Summary of Immutable, Part 2
Spoiler:- we start with Khvarenah’s flashbacks in the previous Avesta, in that flashback Khvarenah is still just a baby without ego, and people there call him Miko (Divine Child), these people are Ranka, Madurai and some old fart. They all belong to Asura side (which is confirmed to be “evil” side) and they’re certain that once Khvarenah awakens their victory is all but certain. At this point only Nadare (of the previous generation) remains as the strong enemy among Deva and only two among Asura (Ranka and Madurai, so old man appears to be mere mook) so Ranka is certain they will soon be summoned to Singularity (in this Avesta it’s called Vahana, not Angra Mainyu) for decisive battle. Madurai corrects him and says there are 3 people among Asura, including “her” (Divine Sword). She apparently doesn’t speak too much and prefers to exist as “sword”. This “sword” is wielded by Ranka, it’s a beautiful sword of gold and black (Muzan’s sword). Khvarenah was fascinated by it and desired to create something like this.
Khvarenah is left in the hands of that old fast apparently to spare him the sight of bloodshed and preserve his purity.
Ranka and Madurai are rather convinced they will die, but are consent with this. Saying that all ties should be severed here so they won’t leave “roots of evil” for the next generation.
They hope that Khvarenah and their daughter (probably Bushyasta or current Nadare, most likely the second one) will work together to create new world (Hiranyapura) where everyone can be happy.
Khvarenah has this premonition that if they would wait for a bit he would awaken and change their destiny, begging Ranka andMadurai to step, unfortunately, this’s just a dream he’s seeing.
Because Khvarenah was born too late, Ranka and Madurai didn’t listen to words of that old fast and previous Nadare used Houkai at that moment Khvarenah became like this, changing from Savior to Forge of Ruin.
What followed was distorted wave approaching from outside of horizon turning everything over – universal Tentsui.
- cut back to present, Magsarion vs Khvarenah.
- we start with truth bomb, Khvarenah says that Magsarion isn’t exactly human and there’s some kind of strange factor mixed with him since the beginning. He saw “this” somewhere before that’s why he recognizes Magsarion as a genuine threat.
Thus, he casts his Authority, Vishvakarman. Instead of producing some super weapon he creates entire separate space spanning hundreds of galaxies, a new world made from “everyone” Khvarenah has eaten so far. He and Magsarion are the only living beings in that space (which can be called Khvarenah’s laboratory). He did that for two reasons: because he doesn’t want to involve Ashavan in their fight (as per promise to Quinn) and more than that, he’s that conscious of Magsarion.
And the fight starts.
Khvarenah doesn’t go easy on Magsarion and he opens this fight by producing supergravity thousands of times more potent than Spenta Mainyu (neutron star), it’s powerful enough to shatter light itself and condenses entire star (and Magsarion with it) to a speck of dust no bigger than tip of a nail, before converging it further to the nothingness. He then reverses vector of that power producing explosion similar to Big Crunch.
In this space, Khvarenah is the only God so there’s nothing he can’t do and immediately restores replicas of Zahhak and Vahman Yasht. He’s described as omnipotent here.
…but Magsarion is fine.
Khvarenah recognizes Magsarion’s armor as his child, but says it shouldn’t be so powerful and assumes this’s effect of Commandment.
Khvarenah then accelerate star rotation to over thousand cycles per second, expelling everything from the star. He then causes rain of plasma arrows turning entire star into twister of rotating plasma and chunks of star. Magsarion is caught inside of it, but Khvarenah notices that not only his bleeding gradually slows down, but his blood, flesh, bones and organs become meaningless to him. He’s gradually removed from laws of physics and experiences form of conceptualization, if he will remain unchanging in the universe then it will hard to defeat Magsarion without the same kind of force (to put it simply, he’s gradually turning into God).
Khvarenah then provides us with his analysis of Magsarion’s abilities: (1) offense: attack power that increases in proportion to sum of killing intent (Saoshyant Aushedar) and ability to see through and create breaches (Saoshyant Mah), (2) defense: skill that evades direct attacks by perceiving breaches (Saoshyant Mah) and unbreakable body due to immutability (Melek Taus?).
That’s why Khvarenah is confused. With these abilities he shouldn’t be able to defeat Bahlavan, according to his calculations Magsarion is inferior to Bahlavan. Regardless of his immutability he shouldn’t overcome Bahlavan’s Garyoku and growth rate.
Nevertheless even when inside that cage of plasma and star debris Magsarion is still coldly observing Khvarenah.
Khvarenah then says that ultimate position (Taikyoku/Atziluth) he defines is when one awakens and emanates without end, unless killed by another “ultimate”.
btw. it seems Taikyoku/Atziluth in Avesta is called開闢/Kaibyaku (Big Bang).
He further says he once held this opportunity, but lost it and for that Magsarion calls him loser (kek).
In a single moment, Magsarion’s strength of existence increased beyond measure and with a single slash of his sword destroyed rotating star and nearly half of Saurva.
Khvarenah is astonished and guesses this’s a power he used to defeat Bahlavan.
Here we finally have more insight about Magsarion’s 3rd Commandments – upon analyzing and exposing essence of his opponent his true power activates. Most of that power is initialized every time his opponent changes, but it seems he becomes invincible once he captures truth about his opponent.
And so “Muzan Counseling” begins.
He mentions that he was in similar position with Varhram. But Magsarion didn’t stop fighting and knew that taking place of his brother isn’t enough. He isn’t dyed by anyone’s dreams so he doesn’t need friends. And because he decided he’s alone he can fulfill his wishes on his own.
He doesn’t try to build situation out of his own influence and hoping something will be born from it. Basically Magsarion is saying everyone should wipe their own asses.
This’s contrast to Varhram who left behind “inexplicable enlightenment” for people own interpretation and even calls Varhram “monster with 100 faces” and Khvarenah who is trying to regain his “ultimate position” by observing miracles of other people.
For Magsarion, his path belongs only to him. He even denies principles of Hadou Taikyoku, saying that law (Big Bang) that emanates regardless of his will is far from immutability and if Khvarenah accepts it as “uncontrollable phenomenon” then he will be eventually crushed by such a mechanism. Magsarion’s idea of killing his opponent after learning about them might seem roundabout but it contained no shame nor hesitation. Even if he will swallow world (“everyone”) he vows there will be no ambiguity to distort his way of life.
Upon hearing his determination, Khvarenah first calls it Hadou, but then quickly changes it to Madou (魔道), Magsarion’s personal way of life.
Khvarenah gradually awakens, saying that “everyone” is everything in this world transcending horizon of good and evil (duality) and only those who have Collapsed or have seen it up close can have that perspective.
