Wind Magic (Kazuma Yagami/Kaze no Stigma)
If you know my previous tournaments then you mostly also know what this fucker can do. Basically Kazuma has absolute authority over any particles of air and use it like that were an extension of his body. I can control any particle of air and sense through them with ease. My wind magic also shows the middle finger to the rules of physics, effecting spirits, elementals, raw energy, souls, gravity, space-time distortions or even black holes like all of these would be physical objects. I can make my winds travel at FTL velocities (capped to tournament limits) and attack through dimensions or from any direction I want. Literally everything is my weapon and there's no safe zone from Kazuma.
Wind magic can also be used for flight, barriers, invisibility, healing or more subtle way of air manipulation.
Death by aphyxiation was my favorite saying to the fates of whoever faced Kazuma.


Melee Attacks - Slicey Dicey Vision
Mystic Eyes of Death Perception (Ryougi Shiki/Kara no Kyoukai)

Basically it's a conceptual attack which by tracing certain imaginary lines or stabbing imaginary dots can allow the user to "kill" anything.
Be it animate or inanimate, material or immaterial, something definite or even just a concept
It's one of the most infamously broken abilities in the Nasuverse

Special - Another Time Diver
5th Magic Blue (Aoko Aozaki/Mahoutsukai no Yoru)

The true capabilities of this magic are still unknown and I won't use that.
One of its most obvious features is that it is capable of time manipulation.
Unlike most characters with such powers Aoko's version must strive for balance. So if she eliminates an event from happening then she must move it to somewhere else in time.
Her time manipulation has a number of limits but also works on concepts and such which with proper planning can make the ability even more versatile.
Another important feature is that I basically pull energy from the past and future so I have nigh-infinite stock to use and with the Gear physique I won't ever tire in combat and spam abilities as much as I'd like.


Passive - Geared For Perfection
Sol's Gear Physique (Sol Badguy/Guilty Gear)
I inherit everything which is based on Sol Badguy's body and Gear nature. For starters I get his physical stats and magic power (all capped to tournament limits). Gears also have immunity to practically any disease or poison coupled with a decent degree of regeneration, making them live forever. Gears also have enhanced intellect and processing capabilities (Justice could deal with the information content equal to an entire galactic cluster). Sol is also known for no-selling various haxes which may or may not imply he has reactive adaptation of sorts. Time-space manipulation, mindfuck, soulfuck, reality warping and more. He's acasual and can resist time paradoxes. On the other hand while his mind is indominatable Sol seemingly doesn't have resistance to mind-reading or illusions (although my other powers deal with that).

That Man's knowledge (That Man/Guilty Gear)
Mr. Klansman is the top dog when it comes to magic or magitech based science in Guilty Gear and I very much intend to abuse this.



Willy's Match Strategy:

Spoiler: Will Verb's Strategy #2

Act I - Multiversal Heist


"Alright, where was I at? Oh, right! Grab all the things!"

Kazuma says and using Aoko's time manipulation powers while he's in the amalgam of his multiverse. The result is similar yet also different. With strange eons of experience Kazuma didn't only gain insane mastery over his abilities but also got more than sufficient knowledge to grab all the important tools he needs.
I'm lazy and seriously behind with the dealine so I'll talk about these if it actually comes up during the debate. The only thing that really matters is that Kazuma loots the Tohsaka Mansion so he has the Jewelled sword of Zelretch along with many other artifacts related to the Second Magic.
I'm using Aoko's powers again to gain mastery over this along with many other stuff found in my native worlds.
Pretty much I have anything not related to cosmic powers in my universes.

Anyways, a bit of detail on Second Magic. It allows me to access and manipulate pararell universes. I can switch something with its pararell universe equivalent and it gives me yet another way to gather infinite energy. Oh, and it also includes time travel, the classic type instead of the weirder variation which Aoko possesses.
So yeah, it's pretty nice.

With that the 1 hour prep tie passes and Kazuma is transported into the battlefield.


Act II - Size Matters



Kazuma: Oh, man.
Sol Badguy: Speak, kid.
Kazuma: Well, did you look at Dwarfg's height?
Sol Badguy: No...
Kazuma: Because you can't. Her height is measured in attometers.
Sol Badguy: Wait, attometers, then...
That Man: Uh oh...
Ryougi: You know we are the same person and this conversation pretty much went in our head, right?
Aoko: Oh, don't sweat the small stuff.

To put it into perspective that's roughly the millionth of an air molecule. Apparently, Kazuma's methods are too big to effectively combat Dwarfg.
So what to do?

That Man: Well, I do have an idea here.
Ryougi: *sigh*
Sol Badguy: No, you don't! Not that shit agai-...
That Man: BLACK HOLES!
Aoko: Wow!
Sol Badguy: I KNEW IT!
Kazuma: Heh, that may actually work.
That Man: Indeed.

