Masadaverse General Thread

Boomy

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For now. He will win against defeat eventually.

btw. I just realized Khvarenah never used Garyoku. I guess it's because he perceives everything rationally, but I wonder if he will remain like this after his awakening (which is definitely coming).
 

Boomy

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Also, reading it again I wonder if Bahlavan is one the factors that made Gudou Gods possible, beside multiverse. He admitted that he doesn't want to change anything around him, but only himself. So whatever he became at the end of his fight with Magsarion might really be contribution to rise of Gudou Gods.
 

Boomy

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Summary of Immutable, Part 2



Spoiler:
- we start with Khvarenah’s flashbacks in the previous Avesta, in that flashback Khvarenah is still just a baby without ego, and people there call him Miko (Divine Child), these people are Ranka, Madurai and some old fart. They all belong to Asura side (which is confirmed to be “evil” side) and they’re certain that once Khvarenah awakens their victory is all but certain. At this point only Nadare (of the previous generation) remains as the strong enemy among Deva and only two among Asura (Ranka and Madurai, so old man appears to be mere mook) so Ranka is certain they will soon be summoned to Singularity (in this Avesta it’s called Vahana, not Angra Mainyu) for decisive battle. Madurai corrects him and says there are 3 people among Asura, including “her” (Divine Sword). She apparently doesn’t speak too much and prefers to exist as “sword”. This “sword” is wielded by Ranka, it’s a beautiful sword of gold and black (Muzan’s sword). Khvarenah was fascinated by it and desired to create something like this.
Khvarenah is left in the hands of that old fast apparently to spare him the sight of bloodshed and preserve his purity.
Ranka and Madurai are rather convinced they will die, but are consent with this. Saying that all ties should be severed here so they won’t leave “roots of evil” for the next generation.
They hope that Khvarenah and their daughter (probably Bushyasta or current Nadare, most likely the second one) will work together to create new world (Hiranyapura) where everyone can be happy.
Khvarenah has this premonition that if they would wait for a bit he would awaken and change their destiny, begging Ranka andMadurai to step, unfortunately, this’s just a dream he’s seeing.
Because Khvarenah was born too late, Ranka and Madurai didn’t listen to words of that old fast and previous Nadare used Houkai at that moment Khvarenah became like this, changing from Savior to Forge of Ruin.
What followed was distorted wave approaching from outside of horizon turning everything over – universal Tentsui.

- cut back to present, Magsarion vs Khvarenah.
- we start with truth bomb, Khvarenah says that Magsarion isn’t exactly human and there’s some kind of strange factor mixed with him since the beginning. He saw “this” somewhere before that’s why he recognizes Magsarion as a genuine threat.
Thus, he casts his Authority, Vishvakarman. Instead of producing some super weapon he creates entire separate space spanning hundreds of galaxies, a new world made from “everyone” Khvarenah has eaten so far. He and Magsarion are the only living beings in that space (which can be called Khvarenah’s laboratory). He did that for two reasons: because he doesn’t want to involve Ashavan in their fight (as per promise to Quinn) and more than that, he’s that conscious of Magsarion.
And the fight starts.
Khvarenah doesn’t go easy on Magsarion and he opens this fight by producing supergravity thousands of times more potent than Spenta Mainyu (neutron star), it’s powerful enough to shatter light itself and condenses entire star (and Magsarion with it) to a speck of dust no bigger than tip of a nail, before converging it further to the nothingness. He then reverses vector of that power producing explosion similar to Big Crunch.
In this space, Khvarenah is the only God so there’s nothing he can’t do and immediately restores replicas of Zahhak and Vahman Yasht. He’s described as omnipotent here.
…but Magsarion is fine.
Khvarenah recognizes Magsarion’s armor as his child, but says it shouldn’t be so powerful and assumes this’s effect of Commandment.
Khvarenah then accelerate star rotation to over thousand cycles per second, expelling everything from the star. He then causes rain of plasma arrows turning entire star into twister of rotating plasma and chunks of star. Magsarion is caught inside of it, but Khvarenah notices that not only his bleeding gradually slows down, but his blood, flesh, bones and organs become meaningless to him. He’s gradually removed from laws of physics and experiences form of conceptualization, if he will remain unchanging in the universe then it will hard to defeat Magsarion without the same kind of force (to put it simply, he’s gradually turning into God).
Khvarenah then provides us with his analysis of Magsarion’s abilities: (1) offense: attack power that increases in proportion to sum of killing intent (Saoshyant Aushedar) and ability to see through and create breaches (Saoshyant Mah), (2) defense: skill that evades direct attacks by perceiving breaches (Saoshyant Mah) and unbreakable body due to immutability (Melek Taus?).
That’s why Khvarenah is confused. With these abilities he shouldn’t be able to defeat Bahlavan, according to his calculations Magsarion is inferior to Bahlavan. Regardless of his immutability he shouldn’t overcome Bahlavan’s Garyoku and growth rate.
Nevertheless even when inside that cage of plasma and star debris Magsarion is still coldly observing Khvarenah.
Khvarenah then says that ultimate position (Taikyoku/Atziluth) he defines is when one awakens and emanates without end, unless killed by another “ultimate”.
btw. it seems Taikyoku/Atziluth in Avesta is called開闢/Kaibyaku (Big Bang).
He further says he once held this opportunity, but lost it and for that Magsarion calls him loser (kek).
In a single moment, Magsarion’s strength of existence increased beyond measure and with a single slash of his sword destroyed rotating star and nearly half of Saurva.
Khvarenah is astonished and guesses this’s a power he used to defeat Bahlavan.
Here we finally have more insight about Magsarion’s 3rd Commandments – upon analyzing and exposing essence of his opponent his true power activates. Most of that power is initialized every time his opponent changes, but it seems he becomes invincible once he captures truth about his opponent.
And so “Muzan Counseling” begins.
He mentions that he was in similar position with Varhram. But Magsarion didn’t stop fighting and knew that taking place of his brother isn’t enough. He isn’t dyed by anyone’s dreams so he doesn’t need friends. And because he decided he’s alone he can fulfill his wishes on his own.
He doesn’t try to build situation out of his own influence and hoping something will be born from it. Basically Magsarion is saying everyone should wipe their own asses.
This’s contrast to Varhram who left behind “inexplicable enlightenment” for people own interpretation and even calls Varhram “monster with 100 faces” and Khvarenah who is trying to regain his “ultimate position” by observing miracles of other people.
For Magsarion, his path belongs only to him. He even denies principles of Hadou Taikyoku, saying that law (Big Bang) that emanates regardless of his will is far from immutability and if Khvarenah accepts it as “uncontrollable phenomenon” then he will be eventually crushed by such a mechanism. Magsarion’s idea of killing his opponent after learning about them might seem roundabout but it contained no shame nor hesitation. Even if he will swallow world (“everyone”) he vows there will be no ambiguity to distort his way of life.
Upon hearing his determination, Khvarenah first calls it Hadou, but then quickly changes it to Madou (魔道), Magsarion’s personal way of life.
Khvarenah gradually awakens, saying that “everyone” is everything in this world transcending horizon of good and evil (duality) and only those who have Collapsed or have seen it up close can have that perspective.
Khvarenah remembers his past when he was hope of Asura and Collapsed through universal Tentsui, this’s a proof that he noticed what “everyone” is. But even that’s not enough, he must regain another truth.
He knows that to defeat Avesta he must hold smth that cannot be changed and finally pronounces full name of his Kaibyaku, Lokapala Vishvakarman Vaastu.
Immediately stars of the galaxy are filled with trails of light and billions of structure are created with hundred towers expanding to the end of Nayuta (那由他), beautiful city adorned with monuments and castles and covered by lapis lazuli. There’s no place for any impurity and violence here.
He doesn’t even want to kill or defeat Magsarion but “dye” him, because his essence is not violence. This’s still not a true emanation, because he cannot pronounce his immutability correctly, but he definitely has potential to ascend to heavens and unless Avesta isn’t at least equal to him it would be instantly wiped out.
Even Magsarion refuses to speak about this world because he knows the moment he will be dyed by it the moment he acknowledges it.
This’s true form of Khvarenah’s immutability, beauty. One of that values that transcend good and evil, present in all places and ages, possessing spirituality of comfort and purification. Those who will touch true beauty will be saved, no matter how one’s hurt it will make all suffering disappear and fill it with joy.

- cut to flashbacks of Divine Sword. She saw crying Khvarenah begging her to stay and despite the fact she wanted to stay, she left. That’s because she taught of herself as mere tool who should only listen to the will of her owner, direction of her power changing by them.
She was aware that universe is eternally changing through Tentsui so she should obey as the agent of that will (confirming she’s Sensory after all). Since this universe has two sides she was jealous of the other half (Nadare) because she changes every time one history ends (universal Tentsui) meanwhile she must remain immutable. But she accepted that as this’s the way of the world…until she ignored Khvarenah.
This was the only time she cursed herself so much, blaming her function and burning with remorse. Her decision to ignore Khvarenah caused him “die”, Savior that could save the world died because of her sin.
That’s why she decided to break this world and thus, she met with Varhram. She talked with many heroes, but he was “more than anyone” so far. He either seemed to trace conventional path of the Hero in a perfect shape or transcend it. Something that cannot be reversed once it goes too far. He felt scary even to her. So he was perfect for Divine Sword and made contract with him.
In his embrace her consciousness disappears in the flames of Muzanmuki and Divine Sword that remained immutable since the creation of the universe for the first time broke.
She will be reborn and achieve true miracle by walking on Meifu Mado (冥府魔道) together with him.

