Natsu in OP verse.

He's not even going to make it out of East Blue. He would be lucky to get past Kuro while Don Krieg kills him off with MH5. Arlong would be overkill IMO.
 
I'd say he could probably take Kuro. He'd lose to Arlong though, but it would not be a stomp by any means neccessary.

He just took a bullet to a mouth in the latest chapter and was looking for the guy that shot him, heh.

FT probably will get on OP's level but not anytime soon, its a relatively new manga.
 
I'd say he could probably take Kuro. He'd lose to Arlong though, but it would not be a stomp by any means neccessary.

He just took a bullet to a mouth in the latest chapter and was looking for the guy that shot him, heh.

FT probably will get on OP's level but not anytime soon, its a relatively new manga.

I agree, FT seems like its going to more or less follow in the footsteps of OP in terms of style and character strength.

But for now it doesnt yet quite compare
 
No limits fallacy.

Natsu hasn't fought anyone with the destructive sort of capabilities that Ace possess not too mention Solar Emperor would roast Natsu.

Look at the guy in my set. I'm being pretty objective about this...
 
how? fire can't effect him, plus he could just eat ace up or keep comeing at him until ace is tired out.( he can get refueled by eating fire.)

Scans of Natsu annihilating a whole fleet going after him in one hit?

Scans of Natsu beating someone at the level of strength Luffy has, since Ace could do that, by the admission of Luffy himself?

Scans of Natsu eating the amount of fire Ace can create?

Scans of Natsu fighting an enemy that can become intangible?

Scans of Luffy surviving the fire from a Solar Emperor?
 
Natsu can make his fire tangible or intangible at will, Ace. It doesn't matter, Ace is out of his league even without his flames.

Don't need to pursue the point any more.
 
Why would it be a no limit fallacy? :huh

Besides, Ace could pound the shit out of him by fist.
 
No limits fallacy.

Natsu hasn't fought anyone with the destructive sort of capabilities that Ace possess not too mention Solar Emperor would roast Natsu.

Look at the guy in my set. I'm being pretty objective about this...

"destructive sort of capabilities"? come on, it didn't even leave burn scars on blackbeard or his crew. Natsu has been shown to eat virtually any type of fire(Chapter 392) plus fire just doesn't hurt him.
 
I'd say he could probably take Kuro. He'd lose to Arlong though, but it would not be a stomp by any means neccessary.

He just took a bullet to a mouth in the latest chapter and was looking for the guy that shot him, heh.
The bullet thing isn't so impressive when it still knocked him out. It should also be mentioned that Arlong having a cannon ball explode in his mouth did nothing to him in the least.

"destructive sort of capabilities"? come on, it didn't even leave burn scars on blackbeard or his crew. Natsu has been shown to eat virtually any type of fire(Chapter 392) plus fire just doesn't hurt him.

Blackbeard and his crew are incredibly durable. We're talking about a crew whose captain is easily enough top tier. I think you might also need to remember that Blackbeard was obviously feeling the burn multiple times for that bout.

Natsu's ability to consume and create fire still seems to be incredibly limited in comparison to Ace. You have no proof of Natsu being able to take in the amount of flame that Ace can create. Ace's most basic fire fist attack had enough force to smash through multiple big ships with ease. He doesn't even need to use his devil fruit for this bout when he's able to beat Luffy without one. The limit of Natsu's stamina has already been shown to be lacking when he actually ran out of flame while fighting against a certain metal dragonslayer.:amuse This doesn't matter overall when Natsu is never going to reach him in this thread situation anyway.

EDIT: That scan you bring up doesn't make sense when obviously normal or weaker human ability to take damage means instant death when two freaking fire spears are clearly going through your chest.
 
Kuro or Buggy.
Buggy losses because he's a poor match and the fire attacks should put him down.
Kuro losses because he can't hurt Natsu with his attacks. Namely, his blades will shatter or be melted.

Any villian past those two utterly slaughters Natsu.
To be honest, Gray would get further then Natsu.
 