A 0.4kg blackhole (which has tournament limit energy needs for creation) has the schwartzschild radius roughly 10 billion times smaller than even Dwarfg. Yes, that's kinda incredible to believe but it's true.

So I basically turn my air particles into blackholes. That Man's in-depth knowledge about blackholes and how to magically manipulate them combined with Kazuma's absolute control over air does allow me this and with ease. Blackholes cannot crush air spirits so the process won't influence my control over them. In addition Kazuma's air can directly violate and ignore the laws of physics.

Basically, I replace every particle of air with "harmless" micro-blackholes. They behave like air molecules do with a single air molecule always being out for chemical and other exchanges. As such this effectively doesn't count as an attack, yet.

This is an enhancement over my previous Air Gears, Blackhole Gears. The difference is only at the size of these and the fact I can turn any of the "harmless" Blackhole Gears into real microblackholes to attack.

Control of these Blackhole Gears beyond the confines of just Kazuma and I divide the computing load to literally infinite number of AIs spread through infinite pararell universe versions of the same battlefield.
Basically I spread these things to literally every point of the multiverse.


Act III - Operation:
Infinite Blackhole Atmosphere



"Bye, try entertaining my pets for 10 minutes."
As expected Kazuma bails, again. He leaves the entire battle to his Blackhole Gears. Kazuma could have stomped Dwarfg alone but he really doesn't like to pick on little girls.

Seriously, this is like a retake of my previous battle. Dwarfg's character has practically no chance against me. She can't detect my circa 1E-27 m diameter Black Hole Gears, she can't nullify any of my haxes or just my firepower focused to an extremely tiny area and lastly her intangibility (dimensional, or otherwise) is absolutely useless. So yeah, she's pretty much dead.

Albeit if her character decides to bow before me and ask for forgivenes then maybe I'll be more lenient.
:skully



Meanwhile, in a well-hidden faraway corner of the universe, Kazuma watches the new series of Doctor Who. Nobody can get between Kazuma and his seventy inch plasma screen TV.

 

Ultimate Deathsaurer

<b>Nightmare of Zi</b>
Continued because someone is a tl;dr whore

Spoiler:
Third Idea:

Not only can these nanomachines build myself and more of themselves they can also attack should Willy try to locate and find the source of my endless stream of bodies (this is literally endless by the way, the nanomachines can create matter and energy from nothing). Each section of nanomachines can at any moment detonate themselves in a clean hydrogen-oxygen 50 megaton explosion, they will be directed to so if willy shows up in the general location (say if he follows the multiversal teleportation signature to the source or any thing else like that.

So to summarise here: to kill me you have to: destroy my clones well enough that they can't resurrect themselves, visit every world in the multiverse and destroy my nanomachines, survive the resulting explosions and then locate the universe my original prime body (which by the way, won't be fighting at all, I'll be making like Nagato and getting the hell out of dodge) is in, break into the universe because I can lock it and then destroy the body before I can restart the entire process, all in the span of a couple of seconds or so.

Spoiler: On Site prep
I spend five minutes turning my half of the battlefield into a complete vacuum, ridding it entirely of air, ground and so on. Every single bit of matter I can reach is completely annihilated into energy or nothingness, whichever you prefer, it doesn't really matter to me.

This is probably the shortest section to be honest because my on site prep isn't hugely relevant to my actual strategy, most of what's important is in either my actual prep or in my strategy later on. The only thing this section seeks to do is remove any advantage my opponent might seek to gain by manipulation of the battlefield.


Spoiler: My strategy
First thing I do is teleport to outside the battlefield with a couple of conditions

1. If Willy is also outside the battlefield and is not too protected then I teleport to him. How can I tell if he's protected? I have universal/multiversal cosmic senses

2. If Willy is outside the battlefield but is heavily protected then I leave my clones to fight him and I myself fuck off to go hide in another universe/this universe for 10 minutes

3. If willy is on the battlefield I will teleport to another universe to hide for five minutes and send my clones back to fight him on the actual field.

So the first five minutes of the fight I'm not there to kill and my clones are there to kill willy.

I've already detailed in my on site prep that I will destroy all matter around me whenever I can, and once I'm off the field the clones will continue doing that, making sure that Willy cannot fuck with me using his Air Gears from the previous round (assuming he's still using them). The clones will erase all the matter around them at periodic intervals, lets say every 10 milliseconds. So essentially the entire fight will be taking place in a vacuum.

To ensure it remains a vacuum I will build a Black Hole around the battlefield, meaning that the only way in or out is teleportation, i.e physically moving away from the battlefield is impossible while the wall is up. The wall will be built so that space time around the battlefield is curved in a way that makes it so that moving off in one direction will return you in from another. I will do this as soon as I physically can, e.g as soon as I react I will shape the battlefield to look like this.

For the actual fight I'll generally rely on just dealing tons of damage in various ways using my power.