- all of this was seen by Quinn who still cannot move properly after she was stabbed by Elners turned into Khvarenah’s doll.
Quinn says that it’s pointless for Frederica and Munsarath to fight against Khvarenah because he’s no longer at the level that you can defeat. He’s now genuine concept, immutable and boundless law of “beauty”.
Quinn regardless of her will apologizes to Khvarenah, saying his current state is her own fault, but she knows these are memories of Divine Sword who is a kind of Muzanmuki.
All she now wants is to hug Khvarenah and respond properly without denying her will. She still believes that Khvarenah can regain his Halo and become everyone’s light and hope. Divine Sword turning into his daughter, Quinn, was a form of atonement for her.

- cut to Khvarenah vs Frederica and Munsarath
Beauty is sympathetic magic. It has power to purify souls of those who touched it and promote them to higher levels. In other words, beauty gives birth to beauty.
In fact, the only reason these two can fight against Khvarenah is due to Munsarath’s impaired vision, without it they would turn into dolls as well.
Elners and Fara no longer have any killing intent because of that so Frederica has no problems with killing them, no longer recognizing them as Satsujinki.
Even though they turned into kenzoku of Khvarenah they aren’t manipulated by him and they devote themselves to his immutable beauty out of their own will, their souls reaching higher dimensions. Because of this they don’t even try to fight against former master and leave themselves exposed, but Frederica and Munsarath can’t cut even a single hair on their heads.
They can barely endure few words of Khvarenah without admiring his “beauty” perhaps it’s a pride of Satsujinki that protects them or the fact Khvarenah is still incomplete.
He denies calling his kenzoku “dolls”, saying that dolls abandon their natural emotions and feel nothing, state that is not different from death and not smth he desires.
But Frederica says it’s exactly what happened to Elners and Fara.
Federica admits that she once wanted to kill Khvarenah, but not now since he doesn’t even feel like a living being. Khvarenah confirms it, saying he’s now immutable phenomenon. Although he’s unable to define what kind of concept it is he’s just one step away from godhood. This imperfection is the result of his kenzoku looking like empty dolls and he apologizes for it.
And this where Frederica draws a line – she’s angry that Khvarenah apologizes for his “evil”. She admits that she doesn’t really care about struggle of Avesta, but no one should be ashamed whether they’re good or evil. She proudly commits evil, killing people and bathing in their blood, so the sight of Forge of Ruin apologizing for his deeds brings to mind only one word to her – “ugly”.

- cut to Magsarion vs Khvarenah
Here Magsarion also called him ugly. And also reveals nature of his Commandment, he must continue to produce weapons. He says that should be obvious from all the junk he did shit out.
But in this Lokapola, this Boundless Capital created by Khvarenah there are no weapons, only buildings. In other words, Khvarenah already broke his Commandment.
Wielding his sword Magsarion turned into Big Bang of death with killing intent comparable to divinity approaching Khvarenah to kill him.
In his own words, Khvarenah isn’t immutable, he’s but an ugly sham wielding Commandment with distorted essence.

- cut to Quinn and Khvarenah
He’s already defeated in her embracement. She says that he’s beautiful and that his current state is only her fault. He was born to embody supreme “beauty” and make everything “beautiful” there shouldn’t be any speck of ruin inside him. If there weren’t any impurity in his growth he would definitely build ideal utopia.
That’s why Quinn is guilty because she sullied his soul with the image of weapon, but Khvarenah says he doesn’t regret anything. He desired to create something like her and even if he became “ugly” he doesn’t mind.
Khvarenah, consent with his fate, says Quinn fulfilled her mission to bring him miracles so he should do this job too.
Quinn jumped back reflexively before everything is devoured by black light.

- cut to Magsarion vs Khvarenah
Magsarion, now with the mindset to “devour” Khvarenah, slashes him embodying “miracle”.
Khvarenah’s full body is equivalent to 574 galaxies. Furthermore, even if incomplete, he reached Law of Kaibyaku so he’s estimated to be nearly 1,000,000 time stronger.
But it doesn’t matter. Magsarion saw through everything of Khvarenah and he vowed to kill “everyone” and destroy everything. If there are trillion of galaxies in the universe he cannot stop at the level of Khvarenah.
Thus, he shattered Lokapola, bisected Divine Halo and smashed Saurva into small pieces.
But he doesn’t stop. No matter how many corpses he accumulates he will just keep moving forward. He no longer relies of Star Spirit Blessing, but steps on the empty air with his own will. So long there’s prey and battlefield he will go beyond eternity.
Upon seeing him, remains of Khvarenah’s astral body called him “beautiful”. He says he was fascinated by Divine Sword that’s why he turned creation of weapons into his own Commandment. So even if it did spoil his essence and changed him into Forge of Ruin he doesn’t regret anything. Even if he lost his qualification to reach Throne, prayer of creating swords is shining forever. His path became part of a Disaster Sword (Magsarion): without Khvarenah the end of Varhram would have changed and Magsarion would be different. For the possibility of branching there was an alternative so the result could be similar, but it’s alternative so the same kind of Disaster Sword wouldn’t be born. So Khvarenah can proudly say he achieved his desire, he created “something like” Divine Sword.
He asks Magsarion for his prayer to be a part of him and he agrees, cutting him to pieces and swallowing him into Muzanmuki.
He remember his promise to Frederica. Since he killed Khvarenah and Bahlavan it’s finally time to settle score with her.


Damn it took a while.

There’s a lot to unpack here…so much that I don’t even know from where to begin.

My overall feelings of this chapter is that it was fucking awesome…but there’s sore taste in my mouth with how fast Khvarenah was defeated. I mean, how come he’s Muzan “greatest enemy” when even Bahlavan seemed like a much higher threat. I don’t get it. While we’re at it, wonder if Saurva’s parts will remain since we know they will be used to create Paralost’s star.
Unfortunately this’s something I was afraid of for a while now – that with current pacing it can only end in a boss rush and so far it’s like that.
“Beauty” being Khvarenah’s concept was rather unique. But in the end we never really saw his “final form” considering that impurity with Divine Sword.
Speaking of that, am I the only one who thinks Masada is baiting us in supporting Pantheon? I can almost hear him asking
“Do you want to see Gudou God Bahlavan? SUPPORT PANTHEON!”
“Do you want to see Hadou God Khvarenah? SUPPORT PANTHEON!”
It’s almost like he deliberately doesn’t show these awesome “what ifs” even though he knows we want to see them. But too bad, mobile games still suck.
Magsarion is fucking strong!...and I’m not sure whether it’s praise or complaint. On the other hand, we knew he will turn into absolute beast, but at this point he’s just steamrolling through everything, which makes me worried for future battles.
We still don’t have full picture of his Commandment, but it’s definitely has something to do with this seeing through his enemy and developing power to defeat them. Maybe that’s why he feared Varhram – he’s so ambiguous that he can’t read him. So ironically, someone like Snake would probably be harder for him to beat than say, Hajun or Ren.
I wonder if Madou (魔道) will be an actual thing referenced in the future or is it exclusive to Magsarion (probably the second option). Because he definitely denies principles of Hadou Gods in that he will stop emanation with his own will. Still, the fact Paralost people are all “evil” doesn’t it mean he failed? Naraka also recognize him as Hadou God, not some Madou God.
I remember when I talked with trexalfa about Varhram being the final boss. That’s before we barely knew who he was..but honestly I wonder just how “good” he is. The fact even Divine Sword feared his ambiguity says a lot about him.
That “alternative” mentioned by Khvarenah – was he speaking about Sirius? I can’t think of anyone else.
Shinken and Nadare being avatars of Mitra – no surprise here.
Frederica of all people dropping truth bombs on Khvarenah was not smth I did expect, but not gonna lie, I liked it.
edit: also, too bad we probably won't see Star Spirit Blessings from Magsarion. On one hand it's obvious he won't be using them, on another they were pretty damn awesome so it's a shame.
edit1: Magsarion not being fully human wasn't that much of a surprise, but the fact Khvarenah recognized who he was and meet something else like him really makes me wonder what is that "strange factor".

That’s it.

Next week’s glossary shouldn’t a problem considering all these new terms and then we have final chapter of 3rd volume which I believe should end on some sweet cliffhanger. And I bet my ass on Munsarath interfering in the fight of Magsarion and Frederica.
 