You guys are underrating him. I'm not even up to date with FT, and from what I've seen Natsu is at least as strong as Luffy was in the Alabasta arc (and that's just physical strength)
 
You guys are underrating him. I'm not even up to date with FT, and from what I've seen Natsu is at least as strong as Luffy was in the Alabasta arc (and that's just physical strength)

No he's not. Luffy in Alabasta Arc was able to punch through layers and layers of solid bedrock. What great strength from Natsu do you speak of? Taking his time to knock out some pillars isn't really that impressive in OP terms. All of this not just being physical strength when he consistently uses fire to strengthen his attacks and quick movement. The guy was recently knocked out by something that Arlong would laugh off.
 
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I was talking about strength, not durability. And I speak of him destroying the phantom guild just as a side effect of fighting within it
 
I was talking about strength, not durability.
I commented on the strength and brought the durability as another factor. They're both important. I know you were talking about strength.
And I speak of him destroying the phantom guild just as a side effect of fighting within it
It wasn't a side effect. It was an intentional action on his part in retaliation for the destruction of the Fairy Tale Guild. Destroying that guild building isn't really putting him up to Luffy's level of physical strength.
 
I commented on the strength and brought the durability as another factor. They're both important. I know you were talking about strength.

Then it's a Red Herring. Did I ever claim his durability was as great as Luffy or anyone? Did I ever even say anything about his durability?

It wasn't a side effect. It was an intentional action on his part in retaliation for the destruction of the Fairy Tale Guild. Destroying that guild building isn't really putting him up to Luffy's level of physical strength.

No it wasn't, he attacked Gazille and the building collapsed as a side effect. I just read it.

And of course he's not as strong as current Luffy, I was saying he might be comparable to Alabasta Luffy (although until someone calcs it I can't claim it as a fact).
 
Then it's a Red Herring. Did I ever claim his durability was as great as Luffy or anyone? Did I ever even say anything about his durability?
Did I claim that you did? And didn't you put down an ambigious "(and that's just physical strength)" as if there was more to comment on. I added in the part about durability to make it clear I have a reason not to think so highly about Natsu. It isn't the first time I brought up his durability in the thread.
No it wasn't, he attacked Gazille and the building collapsed as a side effect. I just read it.
Danzou is a senile old man.
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You can't tell me he didn't intentionally have that building destroyed. And this wouldn't be the first time he's destroyed a building anyway...
And of course he's not as strong as current Luffy, I was saying he might be comparable to Alabasta Luffy (although until someone calcs it I can't claim it as a fact).
Bedrock>a building. That much is a given with how much of it Luffy was punching through as commented by King Cobra. While the rupture of the ground that Crocodile comes out from easily enough destroys multiple big buildings.
 
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You guys do remember Luffy collapsing the Arlong Park building with just an axe right? It's not like building busting is that much of a feat in OP. In terms of power, I'd put Natsu at Arlong Park. Though the same building would have to withstand the recoil of the massive Jupiter Cannon so maybe a bit more.
 
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Ugh @ Natsu being Arlong Park level, much less Arabasta Luffy Level.

Natsu needed multiple attacks to first break apart the side of the building, and it was arguably not entirely stable from the previous fights anyway. In addition to the above, Natsu needed one other attack to smash the foundation.
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After that Natsu needed many-many-many attacks to actually take out the whole Phantom guild building. With regards to the actual damage done to the building, Natsu's attacks weren't simply physical power but released fire (explosions) as they hit, and thus increased the "aoe" of the damage, making his power seem more impressive then it was.
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Look closely at the fire and cocentrated explosions in the scans...

Contray to Natsu, Luffy casually destroyed the "Arlong Park building" with an axe in one attack. Worst still for natsu, previously Arlong simply tore a house up and out of the ground. Yep, both instances are beyond Natsu. With that said, Natsu falls into the Don Kreig arc as Luffy or Sanji.
if people really wanted to be sticklers, which they often are, one could simply bring up the fact Luffy has hit people to other islands all the way back against Buggy. Ugh. --- Long live Luffy and his ... which sublimates Natsu all the more under his shoe. That islands thing is horribly annoying.....
 
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