Khvarenah remembers his past when he was hope of Asura and Collapsed through universal Tentsui, this’s a proof that he noticed what “everyone” is. But even that’s not enough, he must regain another truth.
He knows that to defeat Avesta he must hold smth that cannot be changed and finally pronounces full name of his Kaibyaku, Lokapala Vishvakarman Vaastu.
Immediately stars of the galaxy are filled with trails of light and billions of structure are created with hundred towers expanding to the end of Nayuta (那由他), beautiful city adorned with monuments and castles and covered by lapis lazuli. There’s no place for any impurity and violence here.
He doesn’t even want to kill or defeat Magsarion but “dye” him, because his essence is not violence. This’s still not a true emanation, because he cannot pronounce his immutability correctly, but he definitely has potential to ascend to heavens and unless Avesta isn’t at least equal to him it would be instantly wiped out.
Even Magsarion refuses to speak about this world because he knows the moment he will be dyed by it the moment he acknowledges it.
This’s true form of Khvarenah’s immutability, beauty. One of that values that transcend good and evil, present in all places and ages, possessing spirituality of comfort and purification. Those who will touch true beauty will be saved, no matter how one’s hurt it will make all suffering disappear and fill it with joy.
- cut to flashbacks of Divine Sword. She saw crying Khvarenah begging her to stay and despite the fact she wanted to stay, she left. That’s because she taught of herself as mere tool who should only listen to the will of her owner, direction of her power changing by them.
She was aware that universe is eternally changing through Tentsui so she should obey as the agent of that will (confirming she’s Sensory after all). Since this universe has two sides she was jealous of the other half (Nadare) because she changes every time one history ends (universal Tentsui) meanwhile she must remain immutable. But she accepted that as this’s the way of the world…until she ignored Khvarenah.
This was the only time she cursed herself so much, blaming her function and burning with remorse. Her decision to ignore Khvarenah caused him “die”, Savior that could save the world died because of her sin.
That’s why she decided to break this world and thus, she met with Varhram. She talked with many heroes, but he was “more than anyone” so far. He either seemed to trace conventional path of the Hero in a perfect shape or transcend it. Something that cannot be reversed once it goes too far. He felt scary even to her. So he was perfect for Divine Sword and made contract with him.
In his embrace her consciousness disappears in the flames of Muzanmuki and Divine Sword that remained immutable since the creation of the universe for the first time broke.
She will be reborn and achieve true miracle by walking on Meifu Mado (冥府魔道) together with him.
- all of this was seen by Quinn who still cannot move properly after she was stabbed by Elners turned into Khvarenah’s doll.
Quinn says that it’s pointless for Frederica and Munsarath to fight against Khvarenah because he’s no longer at the level that you can defeat. He’s now genuine concept, immutable and boundless law of “beauty”.
Quinn regardless of her will apologizes to Khvarenah, saying his current state is her own fault, but she knows these are memories of Divine Sword who is a kind of Muzanmuki.
All she now wants is to hug Khvarenah and respond properly without denying her will. She still believes that Khvarenah can regain his Halo and become everyone’s light and hope. Divine Sword turning into his daughter, Quinn, was a form of atonement for her.
- cut to Khvarenah vs Frederica and Munsarath
Beauty is sympathetic magic. It has power to purify souls of those who touched it and promote them to higher levels. In other words, beauty gives birth to beauty.
In fact, the only reason these two can fight against Khvarenah is due to Munsarath’s impaired vision, without it they would turn into dolls as well.
Elners and Fara no longer have any killing intent because of that so Frederica has no problems with killing them, no longer recognizing them as Satsujinki.
Even though they turned into kenzoku of Khvarenah they aren’t manipulated by him and they devote themselves to his immutable beauty out of their own will, their souls reaching higher dimensions. Because of this they don’t even try to fight against former master and leave themselves exposed, but Frederica and Munsarath can’t cut even a single hair on their heads.
They can barely endure few words of Khvarenah without admiring his “beauty” perhaps it’s a pride of Satsujinki that protects them or the fact Khvarenah is still incomplete.
He denies calling his kenzoku “dolls”, saying that dolls abandon their natural emotions and feel nothing, state that is not different from death and not smth he desires.
But Frederica says it’s exactly what happened to Elners and Fara.
Federica admits that she once wanted to kill Khvarenah, but not now since he doesn’t even feel like a living being. Khvarenah confirms it, saying he’s now immutable phenomenon. Although he’s unable to define what kind of concept it is he’s just one step away from godhood. This imperfection is the result of his kenzoku looking like empty dolls and he apologizes for it.
And this where Frederica draws a line – she’s angry that Khvarenah apologizes for his “evil”. She admits that she doesn’t really care about struggle of Avesta, but no one should be ashamed whether they’re good or evil. She proudly commits evil, killing people and bathing in their blood, so the sight of Forge of Ruin apologizing for his deeds brings to mind only one word to her – “ugly”.
- cut to Magsarion vs Khvarenah
Here Magsarion also called him ugly. And also reveals nature of his Commandment, he must continue to produce weapons. He says that should be obvious from all the junk he did shit out.
But in this Lokapola, this Boundless Capital created by Khvarenah there are no weapons, only buildings. In other words, Khvarenah already broke his Commandment.
Wielding his sword Magsarion turned into Big Bang of death with killing intent comparable to divinity approaching Khvarenah to kill him.
In his own words, Khvarenah isn’t immutable, he’s but an ugly sham wielding Commandment with distorted essence.
- cut to Quinn and Khvarenah
He’s already defeated in her embracement. She says that he’s beautiful and that his current state is only her fault. He was born to embody supreme “beauty” and make everything “beautiful” there shouldn’t be any speck of ruin inside him. If there weren’t any impurity in his growth he would definitely build ideal utopia.
That’s why Quinn is guilty because she sullied his soul with the image of weapon, but Khvarenah says he doesn’t regret anything. He desired to create something like her and even if he became “ugly” he doesn’t mind.
Khvarenah, consent with his fate, says Quinn fulfilled her mission to bring him miracles so he should do this job too.
Quinn jumped back reflexively before everything is devoured by black light.
- cut to Magsarion vs Khvarenah
Magsarion, now with the mindset to “devour” Khvarenah, slashes him embodying “miracle”.
Khvarenah’s full body is equivalent to 574 galaxies. Furthermore, even if incomplete, he reached Law of Kaibyaku so he’s estimated to be nearly 1,000,000 time stronger.
But it doesn’t matter. Magsarion saw through everything of Khvarenah and he vowed to kill “everyone” and destroy everything. If there are trillion of galaxies in the universe he cannot stop at the level of Khvarenah.
Thus, he shattered Lokapola, bisected Divine Halo and smashed Saurva into small pieces.
