Natsu vs Shikai Ichigo

Is this after his training with Yoruichi (where he learned Shunpo and Getsuuga Tenshou) or is it before where he's notably weaker?
 
Either or, doesn't matter. I know that Natsu has the strength advantage at minimum and at least near similar levels of durability.
 
Ichigo would win, if you're talking about the current version. Shunpo is still a bit too much, and he does have that block busting feat.
 
Either or, doesn't matter. I know that Natsu has the strength advantage at minimum and at least near similar levels of durability.
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I'd agree with you on those, yeah, Natsu may even be slightly ahead in durability given that Gazille was flinging him through steel.

Ichigo's biggest advantage is Shunpo as Natsu is quick, but I'd still say Shunpo trumps his speed for the moment. If Ichigo can land a point-blank Getsuuga Tenshou then he could hurt Natsu quite heavily, but if he fails he takes a Salamanders Iron Fist in the jaw and night-night!
 
Natsu can tank some heavy hits but Ichigo can really slice through many things and Getsuga Tenshou is pretty crazy. I say Ichigo takes it.
 
Ichigo barely edges out.

We've seen Ichigo's shikai getsuuga destroy lots of stuff, and with his shunpo I think he wins.
 
Lol when has Ichigo cut steel ? Isn't he able to easily cut buildings like you also said ? Pretty sure he can cut through steel then.
 
I Я TWF said:
Cutting buildings made out of spiritual energy/spiritons now means he can cut through steel in the real world?
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you said:
Kenpachi is that strong because of his reiatsu, same with Ichigo. The fact that when Kenpachi fully releasing and concentrating all of his reiatsu after releasing his eyepatch and Ichigo becoming one with his Zangetsu/Shikai destroyed multiple buildings in some freakish explosion that still didn't kill either of them.

And earlier being smashed through buildings by Shikai Renji as well. And in any case, Sasuke's best feats are "slicing through a door of wood" and cutting the tip off a kunai.

Not helping Sasuke at all her
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LOL ? me don't understand :zaru
 
I Я TWF said:
When has Ichigo cut steel? Because Natsu has resisted steel cutting attacks with his hand.
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Bleach = method 1 or moethd 2
Method 1: play it in what I would say is the accurate way in that feats in SS andl ots of others are mostly unquantifiable thx to Kuboness.
Method 2: play it the way so that they can have a fight and simply take SS and Hueco feats at face value as though the objects were representations of what they are drawn as without thinking of Kuboness.

My response was using method 2 because I wasn't in the mood to dismiss all the bleach feats. I don't mind using method 1 though.--

--- I think whats going to happen with Aizen in the real world soon will probably give us lots of quantifiable stuff.
 
tictactoc said:
Lol when has Ichigo cut steel ? Isn't he able to easily cut buildings like you also said ? Pretty sure he can cut through steel then.
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I Я TWF said:
Cutting buildings made out of spiritual energy/spiritons now means he can cut through steel in the real world?
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tictactoc said:
LOL ? me don't understand :zaru
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So did you read what I said or what?

I mean its not like Natsu hasn't taken building busting attacks right? But I'm still waiting for where I said that Ichigo can cut steel. Or for your proof on that as well.
 
The common material used in a building's structure is either concrete or *ding dong* steel !!!
So if Ichigo can cut buildings, he can cut steel, that's common sense. Except if of course you're going to nit pick and ask "where's the steel in teh buildings !!!??? Making this fight obsolete since we have no way to verify the building's structure that Ichigo, Renji and Kenpachi destroyed :LOS

EDIT: Oh, and don't ignore the quotes please :D
 
tictactoc said:
The common material used in a building's structure is either concrete or *ding dong* steel !!!
So if Ichigo can cut buildings, he can cut steel, that's common sense. Except if of course you're going to nit pick and ask "where's the steel in teh buildings !!!??? Making this fight obsolete since we have no way to verify the building's structure that Ichigo, Renji and Kenpachi destroyed :LOS
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Or the fact of the manner is I'm still waiting for you show me where Ichigo cuts through steel.

And steel is literally about a thousand times more durable and harder then concrete.

So provide the scans.
 
Yes, I am hilarious when you try to make a strawman argument by twisting my words from another thread.

I never denied that Ichigo was a building buster, I am asking you when Ichigo has cut steel like you claimed.

Because Natsu has tanked building busting attacks and destroyed buildings and stopped a attack that ripped through solid steel rails and support beams with one hand.

So you going to conceed or provide the evidence?
 
I Я TWF said:
Yes, I am hilarious when you try to make a strawman argument by twisting my words from another thread.

I never denied that Ichigo was a building buster, I am asking you when Ichigo has cut steel like you claimed.

Because Natsu has tanked building busting attacks and destroyed buildings and stopped a attack that ripped through solid steel rails and support beams with one hand.

So you going to conceed or provide the evidence?
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Ichigo has cut through steel, namely the swords of Renji, and other shinigami.
 
Zanpakuto's are represented through spiritual energy of their masters, just as everything else in Hecudo Mundo and Soul Society.

They are not made out of steel, just reiatsu.
 
No the whole "buildings are made of spiritron" was the hilarious part, since you said the contrary in another thread. And like I already said, we never see Ichigo cutting steel, however his feats easily prove that he can do so.
 
tictactoc said:
No the whole "buildings are made of spiritron" was the hilarious part, since you said the contrary in another thread. And like I already said, we never see Ichigo cutting steel, however his feats easily prove that he can do so.
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No they don't. This is what we call a assocation fallacy. I never said Ichigo wasn't a building buster, I'm asking you how cutting a building made out of spiritons is equal to cutting a building made out of steel in the real world.

So prove it, without the assocation fallacies.
 
I Я TWF said:
No they don't. This is what we call a assocation fallacy. I never said Ichigo wasn't a building buster, I'm asking you how cutting a building made out of spiritons is equal to cutting a building made out of steel in the real world.

So prove it, without the assocation fallacies.
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seeing as sword made of compressed spirit energy are>>>>>>>>>>>>>than regular swords

wouldn't claiming that the building are made of the same stuff work against your argument?
 
Chibi kitsune said:
one would assume cutting though building would count, as they have steel beams and such.
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Buildings made out of Spiritons and Reiatsu have steel beams in them how?

even in the 1st season Chad seemed like he could put a dent in steel(before his powers)
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Hello assocation fallacy...because Chad did that in the real world, that equates to a world made out of spiritons again...how?
 
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