Montreal suburbs opt to 'STOP' rather than 'ARRET' at intersections[

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Montreal suburbs opt to 'STOP' rather than 'ARRET' at intersections



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MONTREAL ? The aggressive Montreal driver is rarely shackled by rules of the road, but some French-language purists are worried that the stop signs people blow through increasingly read "STOP" instead of "ARRET."

A handful of anglophone Montreal suburbs have opted to paint the S-word on their roadside octagons instead of the more obviously French alternative.

The provincial Transport Department and the Larousse French dictionary say the word stop is French enough, but some French-language activists say the province should tell the suburbs and motorists to "arret."

"I find it a bit deplorable," said Mario Beaulieu, president of Mouvement Montreal francais, a language-rights group.

"Signage must reflect that French is the official language. The word stop is accepted, that's why it's legal, but I think the word 'arret' better reflects the French face of Montreal and Quebec."

That opinion has others seeing stop-sign red.

"Stop is a perfectly good French word and people are being foolish," said Dollard-des-Ormeaux Mayor Ed Janiszewski, who estimates his town is dotted with more than 1,000 "STOP" signs.

"Stop is a French word as well as an English word, and therefore it's a bilingual expression where 'arret' isn't."

Several predominantly anglophone suburbs have quietly chosen stop, gradually shifting their signs over the years.

"People here know what stop means, they know what 'arret' means, they know what red is," said Ste-Anne-de-Bellevue Mayor Bill Tierney.

"It doesn't really matter what you put up, I mean you could end up with pictograms of a truck smashing into a wall."

In Tierney's suburb, "ARRET" was chosen for its "cachet." Still, as a former resident of France, he admits the red octagons of Paris read "STOP."

"Ste. Anne is a 'ville francaise'," said Tierney. "Even though linguistically we're balanced 50-50, we always flop on the French side."

"STOP" was used across Quebec until the 1980s, when former premier Rene Levesque's government called for signs stamped by both words - with "ARRET" on top.

A few years ago, the Transport Department decided one word was enough.

"Legally, people can choose one or the other," said Gerald Paquette of the Office quebecois de la langue francaise, the province's language watchdog.

"People thought for years that stop was an English word. So when they see a municipality . . . use the word stop they think the town did it on purpose to use the English term."

Paquette, whose department enforces Quebec's language laws, said stop is accepted in both official languages.

But if both words are present, the signs become bilingual under the law.

"When people use the word stop, they are not putting up the English word, they are putting up a French word," he said.

"And when they use the word 'arret,' they are also putting up the accepted French word."

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:laugh I don't understand our canadian cousins, why they want arret, stop is both french and english. We use Stop in France and not Arret.
You are more protectionist than us in Europe.
 
I think some French-Canadians are feeling threatened, because more and more of the English language is being used. I personally don't care, either way I can understand it. Stop is perfectly good for a sign, and just the appearance of the sign should be recognized as meaning stop, so I don't see what the fuss is about. :p
 
If on french roads you started to see more and more Arabic or Hebrews or Chinese "STOP" then I'm pretty sure you'd understand how they feel.
 
Yes, but not as many people in montreal speak Chinese, Arabic, or Hebrew as they do English. And as they said, stop is also a French word. I just think that they're getting too panicky about it is all. :oh
 
Ah, what truly matters for the linguists is not the safety in traffic, but the correct use of diction, which is in truth not that correct.

I understand why they don't want to use "stop" since they have a backwards way of doing things, all in all Montreal does seem to be a very anglophone city as opposed to the francophone city it supposedly is for some purists.
 
true, but you aren't threatened by overwhelming anglophones as here.
Stop is French. There is no threat in using that word. It passes the language laws.

Bill 101 is rather discriminatory. How would it look if Ontario forced shop owners to display English on top and larger than any other language. Let alone have any English at all. Why is any government dictating what words or language can be used and how it can be used by its citizens? Damned ridiculous.
 
Lol Quebecois. In some parts of it, I hear you can actually say it's a whole dialect by itself. Though, I'd love to go there. Contrary to many french people from France, I don't hate their accent, and would love to visit. I here, girls are very "welcoming" and people in general are very nice.

And, do they really say hamburger "steak entre deux miches de pain" ? It's just a legend, right ? RIGHT ?
 
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LOL im for it, God there's so many stupid drivers here sometimes! Its common sense to stop when you see a red hexagon sign like that I dont care what it says you know? But yeah if it helps jus put "stop" so everyboy is clear about this.
 
Lol Quebecois. In some parts of it, I hear you can actually say it's a whole dialect by itself. Though, I'd love to go there. Contrary to many french people from France, I don't hate their accent, and would love to visit. I here, girls are very "welcoming" and people in general are very nice.

And, do they really say hamburger "steak entre deux miches de pain" ? It's just a legend, right ? RIGHT ?

WHAT ? They created a french name for Hamburger ? Wow we need a french canadian dictionary to go there. We don't speak the same language :laugh
 
WHAT ? They created a french name for Hamburger ? Wow we need a french canadian dictionary to go there. We don't speak the same language :laugh

Well, that's what I heard. I don't know whether it's true or not. What's true is that they sometimes try very hard to come up with "french sounding" words so they wouldn't use the english ones, resulting sometimes in hilarious and wonky sounding words, like "courriel". I find that word stupid.

Also, the french academy here in France can produce lulz : cédérom = CD-rom. It seems it's fucking their minds and raping their pets to leave new words as they come.
 
LOL im for it, God there's so many stupid drivers here sometimes! Its common sense to stop when you see a red hexagon sign like that I dont care what it says you know? But yeah if it helps jus put "stop" so everyboy is clear about this.

Octagon. OCTAGON.

For the love of God I hope you're not a driver. :laugh
 
"It doesn't really matter what you put up, I mean you could end up with pictograms of a truck smashing into a wall."
:lmao QFT.

I think I'm going to backwards this movement - but ARRET on all of the stop signs in my suburban neighborhood, just to get a rise out of my language officials :p
 
I lived in montreal for a year, tis easy to avoid speaking french if your lazy, like me.

My french actually got worse after spending a year there, heh.

(am Irish btw)
 
The difficulty with the situation in Quebec in general, is that a portion of Quebecois seem to want both greater power to preserve "authentic Quebecois" culture, as well as still wanting all the benfits that come with a strong federal system that we have in Canada. This position seems to be one that would place an individual who holds it in a position of cognitive dissonance, for Quebec gains a great deal of funding from more economically prosperous provinces, which has allowed Quebec to have a great deal more social entitlements than most Canadians.

An example would be the status of tuition in Alberta vs. that of Quebec it is paid for for residents of Quebec in Quebec whereas it is about $5000 for the main schools in Alberta. Now, I support Quebec's will to preserve their culture, and thus I feel they should have greater self determination, but I also think that that means that transfer payments should stop, and provinces funding should be under their control, and not subject to Federal control.
 
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