But he doesn’t stop. No matter how many corpses he accumulates he will just keep moving forward. He no longer relies of Star Spirit Blessing, but steps on the empty air with his own will. So long there’s prey and battlefield he will go beyond eternity.
Upon seeing him, remains of Khvarenah’s astral body called him “beautiful”. He says he was fascinated by Divine Sword that’s why he turned creation of weapons into his own Commandment. So even if it did spoil his essence and changed him into Forge of Ruin he doesn’t regret anything. Even if he lost his qualification to reach Throne, prayer of creating swords is shining forever. His path became part of a Disaster Sword (Magsarion): without Khvarenah the end of Varhram would have changed and Magsarion would be different. For the possibility of branching there was an alternative so the result could be similar, but it’s alternative so the same kind of Disaster Sword wouldn’t be born. So Khvarenah can proudly say he achieved his desire, he created “something like” Divine Sword.
He asks Magsarion for his prayer to be a part of him and he agrees, cutting him to pieces and swallowing him into Muzanmuki.
He remember his promise to Frederica. Since he killed Khvarenah and Bahlavan it’s finally time to settle score with her.
Damn it took a while.
There’s a lot to unpack here…so much that I don’t even know from where to begin.
My overall feelings of this chapter is that it was fucking awesome…but there’s sore taste in my mouth with how fast Khvarenah was defeated. I mean, how come he’s Muzan “greatest enemy” when even Bahlavan seemed like a much higher threat. I don’t get it. While we’re at it, wonder if Saurva’s parts will remain since we know they will be used to create Paralost’s star.
Unfortunately this’s something I was afraid of for a while now – that with current pacing it can only end in a boss rush and so far it’s like that.
“Beauty” being Khvarenah’s concept was rather unique. But in the end we never really saw his “final form” considering that impurity with Divine Sword.
Speaking of that, am I the only one who thinks Masada is baiting us in supporting Pantheon? I can almost hear him asking
“Do you want to see Gudou God Bahlavan? SUPPORT PANTHEON!”
“Do you want to see Hadou God Khvarenah? SUPPORT PANTHEON!”
It’s almost like he deliberately doesn’t show these awesome “what ifs” even though he knows we want to see them. But too bad, mobile games still suck.
Magsarion is fucking strong!...and I’m not sure whether it’s praise or complaint. On the other hand, we knew he will turn into absolute beast, but at this point he’s just steamrolling through everything, which makes me worried for future battles.
We still don’t have full picture of his Commandment, but it’s definitely has something to do with this seeing through his enemy and developing power to defeat them. Maybe that’s why he feared Varhram – he’s so ambiguous that he can’t read him. So ironically, someone like Snake would probably be harder for him to beat than say, Hajun or Ren.
I wonder if Madou (魔道) will be an actual thing referenced in the future or is it exclusive to Magsarion (probably the second option). Because he definitely denies principles of Hadou Gods in that he will stop emanation with his own will. Still, the fact Paralost people are all “evil” doesn’t it mean he failed? Naraka also recognize him as Hadou God, not some Madou God.
I remember when I talked with trexalfa about Varhram being the final boss. That’s before we barely knew who he was..but honestly I wonder just how “good” he is. The fact even Divine Sword feared his ambiguity says a lot about him.
That “alternative” mentioned by Khvarenah – was he speaking about Sirius? I can’t think of anyone else.
Shinken and Nadare being avatars of Mitra – no surprise here.
Frederica of all people dropping truth bombs on Khvarenah was not smth I did expect, but not gonna lie, I liked it.
edit: also, too bad we probably won't see Star Spirit Blessings from Magsarion. On one hand it's obvious he won't be using them, on another they were pretty damn awesome so it's a shame.
edit1: Magsarion not being fully human wasn't that much of a surprise, but the fact Khvarenah recognized who he was and meet something else like him really makes me wonder what is that "strange factor".
Next week’s glossary shouldn’t a problem considering all these new terms and then we have final chapter of 3rd volume which I believe should end on some sweet cliffhanger. And I bet my ass on Munsarath interfering in the fight of Magsarion and Frederica.
I guess war between good and evil in previous cycles had more irregulars like Khvarenah, considering this war being waged across entire universe is the result of him shitting out his own children (edit: although with star spirits around I wonder how much true this is). And since current Nadare said previous cycle was even more disastrous it really makes me want to learn about previous wars, even if it's unlikely we will learn a lot about them.
One thing I missed is how Lanka and Madurai knew Khvarenah will have Hadou. It's one thing to see how it influences others (this's probably the source of unease Shotasarion felt when he talked with Varhram) and another when they literally knew he will awaken one.
Also, Lanka is called "hero" in that entry. So I wonder if it's the same type as Varhram. It seems he was also the previous owner of Divine Sword so I doubt it's a coincidence. Shinken herself said direction of her power will change depending on who's using her so if Varhram was also holder of muzanmuki I guess it influenced her drastically (for better or worse).
I'm still not sure what Hiranyapura changing into Bushyasta could mean, but I'm sure Masada is hinting at smth. Maybe it will be a good opportunity to explain why conflict in the universe was confined to a single planet?
Lanka and Madurai's daughter is Bushyasta (who is yet another loli...such a letdown) after all. But it's worth to note her sacrifice is described as hitobashira (人柱) here
The fact it became know as star that's breeding heroes makes me wonder if there's something special about this star, even without star spirit.
Now I hope we will see more of Bushyasta and her encounter with Varhram, her dying in madness and all.
Big Bang being Avesta's Atziluth/Taikyoku was pretty disappointing. Would prefer something from Zoroastrianism, although I guess Masada was aiming for more universal term since as we have learned Ahura Mazda isn't limited to a single religion.
Also, that part about divinity shitting on punishment from breaking Commandment is rather intriguing. Because it's precisely this concept that prevented Mitra from speaking about Naraka in Saoshyant Desatir. So she was either lying or Mitra is excluded from this rule and can receive punishment even as a god.
We really didn't. All we knew Khvarenah is responsible for expanding civilization in Avesta. Before it started we had no idea how much "previous Avestas" differ or if there are previous eras in the first place (we knew little to nothing about Tentsui back then).That's something we knew since even before Avesta proper started: Khvarenah's role in letting war spread so far and wide but, since other "histories" also share the fact that the war in between Good and Evil was waged across the universe, then they must have found other ways to take off planet.
Question remains, how did they knew Khvarenah will possess Hadou.IMO it is implied Khvarenah was raised by the Asura specially to become their new Throne God, though it seems that Nadare murked things up for them by attacking Hiranyapura.