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lokoxDZz

This is a goodbye, Smile.
Summary of Immutable, Part 2



Spoiler:
- we start with Khvarenah’s flashbacks in the previous Avesta, in that flashback Khvarenah is still just a baby without ego, and people there call him Miko (Divine Child), these people are Ranka, Madurai and some old fart. They all belong to Asura side (which is confirmed to be “evil” side) and they’re certain that once Khvarenah awakens their victory is all but certain. At this point only Nadare (of the previous generation) remains as the strong enemy among Deva and only two among Asura (Ranka and Madurai, so old man appears to be mere mook) so Ranka is certain they will soon be summoned to Singularity (in this Avesta it’s called Vahana, not Angra Mainyu) for decisive battle. Madurai corrects him and says there are 3 people among Asura, including “her” (Divine Sword). She apparently doesn’t speak too much and prefers to exist as “sword”. This “sword” is wielded by Ranka, it’s a beautiful sword of gold and black (Muzan’s sword). Khvarenah was fascinated by it and desired to create something like this.
Khvarenah is left in the hands of that old fast apparently to spare him the sight of bloodshed and preserve his purity.
Ranka and Madurai are rather convinced they will die, but are consent with this. Saying that all ties should be severed here so they won’t leave “roots of evil” for the next generation.
They hope that Khvarenah and their daughter (probably Bushyasta or current Nadare, most likely the second one) will work together to create new world (Hiranyapura) where everyone can be happy.
Khvarenah has this premonition that if they would wait for a bit he would awaken and change their destiny, begging Ranka andMadurai to step, unfortunately, this’s just a dream he’s seeing.
Because Khvarenah was born too late, Ranka and Madurai didn’t listen to words of that old fast and previous Nadare used Houkai at that moment Khvarenah became like this, changing from Savior to Forge of Ruin.
What followed was distorted wave approaching from outside of horizon turning everything over – universal Tentsui.

- cut back to present, Magsarion vs Khvarenah.
- we start with truth bomb, Khvarenah says that Magsarion isn’t exactly human and there’s some kind of strange factor mixed with him since the beginning. He saw “this” somewhere before that’s why he recognizes Magsarion as a genuine threat.
Thus, he casts his Authority, Vishvakarman. Instead of producing some super weapon he creates entire separate space spanning hundreds of galaxies, a new world made from “everyone” Khvarenah has eaten so far. He and Magsarion are the only living beings in that space (which can be called Khvarenah’s laboratory). He did that for two reasons: because he doesn’t want to involve Ashavan in their fight (as per promise to Quinn) and more than that, he’s that conscious of Magsarion.
And the fight starts.
Khvarenah doesn’t go easy on Magsarion and he opens this fight by producing supergravity thousands of times more potent than Spenta Mainyu (neutron star), it’s powerful enough to shatter light itself and condenses entire star (and Magsarion with it) to a speck of dust no bigger than tip of a nail, before converging it further to the nothingness. He then reverses vector of that power producing explosion similar to Big Crunch.
In this space, Khvarenah is the only God so there’s nothing he can’t do and immediately restores replicas of Zahhak and Vahman Yasht. He’s described as omnipotent here.
…but Magsarion is fine.
Khvarenah recognizes Magsarion’s armor as his child, but says it shouldn’t be so powerful and assumes this’s effect of Commandment.
Khvarenah then accelerate star rotation to over thousand cycles per second, expelling everything from the star. He then causes rain of plasma arrows turning entire star into twister of rotating plasma and chunks of star. Magsarion is caught inside of it, but Khvarenah notices that not only his bleeding gradually slows down, but his blood, flesh, bones and organs become meaningless to him. He’s gradually removed from laws of physics and experiences form of conceptualization, if he will remain unchanging in the universe then it will hard to defeat Magsarion without the same kind of force (to put it simply, he’s gradually turning into God).
Khvarenah then provides us with his analysis of Magsarion’s abilities: (1) offense: attack power that increases in proportion to sum of killing intent (Saoshyant Aushedar) and ability to see through and create breaches (Saoshyant Mah), (2) defense: skill that evades direct attacks by perceiving breaches (Saoshyant Mah) and unbreakable body due to immutability (Melek Taus?).
That’s why Khvarenah is confused. With these abilities he shouldn’t be able to defeat Bahlavan, according to his calculations Magsarion is inferior to Bahlavan. Regardless of his immutability he shouldn’t overcome Bahlavan’s Garyoku and growth rate.
Nevertheless even when inside that cage of plasma and star debris Magsarion is still coldly observing Khvarenah.
Khvarenah then says that ultimate position (Taikyoku/Atziluth) he defines is when one awakens and emanates without end, unless killed by another “ultimate”.
btw. it seems Taikyoku/Atziluth in Avesta is called開闢/Kaibyaku (Big Bang).
He further says he once held this opportunity, but lost it and for that Magsarion calls him loser (kek).
In a single moment, Magsarion’s strength of existence increased beyond measure and with a single slash of his sword destroyed rotating star and nearly half of Saurva.
Khvarenah is astonished and guesses this’s a power he used to defeat Bahlavan.
Here we finally have more insight about Magsarion’s 3rd Commandments – upon analyzing and exposing essence of his opponent his true power activates. Most of that power is initialized every time his opponent changes, but it seems he becomes invincible once he captures truth about his opponent.
And so “Muzan Counseling” begins.
He mentions that he was in similar position with Varhram. But Magsarion didn’t stop fighting and knew that taking place of his brother isn’t enough. He isn’t dyed by anyone’s dreams so he doesn’t need friends. And because he decided he’s alone he can fulfill his wishes on his own.
He doesn’t try to build situation out of his own influence and hoping something will be born from it. Basically Magsarion is saying everyone should wipe their own asses.
This’s contrast to Varhram who left behind “inexplicable enlightenment” for people own interpretation and even calls Varhram “monster with 100 faces” and Khvarenah who is trying to regain his “ultimate position” by observing miracles of other people.
For Magsarion, his path belongs only to him. He even denies principles of Hadou Taikyoku, saying that law (Big Bang) that emanates regardless of his will is far from immutability and if Khvarenah accepts it as “uncontrollable phenomenon” then he will be eventually crushed by such a mechanism. Magsarion’s idea of killing his opponent after learning about them might seem roundabout but it contained no shame nor hesitation. Even if he will swallow world (“everyone”) he vows there will be no ambiguity to distort his way of life.
Upon hearing his determination, Khvarenah first calls it Hadou, but then quickly changes it to Madou (魔道), Magsarion’s personal way of life.
Khvarenah gradually awakens, saying that “everyone” is everything in this world transcending horizon of good and evil (duality) and only those who have Collapsed or have seen it up close can have that perspective.
Khvarenah remembers his past when he was hope of Asura and Collapsed through universal Tentsui, this’s a proof that he noticed what “everyone” is. But even that’s not enough, he must regain another truth.
He knows that to defeat Avesta he must hold smth that cannot be changed and finally pronounces full name of his Kaibyaku, Lokapala Vishvakarman Vaastu.
Immediately stars of the galaxy are filled with trails of light and billions of structure are created with hundred towers expanding to the end of Nayuta (那由他), beautiful city adorned with monuments and castles and covered by lapis lazuli. There’s no place for any impurity and violence here.
He doesn’t even want to kill or defeat Magsarion but “dye” him, because his essence is not violence. This’s still not a true emanation, because he cannot pronounce his immutability correctly, but he definitely has potential to ascend to heavens and unless Avesta isn’t at least equal to him it would be instantly wiped out.
Even Magsarion refuses to speak about this world because he knows the moment he will be dyed by it the moment he acknowledges it.
This’s true form of Khvarenah’s immutability, beauty. One of that values that transcend good and evil, present in all places and ages, possessing spirituality of comfort and purification. Those who will touch true beauty will be saved, no matter how one’s hurt it will make all suffering disappear and fill it with joy.

- cut to flashbacks of Divine Sword. She saw crying Khvarenah begging her to stay and despite the fact she wanted to stay, she left. That’s because she taught of herself as mere tool who should only listen to the will of her owner, direction of her power changing by them.
She was aware that universe is eternally changing through Tentsui so she should obey as the agent of that will (confirming she’s Sensory after all). Since this universe has two sides she was jealous of the other half (Nadare) because she changes every time one history ends (universal Tentsui) meanwhile she must remain immutable. But she accepted that as this’s the way of the world…until she ignored Khvarenah.
This was the only time she cursed herself so much, blaming her function and burning with remorse. Her decision to ignore Khvarenah caused him “die”, Savior that could save the world died because of her sin.
That’s why she decided to break this world and thus, she met with Varhram. She talked with many heroes, but he was “more than anyone” so far. He either seemed to trace conventional path of the Hero in a perfect shape or transcend it. Something that cannot be reversed once it goes too far. He felt scary even to her. So he was perfect for Divine Sword and made contract with him.
In his embrace her consciousness disappears in the flames of Muzanmuki and Divine Sword that remained immutable since the creation of the universe for the first time broke.
She will be reborn and achieve true miracle by walking on Meifu Mado (冥府魔道) together with him.

- all of this was seen by Quinn who still cannot move properly after she was stabbed by Elners turned into Khvarenah’s doll.
Quinn says that it’s pointless for Frederica and Munsarath to fight against Khvarenah because he’s no longer at the level that you can defeat. He’s now genuine concept, immutable and boundless law of “beauty”.
Quinn regardless of her will apologizes to Khvarenah, saying his current state is her own fault, but she knows these are memories of Divine Sword who is a kind of Muzanmuki.
All she now wants is to hug Khvarenah and respond properly without denying her will. She still believes that Khvarenah can regain his Halo and become everyone’s light and hope. Divine Sword turning into his daughter, Quinn, was a form of atonement for her.