The first thing I'm going to try is mindfucking him. Since there are five clones and resistances are known to fail every five attempts when equally matched, it is a guarantee that I will get at least one mindfuck on him, which should be all I need to get the KO, since I essentially leave him in a vegetative state. I will keep this repeated mindfuckery up for the entire battle, whenever they get a spare chance one of my clones will go for the mindfuck KO.

If somehow Willy survives this then I will resort to less abstract methods of attack, such as spawning extremely dense bullets to fire at him, which will impact at [tourney cap] projectile velocity while dealing tourney capped levels of damage. I know I can hit both of these because my matter manipulation and gravitational manipulation are sufficient to swing around and shoot zettatonne weaponry (obviously far beyond the tourney cap here). The Bullets can be spawned anywhere I desire in the universe, however since there is a cap on undodgeable attacks I am not allowed to fire them from a couple of centimetres away like I normally would. Instead I'll fire them from right on the edge of Willy's reaction radius in rapid fire, meaning that they are conventionally avoidable, however the volume of attacks and the distances make such a thing incredibly unlikely.

A third method of attack is for me to reflect his own attacks back at him by bending space in such a way that willy is shooting himself.

I will likewise run down the list of things I can do until I hit an ability that can actually damage him, while simultaneously remaining untouched myself.
 

Nighty the Mighty

I swim in outer space
mine took me about two hours spread over two days to write up

but the google doc of powers took a couple of days on its own because I was rereading the thing it all comes from to collect the wide variety of them.
 

willyvereb

Migratory Thinker
All that effort should've spent on studying the rules first.
Backwards time travel is limited to 10 minutes total thanks to Musubi's character mildly freaking out the GMs.
I get around this issue by pretty much doing the opposite and gain my knowledge by fast forwarding my memories.
Also even if supposedly your powers can allow you to mind control people, said powers are capped to tournament levels. I don't know what kind of mental defenses people have in your settings but if they can resist a mind controller who can dominate 1000 minds then that part of your strategy is also useless.

Lastly, unlike my strategy with air, creating nigh-infinite bodies can either violate the cap on the firepower of "minions" and similarly the cap on "resurrections". Long story short you'd be fucked up by tournament caps pretty soon.
Not to mention the fact that before you could do anything like this my Blackhole Gears would be long spread to every point of the multiverse.
So whatever you do, these are going to just simply eliminate you.
I can warp reality, effect extra dimensions, BFR people to a soulfucking world with no rules of physics, can destroy souls and have literally infinite processing power.

Tl;dr
You are still pretty much fucked.
 

Nighty the Mighty

I swim in outer space
Backwards time travel is limited to 10 minutes total thanks to Musubi's character mildly freaking out the GMs.

During the match, no where in the rules in either thread is it stated that you cannot time travel infinitely during the prep time, which Moogle did in the first round and no one complained about. The fact that UD and Qing allowed this, despite explicitly taking precautions with my prep (they both said they looked extra hard at it) should tell you that nothing I did is against the rules.

Also even if supposedly your powers can allow you to mind control people, said powers are capped to tournament levels. I don't know what kind of mental defenses people have in your settings but if they can resist a mind controller who can dominate 1000 minds then that part of your strategy is also useless.

They cannot, everyone in that universe are glass canons mentally, like a couple dozen people is basically their best at once as far as defending and so on, whereas my attacking is easily at 1000 people

Lastly, unlike my strategy with air, creating nigh-infinite bodies can either violate the cap on the firepower of "minions" and similarly the cap on "resurrections". Long story short you'd be fucked up by tournament caps pretty soon.

reread, I don't create infinite bodies, I circle 5 clones infinitely, while my main body, which is never destroyed or touched fucks off somewhere else. Clones can res infinitely because they are not my actual character and since there are only five of them at once they each hit 10 megatons and therefore do not violate the cap.

Not to mention the fact that before you could do anything like this my Blackhole Gears would be long spread to every point of the multiverse.

How are you doing this faster than me exactly?

I can warp reality, effect extra dimensions, BFR people to a soulfucking world with no rules of physics, can destroy souls and have literally infinite processing power.

I can:

warp reality on a multiversal scale (nerfed down obviously).

create and destroy laws of physics as I want, so you moving me somewhere without them is irrelevant, I can just recreate a new set if I need to.

I can teleport, fly, bend space and go intangible, to teleport me you have to touch me, by the rules of the tournament that you yourself set up, so good luck with that.

I have infinite processing power too, you're not the only one that spread self replicating machines across an infinite multiverse.

I seriously think you need to actually read my prep instead of just spouting off random bullshit.

Now riddle me this willy, why can you control blackholes exactly? They are not air by definition, just because they were previously air you can control them? Is this how Kazuma's power works?
 

willyvereb

Migratory Thinker
Oh, my mistake.
Then it's even easier since your real body is chilling out somewhere where my Blackhole Gears already reached.
I have time travel and time skip powers which can make any action I perform happen whenever I want it to be. That's why you'll never keep up with me.
Can your component "nanomachines" or whatever travel in time and use all your abilities? Can they analyze an opponent down to the last detail under tournament limit reaction time by potentially abridging billions of years or even more in an instant? Mine totally can and you pretty much encounter these literally everywhere.
Any kind of time spent on growth is abridged to an instant.