They also called Hiranyapura "a new world" that Bushyasta and Khvarenah were supposed to create. If that star was already existing then they wouldn't call it new world, much less one they must create. So I definitely think there's more to it than we think.IMO it is only because of its past as Hiranyapura that it was deemed an adequate Hero breeding ground. There might be something more to it though, that I won't deny. Last chapter, Lanka and Madurai hoped both Khvarenah and their daughter would join hands and save the universe. This scene happens after Bushyasta becomes hitobashira.
Pretty sure it will be a Big Bang tho. I doubt Masada will go extra mile to create separate terms for complete and incomplete Taikyoku...although I wouldn't mind that seeing incomplete Taikyoku might play bigger role in the future.IMO we still have not seen the official name: glossary has only told us it is the same as Atziluth and Taikyoku, but keep in mind what we have seen from Khvarenah and Magsarion are merely incomplete versions.
Is she though? She definitely doesn't tell entire truth, but I doubt she's lying either. If she was lying then she would come up with excuses for Ren's questions, yet she outright said she can't tell.I think she's been bullshitting her way through the other Gods through most of Saoshyant Desatir, sincerity is really not her thing. She might have been truthful in some areas, but most of it? Either full of half truths or outright lies.
You might want to expand on that. I'm not sure what are you referring to.Now for my little theory crafting. I still think Khvarenah is kind of Magsarion's previous cycle counterpart, that's why they were marketed as "the biggest of enemies". Thinking about it, it makes sense.
I still think it's too soon to jump into such conclusions. We don't even know process (if there's one) of renaming Singularity. It might as well be privilege of Nadare. In that case, current Nadare naming it Angra Mainyu would be pledge to oppose God (Ahura Mazda) as the last Nadare she craves to become.Now, what intrigues me the most is the entry of Singularity Vahana. It changes names with each cycle, and in the past it has been called shit like Merkabah and Amanoukifune... a term from Judeochristianity, and another from Shinto. Vahana and Angra Mainyu are Hindu and Zoroastrian, which fit the themes of the cycles they are present in... this means that previous histories of Ahura Mazda have taken on a Judeochristian and Shinto make up... just like Paradise Lost and KKK. Japanese fans have began to think that Ahura Mazda is indeed a Shinza microcosm... in the most literal of senses. All the future Thrones could already be prefigured within Shinga's universe, and her ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU vibe and statements in Saoshyant Desatir could be put in a new light. Previous cycle having Hindu themes could mean it is a prevalent aesthetic in say, Marie's World, for example.
Next up is that all these names share the common concept of being God's Chariot... Angra Mainyu though? That's the chief Zoroastrian evil deity, not a vehicle in which God rides. Yet Masada still says it means the same... I'm not getting it. Furthermore, what's the significance of it being "God's Chariot"? Does this mean this is the mothership of Starfleet Aditya, that is, Mitra's ship back when she was human? Is it because Nadare, who rules over it as their territory, is a proxy of Shinga's (God's) will, or because that ship will be heavily related to Muzan's birth?
But like usual with Avesta, we have one answer and dozens of more questions.- according to Baliga's entry in glossary, before Separation Technique it was sacred place for Ashavan and had some connection to Varhram, now it's treated as shameful part of the history after it became origin of Maou
And speaking about Separation Technique, Mama Quinn was in position to protect this castle and her clan inherited special task.
For me, this further reinforces theory that Mama Quinn and her clan had something to do with Divine Sword. If she's really that woman in Sirius' flashback then she fucked up somewhere, causing Shinken to run away.
Considering pre-Satsujinki Baliga was a special place for Varhram I imagine their role was to find suitable hero to wield it.
"The man who is to be great is the one who can be the most solitary, the most hidden, the most deviant, the man beyond good and evil, lord of his virtues, a man lavishly endowed with will — this is precisely what greatness is to be called: it is able to be as much a totality as something multi-faceted, as wide as it is full."
Topkek, it actually did.Next chapter will probably start with interlude.
Topkek, it actually did.
Summary of interlude, Divine Sword:
Spoiler:- we start with flashbacks, somewhere at the beginning of current Avesta (so around 2000-3000 years ago).
Here we have a talk of Divine Sword/Shinken, whose real name is Ahura Mazda and current Nadare, who was just “promoted” to being one. Realizing true nature of the universe and Tentsui, Nadare is clearly mad, but Shinken isn’t surprised because that was reaction of every Nadare until now.
The woman that became Nadare rejects her new identity and tries to pronounce her name but she can’t because rank of Nadare’s name outweighs her own name and she’s unable to deny that. Similar to Shinken, Nadare’s concept exists from the beginning of the universe, so thoughts and stories of individuals cannot counter them. So if one is chosen to be Nadare, they’re forced to live as Nadare.
Nadare rejects that fate as well and swears she will destroy this world. But this’s also something Shinken heard from every Nadare before her and after 700-800 years their personalities are overwritten and accept they’re merely tools of the God.
It seems that prerequisite to become Nadare is to be weak enough to submit before power they’ve suddenly gained, but not stupid enough to be ignorant of that fact. So ordinary person with clever mind.
Shinken tells Nadare that they’re standing on two opposing sides, white and black respectively and they’re responsible for the balance of the universe. That’s why Shinken cannot destroy concept of Nadare and vice versa.
Every struggle by good and evil (called “game” by them) is always triggered by Nadare using Houkai on Shinken and sending her to the random place in the universe who is then found and used by hero.
According to Shinken, each cycle of Avesta ends in about 2000-3000 years, so by reign of Shinga we can guess there have been anywhere from 6 to 15 cycles until now (ofc assuming we’re near the end of her reign).
Nadare is still angry, but unlike past incarnations this one proposes cooperation with Shinken in the act of rebellion. Also, Shinken expresses her guilt of rejecting Khvarenah (whether it’s genuine is unknown, but seems to be so).
They don’t know what will arise from this cooperation and maybe even horrible Meifu Madou (Magsarion) will be born, but even if it will result in death of everyone it’s still better than current state of the universe. In order to save distorted “everyone” it’s necessary to destroy it once and for all.
Nadare uses Houkai on Shinken and new Avesta begins.
- it’s been 1000 years since Nadare used Houkai on Shinken
Just like Nadare’s Houkai, Shinken also has her own authority. Part of that ability allows her to observe entire universe at all times. She normally doesn’t make much of this ability, because she identifies as tool, but this time she observed world with intention to punish her sin (rejecting Khvarenah).
