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Chapter My Hero Academia Chapter 316 Spoiler/Discussion

blackguyinpinksuit

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So nothing happened this chapter. That explosion at the end of the chapter is a silly cilffhanger after seeing nagant survive a blast so vicious readers thought she'd need overhaul to asspull using his powers from his feet to save her. Everyone will be fine next chapter.

AFO has other assassins besides nagant but it's impossible to get hype for them after what happened to her. Deku will fodderize them all at once with the 2nd user's quirk.
 

Kellogem

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Yeah but the problem is that the protagonist (and author) don't understand that Chisaki doesn't need saving from anything.

His actions might have been despicable but his ideology wasn't. Deku has yet to address how Chisaki was "wrong" in despising Quirks and Hero society (so much for that "talk" by the way). So long as episodes like this happen, Chisaki will always have a point:


Hori never explained where Overhauls hate for hero society and his paralel between quirks and disease stems from in the first place..

something something hero syndrome something something sickness... and all we have for his backstory that at one point he was living on the street before taken in by yakuza dad. and came to the conclusion quirks are like sickness as a child.

when protagonist trying to understand antagonists, while the whole thing is empty, as hori never really had a point with muscular or overhaul, (and stain had a retarded 'ideology'), so the whole thing just comes down to an empty gesture...

L Nagant might be the first villain who has a legit gripe with the hero society, other villains are either a) born lunatics b) bad quirks c) unfortunate circumstances mostly to do with quirks or their families or a combination of these.
 

Fused

The Absolute God
Hori never explained where Overhauls hate for hero society and his paralel between quirks and disease stems from in the first place..
It should be rather obvious.

Overhaul was rescued and brought up by the Boss of the Shie Hassaikai, who is Yakuza. He came to know that the Yakuza were literally brought on the edge of extinction (Compress called them like a "dying breed") by the Heroes. So naturally Overhaul despises the Heroes, who built their fortunes on the suffering of the Yakuza. Furthermore, since Overhaul was obsessed with repaying Pops for taking him in, he saw it as his duty to bring down Hero society and restore the Shie Hassaikai to power, as it was in the days before quirks and Heroes were a thing. Quirks come into play here because if they never existed then the Heroes would have never existed either.

And so that's why Overhaul, as the name implies, literally wanted to overhaul society into the state it was in before the rise of Heroes and Quirks.

And we see that the quirks have indeed impacted society very negatively, since a lot of people are bullied and assaulted due to their mutant quirks, which makes them look like mutants. Society needs to be overhauled.
 

lol 4th dimension reiatsu

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It should be rather obvious.

Overhaul was rescued and brought up by the Boss of the Shie Hassaikai, who is Yakuza. He came to know that the Yakuza were literally brought on the edge of extinction (Compress called them like a "dying breed") by the Heroes. So naturally Overhaul despises the Heroes, who built their fortunes on the suffering of the Yakuza. Furthermore, since Overhaul was obsessed with repaying Pops for taking him in, he saw it as his duty to bring down Hero society and restore the Shie Hassaikai to power, as it was in the days before quirks and Heroes were a thing. Quirks come into play here because if they never existed then the Heroes would have never existed either.

And so that's why Overhaul, as the name implies, literally wanted to overhaul society into the state it was in before the rise of Heroes and Quirks.

And we see that the quirks have indeed impacted society very negatively, since a lot of people are bullied and assaulted due to their mutant quirks, which makes them look like mutants. Society needs to be overhauled.

That's dumb, Hero society is the same as ours aside from superpowers, just replace that with race, religion, guns, politics, etc.

All of the supposed evils of hero society are mere weakness of the human heart, the hero system is just the better outcome of the dawn of superpowers.
 

Fused

The Absolute God
That's dumb, Hero society is the same as ours aside from superpowers, just replace that with race, religion, guns, politics, etc.

All of the supposed evils of hero society are mere weakness of the human heart, the hero system is just the better outcome of the dawn of superpowers.
It's not dumb buddy, maybe you don't realize it but a few chapters ago there was a woman who was literally assaulted and almost shot on the streets simply because she was born with a mutant quirk. It is not Overhaul who needs saving, it is society that needs to be saved from itself, so that everyone can leave their homes without fear of being shot just because of the way they look.
 

Kellogem

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It should be rather obvious.