Similarly, touching people is only a technicality when I have the very atmosphere which sorrounds you with the average space between each particle being only 29 nanometers. You literally have nowhere to run.

Kazuma's magic controls air spirits which reside in the air. Blackholes basically just help me concentrate these air spirits in compact form. Besides you're trying to nitpick on something which I only did for fun.

Still, speaking of which, how are you even going to respond against me when you have no means of attacking?
And as I said, hiding in some other dimension would not save you at all because I can easily track you there and have my Black Hole Gears waiting for you before you even reach that place.
Seriously, your death was pretty much determined by the beginning of this battle.
If I want to I could even make you forget all the various abilities you learned by reversing the time of your memories or just switch them out with a pararell reality version where you never got them. Both methods work without contesting mental resistances (your memories need time travel or pararell universe hopping resistance, instead, your memories).
Speaking of which, none of your abilities list soulfucking resistance so that pretty much setting things. Also saying you can manipulate the laws of physics is vague and doesn't answer the issue.
Just because somebody can shoot a gun doesn't make them bulletproof. You'd need feats of these abilities allowing you to survive in a lawless dimension.

Again, you could've spent your time better by bowing before Kazuma and asking for mercy.
I'd have probably ignored it but well, it's the thought that counts.
:skully
 
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Nighty the Mighty

I swim in outer space
Similarly, touching people is only a technicality when I have the very atmosphere which sorrounds you with the average space between each particle being only 29 nanometers. You literally have nowhere to run.

:catdude

you WROTE these rules yourself willy, we both know you're not allowed to do this according to them

I have time travel and time skip powers which can make any action I perform happen whenever I want it to be. That's why you'll never keep up with me.

I have these selfsame powers, they're even mentioned in my prep, unlike yours

Kazuma's magic controls air spirits which reside in the air. Blackholes basically just help me concentrate these air spirits in compact form. Besides you're trying to nitpick on something which I only did for fun.

:hm

why does it matter that I'm nitpicking, that's what this entire tournament is about, who can come up with the best strategy and defeat their opponents :catskully

Still, speaking of which, how are you even going to respond against me when you have no means of attacking?

what do you mean here?

And as I said, hiding in some other dimension would not save you at all because I can easily track you there and have my Black Hole Gears waiting for you before you even reach that place.

Prove this statement pls, how are you tracking me and how are you getting black hole gears to a place before I'm aware of it when I have intimate knowledge of the entire multiverse and you don't (or at least nothing in your prep implies you have such knowledge)

If I want to I could even make you forget all the various abilities you learned by reversing the time of your memories or just switch them out with a pararell reality version where you never got them. Both methods work without contesting mental resistances (your memories need time travel or pararell universe hopping resistance, instead, your memories).

No you can't because I do actually have such resistance.

1. The power I'm drawing on comes from a multidimensional abstract being that exists acausally in a universe with six time dimensions

2. I can blow timehax the fuck out by rewriting physics, this happened thrice in series to two different types of time travel and a type of timelock

3. I can timelock things in place, including memories if I so choose.

Speaking of which, none of your abilities list soulfucking resistance so that pretty much setting things. Also saying you can manipulate the laws of physics is vague and doesn't answer the issue.

I originally come from outside this universe (literally, I come from the structure, physics as we know them don't exist there, so that's one feat

the three dimensional multiverse was WRITTEN by me, everything that takes place in it is my design. At one point in the story physics breaks completely, like there are no laws for it at all and it doesn't even bother a sub-herald tier creation of my creation

I'm not actually sure if I have soul to fuck, much less one you can access but the verse I come from (fine structure) does not differentiate between a mind and a soul and all but directly states they're the same thing, ergo the resistances I have from that universe cover both, not to mention the whole Spear of Telesto from 40k thing.
 

willyvereb

Migratory Thinker
:catdude

you WROTE these rules yourself willy, we both know you're not allowed to do this according to them
I can and already did in the previous round. So using massed volume of attacks to overwhelm the enemy's ability to dodge is banned? No.
I'm using the more extreme variation of this.
You can actually dodge these attacks if you were attometer height like I joked with it in my prep.



I have these selfsame powers, they're even mentioned in my prep, unlike yours
then you need bigger eyes because they were mentioned.
Besides I don't need to explain everything and create a tl;dr post if I practically take any abilities the verse has.

Anyways, time travel or time manipulation is nice but I do it in a more abstract way.
Aoko's powers don't normally allow time travel, she exchanges events/concepts from different times to get the results.


what do you mean here?
Pretty much sending 5 tournament limit level dudes is going to be hilariously ineffective. They die almost in the moment they appear, whether they have resistances or not.
So do you have something else?