Then we have random descriptions of events occurring in the universe, which just show how much of a shithole Mitra’s world is: man and woman who express mutual love while trampling child under their feet, herd of beasts gnashing their teeth at a family, flock of human-faced trees erupting from sea of blood and turning fighting sides into disjointed mess, patriots and believers dying without seeing miracles, hunters bringing both beasts and humans to feast on them, man who insulted happiness of the woman, they both threw themselves into sea and grudge from their corpses poisoned it, killing all forms of life, etc. No matter where she looked everyone just killed, massacred, eaten and intertwined with each other without end.
The Halo (Khvarenah) who was born to be miracle of everyone Collapsed and turned into strongest Maou and something far from what he’s supposed to be.
Daughter of Lanka and Madurai, Bushyasta, couldn’t stand this ruthless reality and escaped into freedom of madness. She submerged herself into the world of dreams and tried to drown past in her sleep, but this only resulted in nightmares covering her star.
Tyranny of Nadare who was trying to accelerate, or perhaps extinguish these conflict subsided in about 500 years. It’s a little early compared to past Nadare and even Shinken doesn’t know what her intention is. Since they inhabit the most distant positions she can’t tell what exactly she’s doing.
Then we have more details about how Shinken is operating.
A little over 1000 years after she departed from Nadare she finally landed on a star. However, since she’s a sword, she can’t walk on her own and requires someone with heart to find her as a premise.
This isn’t something she’s worried about as Dragvant won’t approach her as one look at her will fill them with fear and disgust. Furthermore, area where she’s secured turns into Sanctuary, white flower sprout, animals gather and form a calm safety zone.
After it’s done, intelligent life forms worship her and she’s strengthened by sucking on their prayers. Since this continues from creation of the universe her power cannot be measure even by herself. Converting it into pure power will result in act of tearing heavens and if you commit to salvation it will turn into divine power causing miracles.
So those who worship her first questions her origins, goals and intentions. However, in order to hear her “voice” one must have certain amount of spiritual sensitivity. In other words, to be high-ranked Yazata, beings referred to as Shamans. And because of her own gender she’s the most compatible with women.
After 200 years of waiting, suitable vessel finally arrived and she became oracle of Shinken, Maiden of Sword. Purity of their blood will increase through Shinken’s will and their duties will be inherited from generation to generation.
Only those who can use Shinken can pull her out of the earth and after it’s done she will submit to that person and offer them all of her prayers.
First proof of distortion from the usual course of action was the appearance of Killer Demon, Munsarath. While described as small fry by Shinken, the fact he was able to invade Sanctuary proved he has qualities that cannot be overlooked. This’s when he decided to impose new vow on himself.
- then we have events unfolding from the perspective of Munsarath, about 100 years have passed since he formed contract with Shinken.
His Commandment, Ushtan Yasht’s vow gives him ability to see future in exchange of sight abandonment and memory oblivion so Shinken resets his memory every morning, but he doesn’t mind and experiences each day as a new being.
Munsarath task was to rampage on this star and get attention of the hero, to become great evil that brave needs to overcome.
On a day when Varhram defeated/killed Bushyasta, Shinken felt that and immediately realized he’s the one she was looking for. Munsarath kept swinging his saw and after 7 years, Hero finally arrived.
Varhram is accompanied by dozens of Yazata, including “scary woman” (Nahid).
Munsarath says that if Varhram wants to see Shinken he must defeat him first.
Varhram then says something that caused him shock equal to that of meeting Shinken – he outright guessed his Commandment can see the future. What really surprised Munsarath is his combat prowess, or rather, his intuition or spirit.
Munsarath is confident that he can keep up with anyone as long it’s 1vs1 due to his precognition. That because he can seal his opponent action from the “moment of occurrence” regardless of how powerful they are. Even if his opponent can use Garyoku to crush stars he can use it to distract opponent’s will and crush it in advance. While they’re limits in huge power difference between himself and his opponent he can still use it to avoid direct hits. And since he’s immortal as a
Killer Demon he has no fear of losing.
Varhram immediately understood that Munsarath’s Commandment doesn’t just see future, but it can actually attract and fix convenient future. This’s something that even Munsarath couldn’t comprehend about his own Commandment, yet Varhram realized this almost instantly. According to Varhram, depending on how you it’s possible to create situation where you want to lose.
And just like a child, he told Munsarath he wants it.
What Munsarath felt at that moment is awe and fear equal or even surpassing the time he met with Shinken. According to Munsarath “knowing” creates powerful diginity, that’s why he established Commandment that can see the future and formed contract with being possessing the most wisdom in the universe. Yet, completely incomprehensible being appeared before him. He can’t tell whether Varhram’s point of view is at the end of sky or bottom of the earth, whether it’s back or front, deep or shallow. However, only one thing is certain about Varhram – about overreaching confidence in “victory”. What is his foundation? Unknown. He’s too transparent to call him just a fool and can only be described as monster where only unknown identity stands out. In front of this unnamed monster Munsarath can only scream in his chest. Going as far as questioning God why would (s)he made him meet with someone like Varhram.
In barbaric rage and fear Munsarath swings his saw at Varhram in a very clumsy way, as if giving “victory” to him. Expecting to miss, much to his surprise he actually cuts Varhram in half, he couldn’t see this future and he realized he already admitted his defeat and his Commandment was deprived by Varhram. With his Garyoku diverted and gaps in his defense, Varhram slashes him with a laugh and only his upper body.
- Munsarath regains his consciousness, finding himself hanging by his legs, with Garyoku gone and would healing slowly.
Intrigued by his defeat Munsarath sets Varhram as his new master. He doesn’t consider it betrayal to Shinken because they’re both partners destined to be together so he can set two of them as his “only master”.
Varhram himself greed him as if not looking through Avesta. Also, he already knows Munsarath has 2nd Commandment.
Munsarath asks for an order and he instinctively knows Varhram wants to use Rebounding Gale of his Commandment for the sake of his “victory” and as such, he asks him to sleep forever.
- following that, Munsarath was sealed in a Sanctuary.
However, he can still use his Commandment to synchronize his point of view with his masters and uses it to observe destined meeting between Varhram and Ahura Mazda.
This’s scene with have seen few times already, but now in full detail.
Varhram and Ahura Mazda form a contract. They’re both extremely compatible, becoming invaluable existence for each other.
Varhram told her about his fight with Bushyasta. How she tried to break him with her nightmares, but she couldn’t do that and instead her own nightmares assaulted her, probably showing her unpleasant memory she had sealed inside her. He couldn’t tell what it was but he still can’t forget her expression and words “Dad, mom, I’m sorry. Wherever you are, please help me”. It was back then when Varhram realized she has Collapsed, against her own will which is unlike what is known in Vahman Yasht. Shinken says that despite endowing her users with miracles she cannot escape from spiral of defeat.
Here we learn why Shinken appeared before Varhram by possessing body Shaman, simply put, they fuck. Intending to “give birth” to their vow in firm form.