- cut to Khvarenah vs Frederica and Munsarath
Beauty is sympathetic magic. It has power to purify souls of those who touched it and promote them to higher levels. In other words, beauty gives birth to beauty.
In fact, the only reason these two can fight against Khvarenah is due to Munsarath’s impaired vision, without it they would turn into dolls as well.
Elners and Fara no longer have any killing intent because of that so Frederica has no problems with killing them, no longer recognizing them as Satsujinki.
Even though they turned into kenzoku of Khvarenah they aren’t manipulated by him and they devote themselves to his immutable beauty out of their own will, their souls reaching higher dimensions. Because of this they don’t even try to fight against former master and leave themselves exposed, but Frederica and Munsarath can’t cut even a single hair on their heads.
They can barely endure few words of Khvarenah without admiring his “beauty” perhaps it’s a pride of Satsujinki that protects them or the fact Khvarenah is still incomplete.
He denies calling his kenzoku “dolls”, saying that dolls abandon their natural emotions and feel nothing, state that is not different from death and not smth he desires.
But Frederica says it’s exactly what happened to Elners and Fara.
Federica admits that she once wanted to kill Khvarenah, but not now since he doesn’t even feel like a living being. Khvarenah confirms it, saying he’s now immutable phenomenon. Although he’s unable to define what kind of concept it is he’s just one step away from godhood. This imperfection is the result of his kenzoku looking like empty dolls and he apologizes for it.
And this where Frederica draws a line – she’s angry that Khvarenah apologizes for his “evil”. She admits that she doesn’t really care about struggle of Avesta, but no one should be ashamed whether they’re good or evil. She proudly commits evil, killing people and bathing in their blood, so the sight of Forge of Ruin apologizing for his deeds brings to mind only one word to her – “ugly”.

- cut to Magsarion vs Khvarenah
Here Magsarion also called him ugly. And also reveals nature of his Commandment, he must continue to produce weapons. He says that should be obvious from all the junk he did shit out.
But in this Lokapola, this Boundless Capital created by Khvarenah there are no weapons, only buildings. In other words, Khvarenah already broke his Commandment.
Wielding his sword Magsarion turned into Big Bang of death with killing intent comparable to divinity approaching Khvarenah to kill him.
In his own words, Khvarenah isn’t immutable, he’s but an ugly sham wielding Commandment with distorted essence.

- cut to Quinn and Khvarenah
He’s already defeated in her embracement. She says that he’s beautiful and that his current state is only her fault. He was born to embody supreme “beauty” and make everything “beautiful” there shouldn’t be any speck of ruin inside him. If there weren’t any impurity in his growth he would definitely build ideal utopia.
That’s why Quinn is guilty because she sullied his soul with the image of weapon, but Khvarenah says he doesn’t regret anything. He desired to create something like her and even if he became “ugly” he doesn’t mind.
Khvarenah, consent with his fate, says Quinn fulfilled her mission to bring him miracles so he should do this job too.
Quinn jumped back reflexively before everything is devoured by black light.

- cut to Magsarion vs Khvarenah
Magsarion, now with the mindset to “devour” Khvarenah, slashes him embodying “miracle”.
Khvarenah’s full body is equivalent to 574 galaxies. Furthermore, even if incomplete, he reached Law of Kaibyaku so he’s estimated to be nearly 1,000,000 time stronger.
But it doesn’t matter. Magsarion saw through everything of Khvarenah and he vowed to kill “everyone” and destroy everything. If there are trillion of galaxies in the universe he cannot stop at the level of Khvarenah.
Thus, he shattered Lokapola, bisected Divine Halo and smashed Saurva into small pieces.
But he doesn’t stop. No matter how many corpses he accumulates he will just keep moving forward. He no longer relies of Star Spirit Blessing, but steps on the empty air with his own will. So long there’s prey and battlefield he will go beyond eternity.
Upon seeing him, remains of Khvarenah’s astral body called him “beautiful”. He says he was fascinated by Divine Sword that’s why he turned creation of weapons into his own Commandment. So even if it did spoil his essence and changed him into Forge of Ruin he doesn’t regret anything. Even if he lost his qualification to reach Throne, prayer of creating swords is shining forever. His path became part of a Disaster Sword (Magsarion): without Khvarenah the end of Varhram would have changed and Magsarion would be different. For the possibility of branching there was an alternative so the result could be similar, but it’s alternative so the same kind of Disaster Sword wouldn’t be born. So Khvarenah can proudly say he achieved his desire, he created “something like” Divine Sword.
He asks Magsarion for his prayer to be a part of him and he agrees, cutting him to pieces and swallowing him into Muzanmuki.
He remember his promise to Frederica. Since he killed Khvarenah and Bahlavan it’s finally time to settle score with her.


Damn it took a while.

There’s a lot to unpack here…so much that I don’t even know from where to begin.

My overall feelings of this chapter is that it was fucking awesome…but there’s sore taste in my mouth with how fast Khvarenah was defeated. I mean, how come he’s Muzan “greatest enemy” when even Bahlavan seemed like a much higher threat. I don’t get it. While we’re at it, wonder if Saurva’s parts will remain since we know they will be used to create Paralost’s star.
Unfortunately this’s something I was afraid of for a while now – that with current pacing it can only end in a boss rush and so far it’s like that.
“Beauty” being Khvarenah’s concept was rather unique. But in the end we never really saw his “final form” considering that impurity with Divine Sword.
Speaking of that, am I the only one who thinks Masada is baiting us in supporting Pantheon? I can almost hear him asking
“Do you want to see Gudou God Bahlavan? SUPPORT PANTHEON!”
“Do you want to see Hadou God Khvarenah? SUPPORT PANTHEON!”
It’s almost like he deliberately doesn’t show these awesome “what ifs” even though he knows we want to see them. But too bad, mobile games still suck.
Magsarion is fucking strong!...and I’m not sure whether it’s praise or complaint. On the other hand, we knew he will turn into absolute beast, but at this point he’s just steamrolling through everything, which makes me worried for future battles.
We still don’t have full picture of his Commandment, but it’s definitely has something to do with this seeing through his enemy and developing power to defeat them. Maybe that’s why he feared Varhram – he’s so ambiguous that he can’t read him. So ironically, someone like Snake would probably be harder for him to beat than say, Hajun or Ren.
I wonder if Madou (魔道) will be an actual thing referenced in the future or is it exclusive to Magsarion (probably the second option). Because he definitely denies principles of Hadou Gods in that he will stop emanation with his own will. Still, the fact Paralost people are all “evil” doesn’t it mean he failed? Naraka also recognize him as Hadou God, not some Madou God.
I remember when I talked with trexalfa about Varhram being the final boss. That’s before we barely knew who he was..but honestly I wonder just how “good” he is. The fact even Divine Sword feared his ambiguity says a lot about him.
That “alternative” mentioned by Khvarenah – was he speaking about Sirius? I can’t think of anyone else.
Shinken and Nadare being avatars of Mitra – no surprise here.
Frederica of all people dropping truth bombs on Khvarenah was not smth I did expect, but not gonna lie, I liked it.
edit: also, too bad we probably won't see Star Spirit Blessings from Magsarion. On one hand it's obvious he won't be using them, on another they were pretty damn awesome so it's a shame.
edit1: Magsarion not being fully human wasn't that much of a surprise, but the fact Khvarenah recognized who he was and meet something else like him really makes me wonder what is that "strange factor".

That’s it.

Next week’s glossary shouldn’t a problem considering all these new terms and then we have final chapter of 3rd volume which I believe should end on some sweet cliffhanger. And I bet my ass on Munsarath interfering in the fight of Magsarion and Frederica.

I really wish not just Masada but others author/companies would drop the idea of gachas, i would actually bother to support if masada wanted to do a offline game with gameplay,hedoesn't need to have a single game but can make sequeles with new characters and others things, like Rance there is what 10 games? He could do the same with Shinza but in a diffeent way
 

trexalfa

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Here's the latest glossary:

  • Lanka and Madurai:
The Hero and his wife, who acted as the leaders of the Asura, the Yazata of the old age.

The final battle against the previous Nadare ended up as a draw, which meant death for them, however, just before that, they dropped by for a short visit in Khvarenah's planet (that is, what is known as the main star of Saurva, the Star Cluster of Extinction, in the present), meeting his childish self just before his awakening.

  • Singularity Vahana:
Nadare's domain during the old age. That is, it is Angra Mainyu, meaning the "Chariot of God". Furthermore, in previous ages, it has been called things such as Merkabah or Amanoukifune, and this too possesses the same meaning.

Finally, all of these have been the domain of Nadare across the different generations of the position.

  • Hiranyapura:
The headquarters of the Asura, a planet that possessed a role identical to that of Wahman Yast.