Prove this statement pls, how are you tracking me and how are you getting black hole gears to a place before I'm aware of it when I have intimate knowledge of the entire multiverse and you don't (or at least nothing in your prep implies you have such knowledge)
Kazuma's magic allows him to track people so long they also have connection to something within the range?
Like when Bernhard "trapped" Kazuma in a maze of infinite space and tried to break Ren by showing this image in a crystal ball.
Turns out the abyss looked back as Kazuma's air magic perfectly traced back that minor channel to Bernhard's location.
I have even smaller "air" with plethora more detection methods, teleport, dimensional travel, possessing multiversal awareness combined with awareness of both the past and present plus even more capabilities.
Actually given the latter I can pretty much track you even if all other means won't work (even though it totally will).
Because I have absolute knowledge of the future 1 minute later when you'll be forced to return to the "combat zone".
Using that moment I can trace back your source based on where you had traveled and then put the Blackhole Gears there before you even make your own travel there (unless you did this during the 5-minute prep, which I forgot to check).

No you can't because I do actually have such resistance.

1. The power I'm drawing on comes from a multidimensional abstract being that exists acausally in a universe with six time dimensions

2. I can blow timehax the fuck out by rewriting physics, this happened thrice in series to two different types of time travel and a type of timelock

3. I can timelock things in place, including memories if I so choose.
1. So? You can't properly utilize that due to tournament limits.
2.) Well, I already dealt with exactly that in the previous match. Didn't work against me.
3.) Well, did you timelock your own memories prior to the battle? Actually, all 3 of your arguments kind of fail apart because these aren't anything passive but requiring active effort ... which you likely won't remember to do after I actually used these powers.



I originally come from outside this universe (literally, I come from the structure, physics as we know them don't exist there, so that's one feat
You never picked physique for that, though. So it's largely irrelevant.
Besides, I have the dude who created a device which can control the Backyard which is pretty much a huge mass of chaos that created the known universe.
And that's just putting things lightly.

the three dimensional multiverse was WRITTEN by me, everything that takes place in it is my design. At one point in the story physics breaks completely, like there are no laws for it at all and it doesn't even bother a sub-herald tier creation of my creation
Irrelevant due to tournament limits. Actually, this may get your ability banned retroactively.

Although if you can have enhancements that can protect you from such fuckups that can work against the "no laws" part of the Backyard.
Still, considering the above you may be getting this ability taken from you.
I mean I banned GER back then with a reason.

I'm not actually sure if I have soul to fuck, much less one you can access but the verse I come from (fine structure) does not differentiate between a mind and a soul and all but directly states they're the same thing, ergo the resistances I have from that universe cover both, not to mention the whole Spear of Telesto from 40k thing.
Soul is the essence of existence here, so long you exist, you possess it.
This isn't just the typical "essence of life" thing.
Spear of Telesto may have some soulfucking and ressitance qualities but you have to stretch your W40k knowledge pretty far to ever justify it having tournament limits level soul manipulation.
So yeah, it won't help.
Fine Structures mental powers may help but only if those hit the tournament limits on their own. Queen Administrator Shard has nothing to do with soul manipulation or even typical use of telepathy, though.
Even then, your soulfuck resistance by rules only protect you from 5 consecutive attacks by this ability. Following that you are at least be effected and then with continued battering your soul would be erased.

So yeah, in your stead I'd try to bring up a pretty good argument how you can even manage to attack me.
So far you have at best 0.15 miliseconds to live. And I'm very generous with that.
My soulfuck basically removes you even if you have time travel powers (like how Justice's soul could never be brought back and the fact Backyard is acting regardless of the flow of time, events happening in it are absolute) so once I killed your soul, you die.
No ifs or buts on this matter.
 

Nighty the Mighty

I swim in outer space
I'm starting to believe you either haven't read my prep or you can't comprehend basic english, which you know would be fine since you're not a native speaker but I'd prefer you ask questions instead of asserting dumbass statements.

I can and already did in the previous round. So using massed volume of attacks to overwhelm the enemy's ability to dodge is banned? No.
I'm using the more extreme variation of this.
You can actually dodge these attacks if you were attometer height like I joked with it in my prep.

First of all I'm not there to get hit by them, I'm elsewhere in the universe/multiverse/vacuum of space

Second of all, I'm erasing all matter around me every 10 milliseconds and start with the matter around me for 5 km already erased, I mentioned this in my prep. You'll have to get them across five km in 10 milliseconds which equals around quadruple mach digits, aka also banned by the tournament.

Third of all, they are still conventionally unavoidable, which is BANNED. If a tourney capped character cannot avoid an attack it is conventionally unavoidable, stop trying to rules lawyer your way out of rules you yourself wrote. It's dishonest and fucking annoying. Get over yourself m8.