Varhram is silent but he doesn’t refuse her. That’s because his point of view was already a mass of mysteries and since he now has Munsarath’s Commandment it’s impossible to tell how far his insight reaches.
Munsarath can only think of 2 reasons of why they’re doing that. First is the creation of factor that contains karma of self-destruction so they intend to entrust future to their child. Second is to use that child as a driving force to let them ascend to the higher realms as a disposable bomb.
Could be both, could be neither and even if there are more reasons Munsarath doesn’t know about them at all.
From now on, all the “blood” that’s connected to Varhram and Shinken is considered to be kenzoku of the sword. Not only their child, but even Shamans and their servants.
- cut to Sirius and Varhram
The first one is angry at Varhram since he should know his life doesn’t exist just for his own sake anymore. Sirius is already aware that his best friend committed adultery with Shinken’s Shaman and thus, betrayed his sister.
Sirius wants to become Holy King to spare Nahid fate of carrying Commandment – to remember all living beings that Vohu Manah knows. Even if Varhram is convinced she would be able to do that, Sirius says the problem doesn’t lie there, but in the fact Varhram and Nahid’s relationship is already recognized by a public. If her love were to be broken it would result in drama where she would fill that suffering with responsibility of the King.
Sirius doesn’t want anyone to cry within his reach, or to be precise, he wants to kill illusion that crying is precious. According to Varhram though, Sirius is desperately looking for a pretext of failure.
Sirius departs to kill Shaman (Mama Quinn), but Varhram isn’t worried, because they both know he won’t kill her and in fact, married her.
Sirius is a tense man who is easily lost that’s why he tried to make Varhram his dream to fill that gap. In the end, he wonders what his true value is.
- truth about Shinken was revealed to public, giving rise to multiple rumors about child of Varhram and who is the mother.
But truth remained only among Sirius, Varhram, Shinken and Shamans.
Unexpectedly, Varhram decided raise that child on his own.
The child name is Magsarion, demon child of destiny who carries extraordinary karma from the beginning.
- cut to Day of Collapse and the end of Hero
Upon witnessing the horrible end of Varhram, Nahid lost her mind and instead, submerged herself into the world of illusions, singing the same song as Frederica in the previous chapter. This’s well known hymn of happiness in the Vahman Yasht. It’s been said that lyrics and melody created by her have mysterious power and in fact she ignited many spirits in the past. However, there’s no longer any blessing in her voice.
At the end of her sight is Magsarion himself, as if entrusting her hope to him. Sirius is less than positive, this child has no talent at all and there’s only grudge, hatred and killing intent dwelling in his heart. From the start, this boy was inhuman as being born from monsters can only be one himself.
As to prove that Sirius recalls his fight against previous 4th Demon Lord. This one was genuine monster without intellect and probably the most heinous one. Sirius discovered underground cave that was this monster’s den. It was full of bodies in pieces, tortured in the worst possible ways. In that cave they were violated by that monster for days, without being able to escape. So what they requested from Sirius was simple, only death could be their salvation. So he kept slash and slashing them, telling himself this’s his responsibility as the Holy King.
Ahura Mazda gives power to those who stood with her on the battlefield for a long time, weak Yazata become powerful enough to challenge special-class Daeva on their own, phenomenon of kenzoku conversion. The amount of people receiving this blessing was steadily increasing around Varhram. But even though Sirius was fascinated by Varhram more than anyone and spend time with him more than anyone, there was no blessing befalling upon him. That’s because Sirius resents Shinken. He hates her for seducing his best friend for some unknown reason, for giving birth to ominous child and for covering Vahman Yasht with shadow.
After killing unfortunate women in Maou’s den he was comforted by a hug of his sister, but at the same time, he felt scared for some reason. He doesn’t want to know what that means so he sealed Nahid in Frozen Seal. Now that Varhram is dead he’s afraid face her. That’s why being embraced by distorted world is more comfortable – it’s impure, ominous and hard to come by, but not scary. He vows to defeat Mad Mother and create new world.
For a moment, before he seals her sister she looks at him as if ridiculing and mocking.
Driven by indescribable fear he paints it as an illusion and leaves the room.
On the verge of tears he thinks about Mama Quinn, wishing to see her. 3 years later he learned about her death and 10 years later he learned that their daughter (Frederica) became Maou.
I will give my opinion later (or not) because I’m exhausted.
IMO none of these descriptions, if we are comparing those from KKK's VFB to those in Ahura Mazda's character file, are mutually exclusive, but I guess Masada went for that in order to sell variety to sponsors and the developers.So before my opinion about this chapter I forgot to write in my summary that settings of the Thrones were posted in blog section. Most of them we already knew, but there are 2 updates that stand out:
3rd Throne changed from Ancient Mythology to Super Ancient Civilization, it's hard to tell at this point what exactly will be different, but for me it just further reinforces idea that Zoar will adapt Cthulhu Mythos, with many people suggesting it might be about Atlantis or R'lyeh. Masada is no stranger with Cthulhu Mythos, there was Fan Jinron from Bansenjin and ofc that obscure drama CD that probably no one cares about.
5th Throne changed from Magic Science to Bishoujo Robot Action, this one immediately started countless speculations. For one, Masada described it as his favorite Throne and he's a huge SRW fan to I wouldn't be surprised if it involved mechas. Second, Sahasrara was described as "machine" but until now we just thought it's metaphor for her not having ego, but she might actually be a robot. Who knows, maybe even Hajun is a bishoujo robot (on that Pantheon's poster he had additional robot-like arms too).
Overall, pretty hyped for this one. But if it will involve mechas then I would prefer something like Evangelion than say, Demonbane.
What I'm puzzled about is that Masada used names meaning "Chariot of God" for Singularity: Vahana, Merkabah, etc... and Angra Mainyu, which breaks the pattern yet glossary says it still means the same. What does this even imply?We got some pretty sweet info on Nadare and Shinken, sorry, Ahura Mazda (btw. this really makes me wonder why Masada just didn't called Nadare Angra Mainyu, but reserved this name for Singularity). I guess this explains why there are inconsistency in Nadare's behavior, words and emotions - the woman who became Nadare is waging internal war with concept of Nadare...or not and being contradictory mess is Nadare's default expression.
Still, I wonder if we will learn about that woman original name? Can you imagine if it turned out to be Kouha? I mean, Nadare's "immutable" ability to observe situation in the universe and her words about "recording and preserving their remorse" (or something like that, don't quote me on that part) coincides with Kouha's ability to observe and recreate history of Throne. Nevermind Kouha is somehow related to Mitra, something she's very ashamed about - being her Sensory (toy) would be pretty shameful I imagine.