Through the use of Fractured World by the previous Nadare, a great number of powerful Deva were sent in, which resulted in the complete annihilation of the Asura, with the exception of Lanka and Madurai. The planet too suffered catastrophic damage. Later on, Lanka and Madurai restored Hiranyapura through the use of their daughter as a human sacrifice and, after a short visit to Khvarenah's origin, they headed towards the final battle.

Because this daughter was the Bushyasta of later years, the planet in which Varhram was born was Hiranyapura as well.

  • Lokapala Vishvakarman Vastu:

Khvarenah's Hegemony (Hadou). A New World to completely cover the universe, with the "Beauty" believed by him to be Immutable as an absolute truth.

It is a kind of Big Bang, a Creation of Heaven and Earth (Tenchi Kaibyaku), the work of a God which would be called things such as Atziluth (Emanation) and Taikyoku in further eras.

The existences who reach this level become All of Creation itself, thus, the ideology and nature of he or she will become an omnipresent, universal Law regarding the current age... basically, the primordial mechanism of this work's world.

The one ruling the present universe is, obviously, Avesta, however, Khvarenah's "Beauty" was supposed to become a new Law to replace it. In spite of there being several ways to understand the very simple word "Beauty", the one which Khvarenah embodies is artistic, cultural "Beauty". That is, painting, the industrial arts of crafting, architecture, music, poetry, et all. In his world, every single lifeform would possess extreme artistic genius and sensitivity.

Thus, flowers and animals will create "beautiful" nature, and additionally, intelligent life, who have received inspiration from that, will bring a rich civilization into being, accelerating the arts even further in a process of synergy of "Beauty". The pure, devout feelings everyone would come to harbour within their hearts upon seeing, touching and feeling "Beautiful" things would become salvation that will bring an end to turbulent times.

Because it is a Law which has eliminated strife in this way as its very premise, its compatibility with the "Beauty" dwelling in weapons and in the arts of battle is bad. In spite of this, because Khvarenah was bewitched by the Divine Sword, it became impossible for this Hegemony to be made complete.

  • Pushpaka Ratha:
Khvarenah's Commandment. In exchange for the binding of "having no choice but to continue giving birth to things that will become weapons", he gets "Becoming an atrocious, mighty incarnation of destruction" as a boon. That is, his power to grow up to the size of a Hypergiant Star, as well as to keep multiplying Saurva, the Star Cluster of Extinction, without an end in sight, finds its origin in this Commandment.

A Workshop of Destruction soaring across the heavens. A Halo of War, a chakram, accelerating endless wars through its creations, unable to become a Halo of Light, a true Khvarenah (Zoroastrian concept, not his name). That phrase is quite apt to describe Archdemon Khvarenah. If we were to enumerate his tragedies, it'd be something like what's presented below.

Because he came to hold a "Yearning towards swords" through his meeting with Divine Sword before his very birth, the essence of the "Beauty" he should have embodied was distorted, and he lost his qualification to reach the level of a God. Thus, he became unable to defy the Great Tentsui that followed, being driven mad in the process.

In spite of this, his "Yearning towards swords" vaguely remained, and he established this Commandment as a memento of that. As a result, he fell into a vicious circle: the more faithful he was to his binding, the farther away he strayed from his original form, his Oblivion deepening even further. Let's assume that, as a result of remembering about his truth, he manifested his Hegemony of "Beauty", because that'd result in the breaking of his Commandment, divine punishment would fall down upon him.

However, as a matter of fact, Khvarenah was totally fine. Through his contact with Magsarion, he was able to regain just enough Divinity to oppose Avesta's divine punishment, however, if we looked at it from another perspective, due to dedicating part of his power towards this, he became unable to exhibit his power to perfection.
 
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Boomy

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I was hoping for some info about Magsarion and Bahlavan first, but can't complain with what we have. Especially if you read between lines.

I guess war between good and evil in previous cycles had more irregulars like Khvarenah, considering this war being waged across entire universe is the result of him shitting out his own children (edit: although with star spirits around I wonder how much true this is). And since current Nadare said previous cycle was even more disastrous it really makes me want to learn about previous wars, even if it's unlikely we will learn a lot about them.

One thing I missed is how Lanka and Madurai knew Khvarenah will have Hadou. It's one thing to see how it influences others (this's probably the source of unease Shotasarion felt when he talked with Varhram) and another when they literally knew he will awaken one.

Also, Lanka is called "hero" in that entry. So I wonder if it's the same type as Varhram. It seems he was also the previous owner of Divine Sword so I doubt it's a coincidence. Shinken herself said direction of her power will change depending on who's using her so if Varhram was also holder of muzanmuki I guess it influenced her drastically (for better or worse).

I'm still not sure what Hiranyapura changing into Bushyasta could mean, but I'm sure Masada is hinting at smth. Maybe it will be a good opportunity to explain why conflict in the universe was confined to a single planet?

Lanka and Madurai's daughter is Bushyasta (who is yet another loli...such a letdown) after all. But it's worth to note her sacrifice is described as hitobashira (人柱) here

The fact it became know as star that's breeding heroes makes me wonder if there's something special about this star, even without star spirit.
Now I hope we will see more of Bushyasta and her encounter with Varhram, her dying in madness and all.

Big Bang being Avesta's Atziluth/Taikyoku was pretty disappointing. Would prefer something from Zoroastrianism, although I guess Masada was aiming for more universal term since as we have learned Ahura Mazda isn't limited to a single religion.

It's too bad that we probably won't see Khvarenah with pure Hadou because his Commandment will get in a way. Again, it will be possible only in what if scenario from Pantheon. Damn you Masada.
Concept itself is pretty interesting, almost like a non-shitty combination of Zoar and Zarathustra. Although tbh I don't see anything that would prevent another Hadou to arise.
Also, that part about divinity shitting on punishment from breaking Commandment is rather intriguing. Because it's precisely this concept that prevented Mitra from speaking about Naraka in Saoshyant Desatir. So she was either lying or Mitra is excluded from this rule and can receive punishment even as a god.

If Magsarion himself took part (or entirety) of Khvarenah's prayer then I wonder if it will be used to explain this
 

trexalfa

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I guess war between good and evil in previous cycles had more irregulars like Khvarenah, considering this war being waged across entire universe is the result of him shitting out his own children (edit: although with star spirits around I wonder how much true this is). And since current Nadare said previous cycle was even more disastrous it really makes me want to learn about previous wars, even if it's unlikely we will learn a lot about them.

That's something we knew since even before Avesta proper started: Khvarenah's role in letting war spread so far and wide but, since other "histories" also share the fact that the war in between Good and Evil was waged across the universe, then they must have found other ways to take off planet.

One thing I missed is how Lanka and Madurai knew Khvarenah will have Hadou. It's one thing to see how it influences others (this's probably the source of unease Shotasarion felt when he talked with Varhram) and another when they literally knew he will awaken one.

Also, Lanka is called "hero" in that entry. So I wonder if it's the same type as Varhram. It seems he was also the previous owner of Divine Sword so I doubt it's a coincidence. Shinken herself said direction of her power will change depending on who's using her so if Varhram was also holder of muzanmuki I guess it influenced her drastically (for better or worse).

IMO it is implied Khvarenah was raised by the Asura specially to become their new Throne God, though it seems that Nadare murked things up for them by attacking Hiranyapura. Ah case similar to Hajun's? BTW, I think this is quite similar to what happens in the "current history" of the 1st Shinza, Nadare using Houkai and teleporting fierce enemy to the headquarters of the side relying on numbers, headquarters which end up completely decimated... only the Asura ended up in an even worse situation than the Yazata (probably because our Nadare didn't even wish to end them there).

I am 100% positive this means Lanka is the Hero of this period, and he's Shinken's wielder as well. But keep in mind Varhram was no average Hero, it's likely Lanka is the average "Hero" you find in the "colony" side of each cycle.

I'm still not sure what Hiranyapura changing into Bushyasta could mean, but I'm sure Masada is hinting at smth. Maybe it will be a good opportunity to explain why conflict in the universe was confined to a single planet?

Lanka and Madurai's daughter is Bushyasta (who is yet another loli...such a letdown) after all. But it's worth to note her sacrifice is described as hitobashira (人柱) here

The fact it became know as star that's breeding heroes makes me wonder if there's something special about this star, even without star spirit.
Now I hope we will see more of Bushyasta and her encounter with Varhram, her dying in madness and all.

IMO it is only because of its past as Hiranyapura that it was deemed an adequate Hero breeding ground. There might be something more to it though, that I won't deny. Last chapter, Lanka and Madurai hoped both Khvarenah and their daughter would join hands and save the universe. This scene happens after Bushyasta becomes hitobashira.

Big Bang being Avesta's Atziluth/Taikyoku was pretty disappointing. Would prefer something from Zoroastrianism, although I guess Masada was aiming for more universal term since as we have learned Ahura Mazda isn't limited to a single religion.

IMO we still have not seen the official name: glossary has only told us it is the same as Atziluth and Taikyoku, but keep in mind what we have seen from Khvarenah and Magsarion are merely incomplete versions.

Also, that part about divinity shitting on punishment from breaking Commandment is rather intriguing. Because it's precisely this concept that prevented Mitra from speaking about Naraka in Saoshyant Desatir. So she was either lying or Mitra is excluded from this rule and can receive punishment even as a god.