Overhaul was rescued and brought up by the Boss of the Shie Hassaikai, who is Yakuza. He came to know that the Yakuza were literally brought on the edge of extinction (Compress called them like a "dying breed") by the Heroes. So naturally Overhaul despises the Heroes, who built their fortunes on the suffering of the Yakuza. Furthermore, since Overhaul was obsessed with repaying Pops for taking him in, he saw it as his duty to bring down Hero society and restore the Shie Hassaikai to power, as it was in the days before quirks and Heroes were a thing. Quirks come into play here because if they never existed then the Heroes would have never existed either.

And so that's why Overhaul, as the name implies, literally wanted to overhaul society into the state it was in before the rise of Heroes and Quirks.

And we see that the quirks have indeed impacted society very negatively, since a lot of people are bullied and assaulted due to their mutant quirks, which makes them look like mutants. Society needs to be overhauled.
he has no points regarding the society and hero syndrome part... thats just a beef with heroes like how a mob would have against police. no ideology here. the expressions of hero society and hero syndrome are just put in his mouth every once in a while.

and quirks were used by them, against heroes, before heroes, he abused his own quirk, makes no sense why try to think of them as 'sickness'. just erasing quirks as practical means, so he has power over his opponents, thats one thing. but how the hell he'd come to the conclusion quirks are like a bad thing, and equals disease (but only when referring to his opponents, cause he had 0 problems with his own, or his yakuza peers quirks) is nonsensical. he like looks at a book as a kid, describing quirks, and he is like "its like a sickness"... might've as well say "its a gift", it'd have made as much sense.

its obvious hori didnt came up with a consistent ideology and backstory for him, and he was just cool plague doctor villain babbling about sickness.
 
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Kellogem

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It's not dumb buddy, maybe you don't realize it but a few chapters ago there was a woman who was literally assaulted and almost shot on the streets simply because she was born with a mutant quirk. It is not Overhaul who needs saving, it is society that needs to be saved from itself, so that everyone can leave their homes without fear of being shot just because of the way they look.

we are talking about overhaul here, and his origins..

when did he express any concern over people using their quirks freely for self defense going too far?

that was not even a thing until recently, cause these current times AFTER giga breaking havoc thanks to the VA. if something, that happened DUE TO the hero system weakened.

but its not like this was ever integrated into his character anyway. he was "quirk = sickness hurr durr"
 

Fused

The Absolute God
he has no points regarding the society and hero syndrome part
False completely, he even tells the Heroes that they are sick and cursed, that's because the Heroes delude themselves into thinking that they are good guys, when they are not. Someone's hero is someone else's enemy.
thats just a beef with heroes like how a mob would have against police. no ideology here.
How you can even say this when Overhaul literally said that his plan was to overhaul the ENTIRE WORLD TO ITS FOUNDATION, how are you going to say he's just some petty "mob" who has a grudge against the police when he literally wants to reshape the world according to his vision?

You have major misconceptions of Overhaul's character. He doesn't simply want to restore the Shie Hassaikai to power, he also seeks to remake society to a point in time before the rise of quirks, which he sees as cursed, for personal reasons. And he makes it clear in his final confrontation with Deku, by telling him that his optimism and heroism are just idealistic nonsense, and that only he knows how to save the world from itself:



The Heroes in their pride think that their justice is absolute, but they are wrong, they don't see what lies beyond their justice, they are blind and hypocritical. Midoriya finally learned that the world is nuanced, it was about time. Back in that arc he thought that killing Overhaul was justice, maybe now he'll finally learn that killing someone is not justice, it's vengeance, and that killing a villain doesn't simply fix the deep-rooted issues of society. Issues that Overhaul sought to fix by erasing all quirks and restoring society to how it was centuries before the appearance of quirks. A world where a young girl doesn't need to fear for her life whenever she leaves her home just because she's a mutant.
but how the hell he'd come to the conclusion quirks are like a bad thing
No quirks = No Heroes = No Hero hypocrisy and mentality = No extermination of the Yakuza.

And by the way there's also the fact that many in-universe theorize that quirks originated as a virus spread from filthy animals, which would indeed make quirks a sickness in their very nature.

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lol 4th dimension reiatsu

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It's not dumb buddy, maybe you don't realize it but a few chapters ago there was a woman who was literally assaulted and almost shot on the streets simply because she was born with a mutant quirk. It is not Overhaul who needs saving, it is society that needs to be saved from itself, so that everyone can leave their homes without fear of being shot just because of the way they look.

Quirks ain't the problem in those examples, it's dumb to pretend violence and discrimination will stop.
 