I really think Ahura Mazda's remorse about rejecting Khvarenah is genuine or rather I want to believe she's just not acting. I dunno, but she seems pretty disgusted with this world and Khvarenah would definitely contribute to creating true paradise.
I loved seeing this refered to as a "game" and getting details on how Ahura Mazda and Nadare operate. It gave me insane Mass Effect and Enderal feels, which are two stories that heavily deal with cyclical histories carried out by the same agents. I wonder just how much power has Ahura Mazda accumulated across the eras... and I wonder if Nadare, as MINNA NO MAOU, gets anything across the ages too. These two, as agents of Shinga, are the two opposed MINNA figures: Hero and Shinken are just one pair, Everyone's Prayers is power granted by the sword, not something Hero naturally has, from what I am seeing.At least the entire process of Shinken choosing her user was pretty interesting. It's the 2nd time we had reference to Arthurian Legend in Avesta now that I think about it. There's also an ok explanation as to why Quinn couldn't hear word of "Shinken".
Also, even if she's using bodies of Shamans, I still have my doubts about Mama Quinn. From what I can read their purity should just increase with generation, so would it make sense for Mama Quinn to be "mediocre" compared to that Shaman whom Shinken possessed to fuck with Varhram? And if that art of Ahura Mazda is any indication then Shamans possessed by her should have heterochromia, meanwhile Mama Quinn had blue eyes. Last, but not least, I doubt Sirius would drill her if he knew Mama Quinn is Shinken's vessel. I'm probably reading too much into it but whatever.
I think the scene where he guesses the power of Ushtern Yast, which even Munsarat who established the Commandment, didn't know, is definately to show us Magsarion's trump card is somehow related to Varhram. However, alongside the reveal about Munsarat's loyalties, this establishes that glossaries can hold incomplete info regarding stuff too.As for Varhram...I'm really not sure what to think about him tbh. If he's really an actor then fuck me is he a good one.
He's described in almost Lovecraftian way, but somehow I don't think his heroic deeds are mere game. He seemed sad about Bushyasta's words and he's concerned about Sirius, but is it all genuine or mere acting? Munsarath was terrified as fuck, definitely more than during his meeting with Ahura Mazda and Varhram child-like behavior was pretty creepy, but it's not like he's committing some inhuman sins, he really appears to be perfect hero.
But yeah he's strong. His insight is really insane even without Munsarath's Commandment and I almost wonder if it's somehow related to Magsarion's own ability to see truth about his opponents.
And speaking about Munsarath's Commandment, I was speculating that it might evolve into future interference ability AFTER it was looted by Varhram, but it was like this from the start. Damn, Varhram might be literally destined to win. This sounds similiar to Ryusui's Distortion, but there are no timelines in Ahura Mazda which imo makes it even more terrifying, there's only one path to the future.
I'm not sure how is he going to use Rebounding Gale for his own purpose, if you think about it then backlash of that order should be pretty fucking huge, I mean, is "sleeping forever" that much different from death?
Let's keep in mind too that Sirius is Masada's favourite Avesta character AND THE Spoiler character, bar none. Volume 4 will be Sirius' moment to truly shine, I'm sure. You called him being final boss back in Chapter 2 and honestly... there's still the possibility that he is.My man Sirius can't just get any rest. The way he's written as cosmic plaything really makes you think he would perfect as the protagonist of eroge. Somehow he became the voice of reason in Avesta...or rather the one with most common sense (which isn't really saying much).
To think someone who started with a wish to wipe away sacredness of tears would eventually (or rather, potentially) create world of muzanmuki. Varhram's death had to really hit him hard, or is it really just his death? I can't help but think Sirius had some sort of inferiority complex towards him.
Yeah, this is no fucking shocker. "Something unbefitting of you, Hero" back in Chapter 6 already sounded like shagging. And apparently this is the thing Varhram asked Nahid if she knew about in the other Interlude. The "immorality" Sirius talked about in Magsarion's birth was related to how this monsters was conceived by Varhram tossing his sister away like nobody's business.Magsarion is the son of Varhram! The biggest shocker so far!....said no one ever. It was rather obvious ever since we learned about age gap between them and the fact there was no mention of Magsarion back on Bushyasta in the first interlude. But man, Magsarion's momma is literally a sword, Soujiro wishes he be so...edgy
But as per Shinza Bansho rules Varhram might really be a bad guy since father figures are always shit here.
On a more serious note, if this really makes Magsarion an Apoptosis (I'm not ready to label him as such just yet) then he shouldn't really be able of taking over Throne, just like Kemono-dono couldn't. Still, Kemono-dono couldn't do that because he was Apoptosis of Snake, Hadou God. This wouldn't really make Magsarion Apoptosis of Mitra, but Ahura Mazda/Varhram? So maybe he could take it after all.
Also, there's interesting ongoing speculation that sword Muzan is holding might be in fact Magsarion and not Shinken, which is pretty interesting idea. Also, if Sirius really fused with Magsarion to become Muzan then I doubt King-sama would agree to use Shinken.
I think Nahid=Aka Manah is only part of it. Aka Manah won't be just Nahid, at least that's what I think. Muzan said he killed "his brother", and Munsarat told Quinn Ahura Mazda is still somewhere else, LAUGHING. That is, free of remorse, fully muzanmuki and ruling over (or maybe integrating since that's another way of reading it) a hundred visages. Ahura Mazda and Varhram still exist in some form, I'm sure, and perhaps they heavily factor into Aka Manah.And finally, Nahid...just like in the case of Varhram I don't have fucking idea what to think of her, probably even more so.
There's barely any scenes with her and when there are she's either behaving like a victim of autism or just extremely creepy.
But the fact she looked at Sirius with ridicule, as if enjoying his suffering...yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if she was really Aka Manah. But while she was my candidate for being one for a long time now, tbh I'm not a huge fan of that simply because there was just so little of her in the story. If that's really her true identity than Masada better prepare good explanation for us.
Let's not go thereWho knows, maybe even Hajun is a bishoujo robot (on that Pantheon's poster he had additional robot-like arms too).