I think she's been bullshitting her way through the other Gods through most of Saoshyant Desatir, sincerity is really not her thing. She might have been truthful in some areas, but most of it? Either full of half truths or outright lies.

Now for my little theory crafting. I still think Khvarenah is kind of Magsarion's previous cycle counterpart, that's why they were marketed as "the biggest of enemies". Thinking about it, it makes sense.

Now, what intrigues me the most is the entry of Singularity Vahana. It changes names with each cycle, and in the past it has been called shit like Merkabah and Amanoukifune... a term from Judeochristianity, and another from Shinto. Vahana and Angra Mainyu are Hindu and Zoroastrian, which fit the themes of the cycles they are present in... this means that previous histories of Ahura Mazda have taken on a Judeochristian and Shinto make up... just like Paradise Lost and KKK. Japanese fans have began to think that Ahura Mazda is indeed a Shinza microcosm... in the most literal of senses. All the future Thrones could already be prefigured within Shinga's universe, and her ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU vibe and statements in Saoshyant Desatir could be put in a new light. Previous cycle having Hindu themes could mean it is a prevalent aesthetic in say, Marie's World, for example.

Next up is that all these names share the common concept of being God's Chariot... Angra Mainyu though? That's the chief Zoroastrian evil deity, not a vehicle in which God rides. Yet Masada still says it means the same... I'm not getting it. Furthermore, what's the significance of it being "God's Chariot"? Does this mean this is the mothership of Starfleet Aditya, that is, Mitra's ship back when she was human? Is it because Nadare, who rules over it as their territory, is a proxy of Shinga's (God's) will, or because that ship will be heavily related to Muzan's birth?
 

Boomy

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That's something we knew since even before Avesta proper started: Khvarenah's role in letting war spread so far and wide but, since other "histories" also share the fact that the war in between Good and Evil was waged across the universe, then they must have found other ways to take off planet.
We really didn't. All we knew Khvarenah is responsible for expanding civilization in Avesta. Before it started we had no idea how much "previous Avestas" differ or if there are previous eras in the first place (we knew little to nothing about Tentsui back then).
IMO it is implied Khvarenah was raised by the Asura specially to become their new Throne God, though it seems that Nadare murked things up for them by attacking Hiranyapura.
Question remains, how did they knew Khvarenah will possess Hadou.
The only explanation I can think of is that their collective worship (trillions praising Khvarenah as a God) somehow contributed to that. Asura have collective mentality and they probably knew shared worship will give birth to miracle. Little far fetched, but not exactly impossible. After all, even Mitra said to Shinken there are those who carry hopes of other people and are swayed by them and those who dye others with own ideals and lead them.
IMO it is only because of its past as Hiranyapura that it was deemed an adequate Hero breeding ground. There might be something more to it though, that I won't deny. Last chapter, Lanka and Madurai hoped both Khvarenah and their daughter would join hands and save the universe. This scene happens after Bushyasta becomes hitobashira.
They also called Hiranyapura "a new world" that Bushyasta and Khvarenah were supposed to create. If that star was already existing then they wouldn't call it new world, much less one they must create. So I definitely think there's more to it than we think.
IMO we still have not seen the official name: glossary has only told us it is the same as Atziluth and Taikyoku, but keep in mind what we have seen from Khvarenah and Magsarion are merely incomplete versions.
Pretty sure it will be a Big Bang tho. I doubt Masada will go extra mile to create separate terms for complete and incomplete Taikyoku...although I wouldn't mind that seeing incomplete Taikyoku might play bigger role in the future.
I think she's been bullshitting her way through the other Gods through most of Saoshyant Desatir, sincerity is really not her thing. She might have been truthful in some areas, but most of it? Either full of half truths or outright lies.
Is she though? She definitely doesn't tell entire truth, but I doubt she's lying either. If she was lying then she would come up with excuses for Ren's questions, yet she outright said she can't tell.
Now for my little theory crafting. I still think Khvarenah is kind of Magsarion's previous cycle counterpart, that's why they were marketed as "the biggest of enemies". Thinking about it, it makes sense.
You might want to expand on that. I'm not sure what are you referring to.
Now, what intrigues me the most is the entry of Singularity Vahana. It changes names with each cycle, and in the past it has been called shit like Merkabah and Amanoukifune... a term from Judeochristianity, and another from Shinto. Vahana and Angra Mainyu are Hindu and Zoroastrian, which fit the themes of the cycles they are present in... this means that previous histories of Ahura Mazda have taken on a Judeochristian and Shinto make up... just like Paradise Lost and KKK. Japanese fans have began to think that Ahura Mazda is indeed a Shinza microcosm... in the most literal of senses. All the future Thrones could already be prefigured within Shinga's universe, and her ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU vibe and statements in Saoshyant Desatir could be put in a new light. Previous cycle having Hindu themes could mean it is a prevalent aesthetic in say, Marie's World, for example.

Next up is that all these names share the common concept of being God's Chariot... Angra Mainyu though? That's the chief Zoroastrian evil deity, not a vehicle in which God rides. Yet Masada still says it means the same... I'm not getting it. Furthermore, what's the significance of it being "God's Chariot"? Does this mean this is the mothership of Starfleet Aditya, that is, Mitra's ship back when she was human? Is it because Nadare, who rules over it as their territory, is a proxy of Shinga's (God's) will, or because that ship will be heavily related to Muzan's birth?
I still think it's too soon to jump into such conclusions. We don't even know process (if there's one) of renaming Singularity. It might as well be privilege of Nadare. In that case, current Nadare naming it Angra Mainyu would be pledge to oppose God (Ahura Mazda) as the last Nadare she craves to become.
But for what it's worth, Singularity was called womb at one point.
 

Boomy

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Immutable, Final Part:



Spoiler:
- we start with Sirius flasbacks, 2 months before Day of Collapse and the end of Varhram.
There he’s talking with his wife, who is (Mama) Quinn after all, at this point they’ve been “married” for 7 years. Sirius calls her Miko (巫女, literally Shrine Maiden) and says she’s already part of Varhram’s legend and since marriage of Varhram and Nahid has been postponed they’re thinking to announce their relationship to the public.
At the same time Shinken’s existence is gradually revealed to common folk. Mama Quinn is part of the Shrine Maiden of the Sword’s clan, it’s either pure coincidence or machinations of the fate that Sirius discovered them on Vahman Yasht. When Varhram was chosen as the “user” of the current generation there should be huge proclamation about it, but due to various circumstances it turned out to be impossible so they had to hide body of Shinken for the past 8 years.
Mama Quinn asks Sirius if that’s what he really wants, but he doesn’t have regrets about anything and that his only form of happiness is the victory of Varhram and thus, Ashavan. Mama Quinn doesn’t buy it though and says Sirius is trying to give up on something. However, he assures her nothing is wrong and instead asks her what he can do for her as a husband.
She asks for his seed, to give birth to his child.
Sirius agrees, but it’s hard to tell what is he feeling, he’s laughing and crying at the same time.
They have agreement that if Mama Quinn will get pregnant they will announce their relationship, if she won’t they will continue as normal.

- back to the present
12 Lords of Vahman Yasht and Princesses of Zahhak, as well as Roshan and Alma observe destruction of Khvarenah by the sword of Magsarion and as if ignoring Avesta they’re holding hands together delighted. This’s the result of their kings, Sirius and Kaikhosru’s Hadou, repainting their souls.
Kaikhosru in particular is very impressed by Magsarion and wants to make him his possession. Even now he sees Magsarion as a pawn in order to turn him into more reliable sword. He declares that all things in creation belong to him and that insatiable desire prove he’s also transcendent with perspective of “everyone”.
Meanwhile Sirius says Magsarion and his own interests are for the most part in agreement so they don’t get in each other way and after everything he won’t have problems in killing Magsarion.
Kaikhosru says he won’t lose to someone who doesn’t know “greed” and he’s not chasing such a shallow dream to kill and learn about someone. He further adds that if he were to splurge he’ll definitely get it back. His wealth is inexhaustible and not only it will not decrease if he were to spend it, on the contrary, it would increase. Those who were swallowed by that sword (I imagine he’s still talking about Magsarion here, but it’s a bit confusing) will eventually change shape and become his property.
Also, it seems that Frederica is really Sirius and Mama Quinn’ daughter (called it). Sirius recalls her (Mama Quinn). It seems he wants to wash away law of Avesta with his Hadou, turning their “shameful act” into mere illusion. Sirius vows to Mama Quinn she will open her eyes in the pure world and even if he wouldn’t be there he will fulfill his promise to not cry anymore.