Anyways, time travel or time manipulation is nice but I do it in a more abstract way.

style over substance, it's completely irrelevant HOW you do it, the fact of the matter is that we should be exactly as fast as each other, since we're both fucking with time to the tournament max, at max speed for the same effect.

Pretty much sending 5 tournament limit level dudes is going to be hilariously ineffective. They die almost in the moment they appear, whether they have resistances or not.
So do you have something else?

READ MY FUCKING PREP

each of my clones are me, each of them has ALL of my powers, which again are in the google doc, which you should have read since you know, it's part of my prep.

Quick run down: they can do everything they want up to and including EVERYTHING including making more of themselves from nothing if one of them dies

Kazuma's magic allows him to track people so long they also have connection to something within the range?

I have no connection to anything within your range though.

fair enough on the rest of it

so we return to the fact that your blackhole gears have no actual way of hurting me, since I can just erase them and vacuum the field via immense Reality Warping/matter deconstruction/whatever I want

1. So? You can't properly utilize that due to tournament limits.
2.) Well, I already dealt with exactly that in the previous match. Didn't work against me.
3.) Well, did you timelock your own memories prior to the battle? Actually, all 3 of your arguments kind of fail apart because these aren't anything passive but requiring active effort ... which you likely won't remember to do after I actually used these powers.

pay attention please, it's not too much to ask that you actually participate in the debate now is it?

1. not the point, it's a passive nature of the abilities I unlock during my prep time that I become an acausal being. This isn't an active ability at all, it's just the nature of my new existence that I experience time in six dimensions at once.
2. And why not?
3. No, however first you have to pick which clone you want to regress memory wise, (there are five clones+my actual body, each one of which is exactly alike, with literally no discernible difference), then you have to use the tech, then you have to hope that it doesn't break tournament rules and then you have to hope that the other clones and myself dont temporally lock ourselves in the time it takes you to move on to the next target.

pro-tip: you can only temporally BFR people back to the beginning of the fight:

Time travel can only go back till the beginning of the battle (or the beginning of your prep time if you use it then)

thems the breaks



You never picked physique for that, though. So it's largely irrelevant.
Besides, I have the dude who created a device which can control the Backyard which is pretty much a huge mass of chaos that created the known universe.
And that's just putting things lightly.

I don't need the physique because I build it for myself in my prep time. I don't start as an eldritch horror but I become one at the end of my prep time, the point is that my existence is such to survive areas where physics do not work or work in weird ways.

This, plus the fact that I can rewrite reality as I wish, at the very least on the level of inserting my own teleportation levels into it means that bfring me to a place without laws of physics does nothing to me.

Irrelevant due to tournament limits. Actually, this may get your ability banned retroactively.

Although if you can have enhancements that can protect you from such fuckups that can work against the "no laws" part of the Backyard.
Still, considering the above you may be getting this ability taken from you.
I mean I banned GER back then with a reason.

again, missing the point.

the point isn't that I created the multiverse, the point is that I exist in a state which doesn't care about laws of physics, so you need something better if you're just planning on dimensionally dumping me somewhere and calling it a day.

Fine Structures mental powers may help but only if those hit the tournament limits on their own.

they do. At least ~900,000 people in story which is nerfed down to the cap
 

Qinglong

Silenced by Lord Potato
Clarification, UD looked at it, I was still suffering from a mild headache caused by Hammer's prep
 

Qinglong

Silenced by Lord Potato
Re: Memory regression

Both GMs talked about it last session and while skirting the rules it doesn't actually break them

"if you don't have the appropriate resistances that's kinda your fuck up"
 

willyvereb

Migratory Thinker
First of all I'm not there to get hit by them, I'm elsewhere in the universe/multiverse/vacuum of space
Except my Blackhole Gears are everywhere in the universe/multiverse/vacuum of space.
So your point is moot.

Second of all, I'm erasing all matter around me every 10 milliseconds and start with the matter around me for 5 km already erased, I mentioned this in my prep. You'll have to get them across five km in 10 milliseconds which equals around quadruple mach digits, aka also banned by the tournament.
You don't erase spirits, though.
Neither you can erase more matter than what the tournament limits allow.
So I can pretty much overwhelm that via sheer volume.
Actually you can only negate one Blackhole Gear at the time.

Second, 10 miliseconds is slow compared to BHGs that can teleport next to you under 15 microseconds (which is practically the fastest reaction time you can get for this tournament). Your method is as flawed as the rest of your prep.

Third of all, they are still conventionally unavoidable, which is BANNED. If a tourney capped character cannot avoid an attack it is conventionally unavoidable, stop trying to rules lawyer your way out of rules you yourself wrote. It's dishonest and fucking annoying. Get over yourself m8.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Seriously, get over your midget rage and don't throw a tantrum over a thing which was already accepted prior.
With your argument if somebody doesn't pick super speed they can never be attacked because then there's no attack they can actually avoid.
Like I said, if your size is counted in the nanometers or smaller you can easily dodge this.