Gitagon

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What did were heroes counting for kick open front door like that? And why Deku is the first one to go in? Edgeshot has pretty good scouting abilities maybe he should have checked manor first.
And explosion at the end was kinda cheap, obviously no one will be killed or even suffer any injuries.

Hori probably got a fetish for explosions after last chapter. That's 2 chapters in a row ending in explosions. Current Deku and Edgeshot aren't too far off in strength/speed. Deku is already top 10 hero material now so he's fit to be in the front. + he's obviously the MC.

Obviously no one would die from a little explosion like that though I think Kamui Woods might have a weakness to fire (since he's made of literal wood) seeing how Dabi oneshot him.
 

Kellogem

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False completely, he even tells the Heroes that they are sick and cursed, that's because the Heroes delude themselves into thinking that they are good guys, when they are not. Someone's hero is someone else's enemy.

How you can even say this when Overhaul literally said that his plan was to overhaul the ENTIRE WORLD TO ITS FOUNDATION, how are you going to say he's just some petty "mob" who has a grudge against the police when he literally wants to reshape the world according to his vision?

You have major misconceptions of Overhaul's character. He doesn't simply want to restore the Shie Hassaikai to power, he also seeks to remake society to a point in time before the rise of quirks, which he sees as cursed, for personal reasons. And he makes it clear in his final confrontation with Deku, by telling him that his optimism and heroism are just idealistic nonsense, and that only he knows how to save the world from itself:



The Heroes in their pride think that their justice is absolute, but they are wrong, they don't see what lies beyond their justice, they are blind and hypocritical. Midoriya finally learned that the world is nuanced, it was about time. Back in that arc he thought that killing Overhaul was justice, maybe now he'll finally learn that killing someone is not justice, it's vengeance, and that killing a villain doesn't simply fix the deep-rooted issues of society. Issues that Overhaul sought to fix by erasing all quirks and restoring society to how it was centuries before the appearance of quirks. A world where a young girl doesn't need to fear for her life whenever she leaves her home just because she's a mutant.

No quirks = No Heroes = No Hero hypocrisy and mentality = No extermination of the Yakuza.

these are a bunch of nonsense that doesnt mean anything in practice. he has no legit point.


he said a bunch of crap in his final moments before going down, even talking about how with Eris quirk you can rewind humans into monkeys. but lets jump back and look at his lines:


he has a problem with quirks... cause they make people become something? and thats a sickness of the mind.



he wants to cure heroes...cause they have the thinking of the modern era, saving people



again, sickness of having dreams

a bunch of nihilist nonsense, that all comes down to "how dare you though you can accomplish something, save someone"


he read about someone saying quirks are from a virus, so he became obsessed with quirks being a disease.. what a point.




Im not even...



finally a comprehensible goal... "putting the yakuza back controlling the underworld"




"the "pesky heroes".. no, its not like a mobsters grudge at all

hori wanted overhaul to be both some sort of activist - like all his villains are - and have a more understandable motive, which is to make the yakuza great again... the latter part worked, cause simple, but the former made no sense, so he just had overhaul switch into activist / ideologist mode every once in a while while fighting for his selfish reasons.

fight heroes, which makes sense, but dont just along the reasoning the heroes stand in their way, but it "damn hero society and hero syndrome".. as if he'd have less of a problem if there are no heroes standing in his way, but police

taking away others quirks, but not just along the reasoning it benefits him, cause they have no weapons against him, but "quirks are a sickness", even though they are using quirks themselves, and he has no reason to hate quirks in general, and he has no problem with them as long as the yakuza are using it.. but gotta make it ideological.

his points regarding heroes, quirks and society came down to "heroes are self-delluding... quirks make people something, and have them having dreams, having dreams are no good m'kay? destroy society, quirks are a disease, cause at one point I read it in a book"

and then, here are you, trying to make it look like he is talking about how society needs and overhaul, cause "people are bullied and assaulted due to their mutant quirks, which makes them look like mutants"

and Im the one having misconceptions on Overhauls character.
 
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Rizaadxn

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He hasn't mastered Float or any flight for that matter yet. + he was probably tired as hell.
He's unnaturally bad in that scene, being tired is one thing, but he's literally just falling.

In that one scene where he lands next to All Might, it's understandable because he's moving at high speeds and trying to come to a standstill, here it doesn't make much sense.
 