- cut to Quinn just after destruction of Khvarenah
She recognizes this power as the divine prayer she felt from Magsarion of Druj Nasu, implying this’s related to his divinity after all. Having defeated 3 Demon Lords, 2 of which were the strongest, this feat technically surpassed that of Varhram, yet Quinn can’t feel happy about it, all she can do is to mourn her father, Khvarenah. At the same time she’s confused about these feelings due to Avesta and now that her reason for existence (collection of miracles) is finished she doesn’t know how to proceed.
Suddenly she’s hugged by Munsarath who asks her if she’s okay, he’s the one who saved her from Magsarion attack in the previous chapter. Munsarath can teleport, he doesn’t have to rely on the properties of Baliga but do this on his own. It’s an ability he was hiding until now and it’s pretty high-level, teleporting outside of Magsarion’s attack range and even without touching her. They were separated from Frederica because of Avesta’s division which fucked-up coordinates.
Quinn is naturally suspicious of Munsarath.
He’s treating her with utmost respect and care, something she finds disgusting because of Avesta. Feeling like she’s losing her sanity she challenges him to battle, but he refuses. He calls himself mere tool, fulfilling someone else wishes, but Quinn notices there’s unwavering pride in his words, in contrast to her who has no longer any purpose.
But Munsarath says she’s in position to embody duality of the world. As a Shinken, she was immutable tool, but she questioned it and took another path. Munsarath knew it and thus, he submitted to Varhram. People who keep pushing forward in unified manner without any change and immutable, but also dangerous, because once set on the path they can’t change directions. Shinken probably took it into consideration. Currently Shinken’s real body became Muzanmuki which governs hundred faces (百貌) and she left Quinn behind to create possibilities. In that case, she doesn’t need to consider duality of black and white and can have doubts, because she’s “Ayafuya” (literally “uncertain”). Quinn is literally symbol of remorse. And it’s her duty to convey that weight to the user of Shinken and continue to be difficult sword to use. She’s an anchor that prevents runaway of Muzanmuki through ambiguity (Ayafuya).
Here it’s confirmed that Munsarath is still devoted to Shinken, his true master. Moreover, Shinken is still around, observing from area that no one can see, crying.
They’re interrupted by Frederica with her maids behind her and no longer painted by Khvarenah’s Hadou.
Quinn thinks it’s only natural they have to fight, but Munsarath defends Quinn and officially betrays Frederica. So do other Satsujinki as it was revealed they’re loyal to him, not Frederica.
Suddenly, star is rumbling and Munsarath guesses it’s Magsarion and his expression is that of expectation, almost as if praying. He called him the “end of ■■■ …yeah, another censorship.
Magsarion appears and along with Frederica they start final dance.

- Magsarion vs Frederica
They have pretty standard fight with the only thing to note is that Frederica is a bit too happy getting hacked into pieces by her man. If you remember fight of Soujiro and Shiori this’s pretty much it.
Because of her immortality, she never knew pain, but now she does and she rejoices every second of it, declaring her love towards Magsarion.
Meanwhile, Magsarion is trying to learn everything about Frederica to activate his ability and kill her. So long he knows truth about his opponent he can kill anyone. It can be said he’s constructing special ability tailored to specific opponent, but even now he’s unable to read Frederica’s core. And combination of his two Commandments, Aushedar and Mah, is unable to do anything to her.
Since the only thing Frederica fears is her unfulfilled love, but is the type that will never accept reality no matter how hard it might be, Magsarion knows he must sever root of her love for him.
But he cannot do that, because he doesn’t understand why would she fall in love with in the first place, in fact, neither does she. People don’t need a reason to love someone.
Frederica cut Magsarion’s immutable body with her scythe that even Khvarenah and Bahlavan failed to do so. He doesn’t care and just slahes her head into pieces…all while she’s describing how hot he is.
In terms of pure combat Frederica is a very weak Maou, not only in the current generation but all Maou in general. That’s because she’s fundamentally human, while most Maou are powerful star spirits or transcendental species close to them. Furthermore, she’s inexperienced and her technique as Satsujinki is mediocre.
However, her immortality is unrivaled by anyone in the history. So long she will accept all attacks directed at her she can’t die. Even when Magsarion vaporized her body she still didn’t die.
Unconsciously, Frederica is singing. She heard this song when she was still in her mother’s womb, before she was assigned by Avesta. Magsarion knows this song and reacts strongly to it, yelling to shut her up. Also, Nahid in Avesta gaiden sing the same song :thonk
Magsarion is hearing Anija’s Heartbeat once again and we learn that he isn’t too happy about that, in fact, it’s unbearable to him. He devoted his existence to expose and destroy all ambiguity, but Varhram is the only one whom he couldn’t understand.
Magsarion and Frederica stab each other in a manner similar to hug and Magsarion’s immutable body is starting to crack. Probably because he’s unable to understand Frederica and on the contrary, she’s close to understand him.
Suddenly, Frederica has some sort of dream/vision that she normally shouldn’t possess.
She sees Shinken and Varhram’s flashbacks when they made contract with each other, in some different space/time. She describes Shinken as a woman of different dimension with divine pressure and Varhram as a man shining with no less intensity than her.
This scene has atmosphere of cutting out one-act of epic tale and sacredness used to decorate cathedrals.
However, the next scene she saw was different.
It’s a flashback of Sirius and Mama Quinn and her request to him. They’re hugging in the same manner as Varhram and Shinken, but there’s no divinity in them and they appear to be completely mediocre. It’s a choice of 2 foolish, weak and sad people.
Frederica is confused by this, because despite two different scenes the woman is the same person and only men are different.
In epic tale (with Varhram) woman is divine princess.
In tragic love tale (with Sirius) woman is modest wife.
Only the role is changed in response to man’s vessel and story.
The flow of information doesn’t stop and Frederica saw something which caused her to back off from Magsarion and return to reality.
Furious at Munsarath who was responsible for showing this to her by using link he established with her in their fight against Khvarenah she directed all of her bloodlust at him. But he doesn’t care and in fact has sick satisfaction as if that anger is what he was expecting.
She’s angry because he knew her relationship with Magsarion and kept silent about this.
But Munsarath says it’s misunderstanding this’s merely the result of her own actions due to Munsarath’s Zamyad Yasht – which causes Rebounding Gale (backlash) by the weight of order his current master gives him.
He himself doesn’t know timing and form of the Rebounding Gale, but even if Frederica was his temporary master, they’ve been together for a long time and thus, he can measure backlash on her existence or smth (tbh I’m not entirely sure what is he talking about).
What I know is that Munsarath is convinced Frederica falling in love with Magsarion is the result of that backlash, in other words, it’s fabricated.
Magsarion keeps on hacking Frederica into pieces, while Munsarath goes all “u mad bro?” at her.
To prove her love is genuine Frederica does the only thing that would make Munsarath shut up, she hesitates to receive Magsarion’s attacks, that means only one thing – her Commandment is broken.
This time Tentsui really works like a blessing and Federica changes into pure white maiden in love.
She tries to embrace Magsarion, but he’s confused and on the reflex stabs Frederica with his sword. This’s a fatal wound, because she’s now mediocre Ashavan and doesn’t have her Commandment.
She did that because she desires to remain his one and only immutable person, as someone who he wasn’t able to understand her. But Magsarion says he know another person he doesn’t understand (Varhram), to which Frederica replies she will remain unique, because Magsarion will meet him in the future.
Declaring her immutable love for her beloved hero, Frederica dies without regrets.

- just after their battle, Magsarion and Quinn are approached by Munsarath who congratulates him on his victory.
Magsarion is ready to fight, but Munsarath declines. In fact, he now pledge his loyalty, recognizing him as a new master, he and all Satsujinki kneel before Magsarion.
However, Magsarion recognizes him as a running dog of his brother and simply orders him to die :lmao
Without hesitation and smile on their faces, Munsarath and Satsujinki commit suicide by cutting their throats.
Magsarion doesn’t stop and proceeds further, leaving Quinn behind.

- cut to “perspective” of Samrukh, who due to effects of Melek Taus lost her sense of self and simply wanders in a vague white scenery, unable to remember or recognize anything.
She then hears voice of Magsarion who, like usual, is very insulting towards her…but this’s clearly tsundere moment for him and wants to help her.
And it’s working, because she’s gradually regaining her sense of self, telling him to shut up.
Magsarion reminds her of her Commandment – the more she’s lacking the more she will burn with power, so if she lost everything it will produce the highest power ever.
And so she keeps on running in that white scenery, seeing some figures around her that are crying. With all her power she’s chasing Magsarion, trying to punch him and carve her into his memory.
Samrukh vows she will keep watching him and will never let him escape.