What's next? cry injustice because you don't have a certain resistance against the enemy's hax?
I already mentioned this in my last match. The fact you haven't picked up on it is your fault.


style over substance, it's completely irrelevant HOW you do it, the fact of the matter is that we should be exactly as fast as each other, since we're both fucking with time to the tournament max, at max speed for the same effect.
Except you can't just fast-forward any information you gather to an instant like I do.
That and a number of other things which Aoko's unique magic can do.
Anyways, it's rather ironic you complain about style over substance when you keep bringing up tl;dr which has no relevance to the tournament.


READ MY FUCKING PREP

each of my clones are me, each of them has ALL of my powers, which again are in the google doc, which you should have read since you know, it's part of my prep.
So? They pretty much die by a few blackholes regardles.
I don't think you managed to pick up on the fact that I have micro-blackholes with 10 megaton yield and the surface area in the 10^52 square meters range. Your physical defenses are pretty much pointless.
Resurrection and such stuff? Then I have multiple means of erasing their souls once they were weakened.
Actually, the fact they are actually your clones spells doom to your character because I can pretty much just use Ryougi's MEoDP to erase both the clone and the one they belonged to.
Just like how killing Fujino's second body also killed her.

Quick run down: they can do everything they want up to and including EVERYTHING including making more of themselves from nothing if one of them dies
The problem is that they pretty much just die and while failing to do anything meaningful against my Blackhole Gears. However long you may try to last I always have the advantage there.
And that's considering if I don't overwhelm your clones at once. Becaue that's the more likely outcome to happen.

I have no connection to anything within your range though.
Well, first off that's bullshit since my Blackhole Gears are literally everywhere. Even if you choose to erase them it'd gave away your position immediately.

Also does it mean you aren't even watching this fight?
Well, that could easily bit you in the ass.

fair enough on the rest of it

so we return to the fact that your blackhole gears have no actual way of hurting me, since I can just erase them and vacuum the field via immense Reality Warping/matter deconstruction/whatever I want
You can't since I have 5 times more reality warping power in the particular area against yours.
As for matter manipulation I already expressed how that won't work, either.
Even prior to accounting my tournament level resistance.
You see? my Blackhole Gears can have the same resistances as I.
Unlike firepower or durability, reistances for my minions isn't limited by the rules.



pay attention please, it's not too much to ask that you actually participate in the debate now is it?

1. not the point, it's a passive nature of the abilities I unlock during my prep time that I become an acausal being. This isn't an active ability at all, it's just the nature of my new existence that I experience time in six dimensions at once.
2. And why not?
3. No, however first you have to pick which clone you want to regress memory wise, (there are five clones+my actual body, each one of which is exactly alike, with literally no discernible difference), then you have to use the tech, then you have to hope that it doesn't break tournament rules and then you have to hope that the other clones and myself dont temporally lock ourselves in the time it takes you to move on to the next target.

pro-tip: you can only temporally BFR people back to the beginning of the fight:
1. and 2.) Read my previous match. I have quite sufficient expertise with beings outside of the laws of physics and I can adjust my abilities to work on it.
3.) Well, if you read Qing's reply you already know that there's nothing in this strategy which breaks the rules. That's the beauty of it. I'm not traveling back in time, neither I BFR your memories away. You already have your memories in this match and I'm merely regressing them.

I don't need the physique because I build it for myself in my prep time. I don't start as an eldritch horror but I become one at the end of my prep time, the point is that my existence is such to survive areas where physics do not work or work in weird ways.

This, plus the fact that I can rewrite reality as I wish, at the very least on the level of inserting my own teleportation levels into it means that bfring me to a place without laws of physics does nothing to me.
Alright, that's too bad because you can't surpass the tournament limits during prep.
So basically you have none of the abilities related to you gaining godhood.
Nice knowing that I don't have to deal with any of that.

again, missing the point.

the point isn't that I created the multiverse, the point is that I exist in a state which doesn't care about laws of physics, so you need something better if you're just planning on dimensionally dumping me somewhere and calling it a day.
See the above.
If you actually became a multiversal god during the prep then that part is pretty much invalid.
The point of Qing's limitation was exactly that people won't try to wrestle down everyone in their verse.

they do. At least ~900,000 people in story which is nerfed down to the cap
Alright, that could work.
Then you have 0.15 miliseconds to live.
Curiously enough that's almost 10 times less than your interval of erasing my Blackhole Gears.
Really, a faint bit of math could've saved you for a while longer.
:skully
 

WorkingMoogle

Well-Known Member
A 0.4kg black hole would have an impressively small size of 5.9e-28 meters (0.0006 yoctometers). I haven't had a chance to read the mess of preps closely enough to figure out why small black holes are desired.