Fused

The Absolute God
these are a bunch of nonsense that doesnt mean anything in practice. he has no legit point.


he said a bunch of crap in his final moments before going down, even talking about how with Eris quirk you can rewind humans into monkeys. but lets jump back and look at his lines:


he has a problem with quirks... cause they make people become something? and thats a sickness of the mind.



he wants to cure heroes...cause they have the thinking of the modern era, saving people



again, sickness of having dreams

a bunch of nihilist nonsense, that all comes down to "how dare you though you can accomplish something, save someone"


he read about someone saying quirks are from a virus, so he became obsessed with quirks being a disease.. what a point.




Im not even...



finally a comprehensible goal... "putting the yakuza back controlling the underworld"




"the "pesky heroes".. no, its not like a mobsters grudge at all

hori wanted overhaul to be both some sort of activist - like all his villains are - and have a more understandable motive, which is to make the yakuza great again... the latter part worked, cause simple, but the former made no sense, so he just had overhaul switch into activist / ideologist mode every once in a while while fighting for his selfish reasons.

fight heroes, which makes sense, but dont just along the reasoning the heroes stand in their way, but it "damn hero society and hero syndrome".. as if he'd have less of a problem if there are no heroes standing in his way, but police

taking away others quirks, but not just along the reasoning it benefits him, cause they have no weapons against him, but "quirks are a sickness", even though they are using quirks themselves, and he has no reason to hate quirks in general, and he has no problem with them as long as the yakuza are using it.. but gotta make it ideological.

his points regarding heroes, quirks and society came down to "heroes are self-delluding... quirks make people something, and have them having dreams, having dreams are no good m'kay? destroy society, quirks are a disease, cause at one point I read it in a book"

and then, here are you, trying to make it look like he is talking about how society needs and overhaul, cause "people are bullied and assaulted due to their mutant quirks, which makes them look like mutants"

and Im the one having misconceptions on Overhauls character.
Look it's pretty simple, Overhaul thinks that quirks are a disease and it is indeed shown that many people with mutant quirks are assaulted, abused, almost killed, like that furry girl from a recent chapter.

And at least Overhaul had a plan to fix society, Midoriya doesn't even have one, he didn't even know society was nuanced just 10 minutes ago :mjlol
 

KyuubiFan

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He's unnaturally bad in that scene, being tired is one thing, but he's literally just falling.

In that one scene where he lands next to All Might, it's understandable because he's moving at high speeds and trying to come to a standstill, here it doesn't make much sense.

He worked non-stop for days and just had a tough encounter plus tanked a point-blank explosion. He should move to the batcave and rest.
 

SoulFire

Venerable Sage
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He's unnaturally bad in that scene, being tired is one thing, but he's literally just falling.

In that one scene where he lands next to All Might, it's understandable because he's moving at high speeds and trying to come to a standstill, here it doesn't make much sense.
Consider that Deku hasn't been keeping up with sleep and meals. Then in one day he has faced off with Muscular and has had a knock down drag out with Lady N during which he stressed himself by using multiple quirks and was grazed across the middle by a bullet. The kid was exhausted and likely hurting by the time things wound down. He couldn't even keep Hawks and Lady N afloat let alone make a nice three point landing on his own. And now he's off to AFO's house! He must be running on fumes!!
 

Alita

Alita>You
So L Nagant survives?

thats good...

but if Shiggy was in the mansion even the state he was seen last time... and/or a bunch of Muscular caliber villains with Dabi..and the Near High Ends.. and AFO himself.. they'd have decorated the interior with those heroes.. Mt Lady? Kamui Woods? please...

the heroes are under the delusion they are still in the position to do these raids, even when they could barely hold their own against Shiggy alone, and that was before AFO and Tartarus escapees added.. granted they dont have Giga anymore, but there are barely any hero left to deal with villains on the streets, what a good Idea to send their bests into an obvious trap. they can be happy it was just something petty like a trolling AFO hologram and exploding building waiting for them. they lose even more heroes, and even putting AFO aside, there are going to be villains even in their asses. so what a cautious and smart approach once again, as expected from the heroes. how unthinkable that AFO would expect them, not right the potato was one step ahead of them every time.

its good to have confirmation AFO has now his own band. and so, with barely anyone from the original VA left, my prediction of strong AFO followers replacing the VA came true.

I would keep my standards low for AFO's villain band. They could all easily end up with the nagant treatment. All of them probably won't even fight deku but someone weaker.
 
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