This is just my fanon for now. We know that Ahura Mazda is an unchanging entity compared to Nadare who is basically just a name/position for someone to inherit over and over again. Angra Mainyu had been hinted to be something from before Ahura Mazda (the universe) or at least as old as it in volume 1, or maybe 2 i don't really remember the minute details. I guess you could say that, much like Ahura Mazda (the god's agent), Angra Mainyu too is a constant and unchanging entity, though it had several other names before it so ?????this really makes me wonder why Masada just didn't called Nadare Angra Mainyu, but reserved this name for Singularity
I mean, Kouha just said Magsarion was the first "character" she was invested in, otherwise it felt as if she was watching a movie.There's some theorizing about the woman who became the current Nadare, most nips think it's Madurai, but I think it's unlikely because she's confirmed dead by a glossary, and Ahura Mazda doesn't say Bushyasta is the daughter of "woman who became Nadare", but daughter of "Hero and his wife". But again, they are inside Singularity, and the woman speaks to Ahura Mazda as if she knew her. IMO the weight of her new name could be a way to tell us that, whoever she was, it doesn't even matter. Her role does. I don't think it's Kouha: "theater box" is implied to be outside of the universe, and Kouha does say that Magsarion was her "wake up call", sorta.
Was she called "sword spirit"? I remember something along the lines "true body of Shinken".And yeah, I truly believe Shinken was consumed by remorse after defiling Khvarenah. But given she cast away her remorse as Quinn... who knows how Ahura Mazda might appear when we see her again? If I'm getting this right, Quinn is her sword form recreated as an automaton, and her "soul" is just her uncertainty, her shame. The true "sword spirit" (that's how Masada called her) must be elsewhere... and I do feel she's at least part of Aka Manah.
It has been said that Varhram didn't received "minna's power" for no reason, but because of his inherent qualities. Though I really wonder if he would still have that power without Shinken.Everyone's Prayers is power granted by the sword, not something Hero naturally has, from what I am seeing.
Could be that. Like I said, maybe I'm looking too much into it.Nah, IMO it's just that Frederica saw the possessed Quinn as Ahura Mazda, she saw her as the Divine Sword and not as the miko she's possessing. When seeing her with Sirius alone, not possessed and with blue eyes, she looks "mediocre" in comparison to Ahura Mazda alone. And because she's not being used as yorishiro, she lacks heterochromia too.
Still, it's weird how Munsarath wasn't aware of this power. He had to make contract with Mitra because there's no proof it's unconscious like Maurya Aeshma. I mean, there's no proof either that Mitra tells people what kind of ability they will receive, but if Ferdows in any indication they should know it instinctively.I think the scene where he guesses the power of Ushtern Yast, which even Munsarat who established the Commandment, didn't know, is definately to show us Magsarion's trump card is somehow related to Varhram. However, alongside the reveal about Munsarat's loyalties, this establishes that glossaries can hold incomplete info regarding stuff too.
Right, I actually forgot about that one.Rebounding Gale of making him sleep forever was already revealed back in Volume 1 in a glossary. It was birth of Frederica as a Maou. This is reaal intriguing. And people called Varhram clown who fucked things up for that, turns out it was part of his plan all along.
Back then we barely knew anything though, I doubt he will be the final boss (currently, my bet is on Aka Manah) but there's no arguing he will be key character in this conflict.Let's keep in mind too that Sirius is Masada's favourite Avesta character AND THE Spoiler character, bar none. Volume 4 will be Sirius' moment to truly shine, I'm sure. You called him being final boss back in Chapter 2 and honestly... there's still the possibility that he is.
From his monologue in 1st volume we can assume he still knew being "ideal hero" like Varhram is not a way to end Avesta though. If anything, he was probably aware of Varhram's flaws more than anyone but was ashamed to admit it.IMO he's had his idealized version of Varhram shattered, blaming it all on Ahura Mazda thus, on the world and Mad Mother. His dream of giving his sister to his best friend in a wedding dress now takes on quite different connotations than it did before.
Throne had nothing really to do with his Eden. The reason it became paradise for sinners is because Muzan decided to fight evil with force, this's something even KKK acknowledges:I'm really looking forward to seeing how Masada is going to link Sirius with KKK's Daten Naraku. Per Onogorojima, Daten Naraku's world was twisted by the Throne itself, due to his own misunderstanding of how it worked, giving rise to Paradise of the fallen instead of outright Eden. Let's see how that works here... Magsarion will surely be a heavy distortion factor.
From parts we have seen so far there are more proves for that second theory. Shotasarion himself said that he always feared how he would be part of the "flow" if he embraced "minna". The fact Varhram always told him to smile and Magsarion refused everytime makes me believe that turning him into part of that "flow" would trigger something.Of the two options Munsarat possed, I don't know whether to believe both, or neither. Ahura Mazda said Varhram would have to pay the prince of holding a factor for self destruction himself. If Magsarion is the main product of the pact, it means he isn't the price Varhram would have to pay. It'd be another thing altogether. However, Munsarat did say, alongside the disposable bomb to reach new heights option, that they were trying to create element for the self destruction of the world.
Just like I said above, I wouldn't be surprised if Aka Manah was downright immune to Tentsui so I agree with that.Possibly away of the simplistic "Aka Manah is Tentsui'd Varhram", which I don't like so much now. Just remember, something weird happened when Varhram died... that large scale Tentsui. The glossary after it portrayed it as huge mystery. Furthermore, it freed Magsarion and Sirius from perspective of Avesta, granting them knowledge of true meaning of "Everyone". Then, it comes Aka Manah, somewhere else, grasping "sword" swelling on prayers, thinking of Quinn and Magsarion. Let's remember that Quinn was born for the express purpose of "accompanying him in his meifumadou".
Aka Manah is BIGGEST mystery of Avesta, we had more info on Shinken than we had on it. Please Masada, make it worthwhile.
Only ladies can defeat MarieLet's not go there
I mean, Angra Mainyu is from Adityas. This's clear to me it predates Ahura Mazda's universe.This is just my fanon for now. We know that Ahura Mazda is an unchanging entity compared to Nadare who is basically just a name/position for someone to inherit over and over again. Angra Mainyu had been hinted to be something from before Ahura Mazda (the universe) or at least as old as it in volume 1, or maybe 2 i don't really remember the minute details. I guess you could say that, much like Ahura Mazda (the god's agent), Angra Mainyu too is a constant and unchanging entity, though it had several other names before it so ?????
This led me to believe that the thing might be far more important than what we think it is. I have a gut feeling that its existence will have something to do with Aka Manah, but i'm not even sure what it'll be.
Wtf,but not exactly something i would not expect of existing but for some reason i imagined a horse fucking a planet or somethingA wicked Star Spirit, his Star Body, as well as his Soul Body, were those of a jet black monster that bore a resemblance to a horse. He too was a kind of star devourer, however, as his own peculiar manner of invasion, he adopted the ethnic cleansing like method of raping the targeted heavenly body's Star Spirit, as well as the local women, making them all pregnant with his children, thus increasing the numbers of his own familiars enormously.
Really? Because imo the last few chapters made them like complete opposites.Dunno why but the more Magsarion got described, the more i think about Hajun.
Yep.Also is your avatar that Shiroyasha something girl from Mondaiji Boomy?