A 0.4kg black hole would also have a lifespan of 5e-18 seconds(5 attoseconds) before it decays from Hawking radiation. Meaning that each of them are bleeding 7.2e33 J of energy every second just to remain stable.
 

willyvereb

Migratory Thinker
A 0.4kg black hole would have an impressively small size of 5.9e-28 meters (0.0006 yoctometers). I haven't had a chance to read the mess of preps closely enough to figure out why small black holes are desired.

A 0.4kg black hole would also have a lifespan of 5e-18 seconds(5 attoseconds) before it decays from Hawking radiation. Meaning that each of them are bleeding 7.2e33 J of energy every second just to remain stable.
I'm keeping these black holes stable by my control over air spirits which are the ones moving the matter here and the fact That Man can manipulate blackholes.
Both methods basically means "fuck physics" thus the blackhole won't begin to decay until I cease my control over it. Until then they are pretty much just a bunch of mass in an invisibly tiny space, hence I called them "harmless".

Also you worded the part with the Hawking Radiation wrong. Black holes cannot radiate out more energy than they contain so their limit is circa around 10 megatons worth. It'd just occour really-really fast.
That's actually a small point with them because this basically makes it a competitive "bomb" for me when I need it.
 

WorkingMoogle

Well-Known Member
Also you worded the part with the Hawking Radiation wrong. Black holes cannot radiate out more energy than they contain so their limit is circa around 10 megatons worth. It'd just occour really-really fast.
That's actually a small point with them because this basically makes it a competitive "bomb" for me when I need it.

They can't, that's correct. They decay in a small fraction of a second.

In order to keep them around for a full second you'd have to supply them with many times the amount of energy they contain. At least from a physics standpoint.

I'll leave the debate of your abilities to Nightbringer, if she thinks it's worth debating.
 

Unlosing Ranger

Praise be to he
I'm keeping these black holes stable by my control over air spirits.

In the vacuum of space?
I mean I know solar winds are a thing, but I don't see a precedence for what you're doing really.
It'd just occour really-really fast.
If we are allowed to just pop up 10 MT at any time frame as long as it's 10MT is it really 10 MT? It's based upon joules after all.
Would that attack do anything in the time frame you're giving it?
 

willyvereb

Migratory Thinker
In the vacuum of space?
I mean I know solar winds are a thing, but I don't see a precedence for what you're doing really.
Via time skip abuses and infintely self-replicating magic devices in the form of common air, yes, by the 15th microsecond I pretty much covered every point in the multiverse with my air. Technically even earlier but that's when they react and do their whole shittick.
Controlled with similarly infinite AI systems.
If you're still confused I suggest you to read my previous match. I pretty much did the same last time but on a smaller scale.

If we are allowed to just pop up 10 MT at any time frame as long as it's 10MT is it really 10 MT? It's based upon joules after all.
Would that attack do anything in the time frame you're giving it?
Explosions, like any attack would be capped at its speed of propagation to Mach 100 but otherwise yeah, the point is unlike practically any other real life explosive mechanism, an evaporating micro blackhole can unload its energy fast enough that it can be useful against Mach 100 fighters.
 

Unlosing Ranger

Praise be to he
Explosions, like any attack would be capped at its speed of propagation to Mach 100 but otherwise yeah, the point is unlike practically any other real life explosive mechanism, an evaporating micro blackhole can unload its energy fast enough that it can be useful against Mach 100 fighters.
Then you aren't attacking with megatons are you?
Via time skip abuses and infintely self-replicating magic devices in the form of common air, yes, by the 15th microsecond I pretty much covered every point in the multiverse with my air. Technically even earlier but that's when they react and do their whole shittick.

So you're making the air yourself?
Because if you're only grabbing the air out of time I don't think you could.
I don't think you'll have enough air to cover the multiverse if that's the case.
 

Unlosing Ranger

Praise be to he
10 MT is 41840000000000 kJ
1 J = 0.001 kJ
41840000000000000 j per second

The calculation for joules which is used to measure energy for megatons in calculations.

kg is the kilogram, m is the metre, s is the second, N is the newton, Pa is the pascal, W is the watt, C is the coulomb, and V is the volt.

Firepower/durability is limited to city level (10 megatons)
Are you seeing the same problem I am seeing?
The rules define the amount of energy one can do, which is in a second by the standard definition of a Megaton because that is what it's measured by.

You can't do 10 MT in less than a second because it isn't allowed it wouldn't be 10 MT, you'd only be allowed to attack with less force in a second if you actually used less force.
For example.
You attack in half a second, you exert 5 MT of force at best.

You get to have your miniblackholes actually be effective as they should be in this match.
0.00015 seconds, plug that in and see how effective it'll be.
6276000000 kJ per .15 miliseconds.
or in other words 6276000000000j per .15 miliseconds.
.0015 Mt per milisecond is what you'll should doing here with 10 MT if I did any of that right. None the less it's much less harmful than you made it out to be.
Which shouldn't be much more even if you're using 50 MT per second.
Granted it'll be a constant effect, but I have to wonder why you bothered.
 
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