- we cut to…somewhere.
Here narrative tells us that another story is over, or rather, that it was swallowed by larger story. Regardless, it has ended as an individual.
“It” enjoyed that fact and was sitting in a light sleep.
This territory is abyss of darkness that no one can touch, where even time loses its meaning. Embraced by that closes cradle “it” did not cut off perception to the outside world even for a moment, but never looked carefully to avoid knowing too much.
Everything is an imaginary pipe dream – this’s the first thing “it” realized about the world. There’s no sincerity at all and no one confirms it whereabouts.
“It” have been praying to build the future that "everyone" wants by playing the personality that "everyone" wants.
“It” wasn’t dissatisfied with that, rather it was fun. “It” loves playing with puppets and “everyone” loves it as well that’s why it was repeating for a long time now. In that case, the rest is just a matter of aiming towards perfection in their roles.
If everything is a farce anyway, at least make it look gorgeous and outstanding.
It is very serious about it, with extraordinary talent. It became known as “legend” and even penetrates roots of this world.
But that became problem, if one goes beyond prepared stage then you don’t know how to play. “It” cannot decide its role without script. Those who are aware of living in fiction don’t know how to think on their own.
While fully meeting the expectation of “everyone”, “it” has trembled like a puppy wandering in a wasteland. “It” was allowed to take break once in the flow, but since the essence approaches oblivion it cannot be saved. Death sentence is approaching.
At that time “it” receives blessing from someone (Sirius), who “it” recognizes as a true legend and savior.
He promised “it” that he will prepare new stage (world) even if the current one is over and give “it” a new role.
In a darkness, “it” laughed holding a “sword”. Preying and swelling on prayers, it’s almost time to drop a curtain.
What kind of “sword” did that child become? What miracle she found? Does he still can’t give up?
“It” wants to play with all of that, cut it open and dedicate everything to death throes of twill pattern.
Horrifying wave of malice fluttered in the shape of wings or rather, it’s colorless.
For “everyone”. For justice. For him, her and that child.
It's just a matter of devoting yourself to the required role. “It” who is more serious than anyone else, will dance according to the script with the best talent.
Therefore, it was decided that hell would materialize. All “it” has to do is wait for the opening.
The Wing of Darkness, Aka Manah, are sleeping in the darkness of ignorance while dreaming of awakening.



That was surprisingly subdued final chapter, but it’s clearly silence before the storm.

This chapter proves my IQ is at least 300 :cat
- according to Baliga's entry in glossary, before Separation Technique it was sacred place for Ashavan and had some connection to Varhram, now it's treated as shameful part of the history after it became origin of Maou
And speaking about Separation Technique, Mama Quinn was in position to protect this castle and her clan inherited special task.
For me, this further reinforces theory that Mama Quinn and her clan had something to do with Divine Sword. If she's really that woman in Sirius' flashback then she fucked up somewhere, causing Shinken to run away.
Considering pre-Satsujinki Baliga was a special place for Varhram I imagine their role was to find suitable hero to wield it.
But like usual with Avesta, we have one answer and dozens of more questions.
No surprise with Frederica being daughter of Sirius and Mama Quinn, its been a theory since forever.
I don't think greed is entirely Kaikhosru's essence if he doesn't care about wasting it. But I wonder if that "make more by doing splurge" is a hint towards his Commandment (that was one of the examples in Saoshyant Desatir iirc). Also, if he has persepctive of "everyone" then it means he either experienced Tentsui or saw it.
Reveal of Shinkena nd Quinn's purpose...I will have to give it more thought. There's a surprsingly thin line between Muzanmuki and Ayafuya.
Magsarion vs Frederica was okay. Not anything outstanding, but it's not like action scenes is the esscence of that fight. However, I have no fucking idea how Frederica was able to land hits on Magsarion with Saoshyant Mah.
And speaking of Frederica, she definitely is the biggest winner so far. Dying without regrets, becoming someone special for her man (because you know Magsarion won't forget it) and fucking up Munsarath's performance - in my book this's definitely a V.
Also, Munsarath...I know I shouldn't be surprised that how he turned out to be such a nasty piece of shit, but I dunno, that sudden change in character is almost cartoonish. Although I guess it makes sense, he was just playing his role. Someone on japanese wiki called him "Shinno dressed in the skin of Kurana" and imo this's the best possible description of him. As for his death, no idea, did he really die? If yes then Magsarion better be ready for some backlash.
Also, is it safe to assume that Magsarion is a son of Varhram and Shinken after all? Maybe too soon, but it would make sense if you look at Frederica's reaction (I mean, it would technically mean they're half-siblings)...or it could mean they're just another "pair" after Varhram-Shinken and Sirius-Mama Quinn.
Not gonna lie, that scene with Samrukh was weird and a bit out of place. I don't really understand what will become of her.
And the cherry on top, Aka Manah finally appears...and I'm still not entirely sure who it is. If you read it then the first thing that comes to mind is obviously Varhram, but reading between lines could also mean it's Nahid or heck, even Shinken. Whoever it is, Aka Manah definitely has that final boss presence and I wouldn't be surprised if he was really one (not sure what about Mitra, but whatever). Also, character who relishes in being a puppet is pretty new, most characters in Masadaverse, whether positive or negative, rebel again fate, Aka Manah clearly enjoys the role he was given.

Next chapter will probably start with interlude.
 

Boomy

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It's just a random thing, but I was looking through tvtropes and page quote for "Above Good and Evil" made me laugh:
"The man who is to be great is the one who can be the most solitary, the most hidden, the most deviant, the man beyond good and evil, lord of his virtues, a man lavishly endowed with will — this is precisely what greatness is to be called: it is able to be as much a totality as something multi-faceted, as wide as it is full."

— Friedrich Nietzsche

It's funny how it can be applied to both Magsarion and Varhram.
 

Boomy

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Next chapter will probably start with interlude.
Topkek, it actually did.



Summary of interlude, Divine Sword:

Spoiler:
- we start with flashbacks, somewhere at the beginning of current Avesta (so around 2000-3000 years ago).
Here we have a talk of Divine Sword/Shinken, whose real name is Ahura Mazda and current Nadare, who was just “promoted” to being one. Realizing true nature of the universe and Tentsui, Nadare is clearly mad, but Shinken isn’t surprised because that was reaction of every Nadare until now.
The woman that became Nadare rejects her new identity and tries to pronounce her name but she can’t because rank of Nadare’s name outweighs her own name and she’s unable to deny that. Similar to Shinken, Nadare’s concept exists from the beginning of the universe, so thoughts and stories of individuals cannot counter them. So if one is chosen to be Nadare, they’re forced to live as Nadare.
Nadare rejects that fate as well and swears she will destroy this world. But this’s also something Shinken heard from every Nadare before her and after 700-800 years their personalities are overwritten and accept they’re merely tools of the God.
It seems that prerequisite to become Nadare is to be weak enough to submit before power they’ve suddenly gained, but not stupid enough to be ignorant of that fact. So ordinary person with clever mind.
Shinken tells Nadare that they’re standing on two opposing sides, white and black respectively and they’re responsible for the balance of the universe. That’s why Shinken cannot destroy concept of Nadare and vice versa.
Every struggle by good and evil (called “game” by them) is always triggered by Nadare using Houkai on Shinken and sending her to the random place in the universe who is then found and used by hero.
According to Shinken, each cycle of Avesta ends in about 2000-3000 years, so by reign of Shinga we can guess there have been anywhere from 6 to 15 cycles until now (ofc assuming we’re near the end of her reign).
Nadare is still angry, but unlike past incarnations this one proposes cooperation with Shinken in the act of rebellion. Also, Shinken expresses her guilt of rejecting Khvarenah (whether it’s genuine is unknown, but seems to be so).
They don’t know what will arise from this cooperation and maybe even horrible Meifu Madou (Magsarion) will be born, but even if it will result in death of everyone it’s still better than current state of the universe. In order to save distorted “everyone” it’s necessary to destroy it once and for all.
Nadare uses Houkai on Shinken and new Avesta begins.

- it’s been 1000 years since Nadare used Houkai on Shinken
Just like Nadare’s Houkai, Shinken also has her own authority. Part of that ability allows her to observe entire universe at all times. She normally doesn’t make much of this ability, because she identifies as tool, but this time she observed world with intention to punish her sin (rejecting Khvarenah).
Then we have random descriptions of events occurring in the universe, which just show how much of a shithole Mitra’s world is: man and woman who express mutual love while trampling child under their feet, herd of beasts gnashing their teeth at a family, flock of human-faced trees erupting from sea of blood and turning fighting sides into disjointed mess, patriots and believers dying without seeing miracles, hunters bringing both beasts and humans to feast on them, man who insulted happiness of the woman, they both threw themselves into sea and grudge from their corpses poisoned it, killing all forms of life, etc. No matter where she looked everyone just killed, massacred, eaten and intertwined with each other without end.
The Halo (Khvarenah) who was born to be miracle of everyone Collapsed and turned into strongest Maou and something far from what he’s supposed to be.
Daughter of Lanka and Madurai, Bushyasta, couldn’t stand this ruthless reality and escaped into freedom of madness. She submerged herself into the world of dreams and tried to drown past in her sleep, but this only resulted in nightmares covering her star.
Tyranny of Nadare who was trying to accelerate, or perhaps extinguish these conflict subsided in about 500 years. It’s a little early compared to past Nadare and even Shinken doesn’t know what her intention is. Since they inhabit the most distant positions she can’t tell what exactly she’s doing.
Then we have more details about how Shinken is operating.
A little over 1000 years after she departed from Nadare she finally landed on a star. However, since she’s a sword, she can’t walk on her own and requires someone with heart to find her as a premise.
This isn’t something she’s worried about as Dragvant won’t approach her as one look at her will fill them with fear and disgust. Furthermore, area where she’s secured turns into Sanctuary, white flower sprout, animals gather and form a calm safety zone.
After it’s done, intelligent life forms worship her and she’s strengthened by sucking on their prayers. Since this continues from creation of the universe her power cannot be measure even by herself. Converting it into pure power will result in act of tearing heavens and if you commit to salvation it will turn into divine power causing miracles.
So those who worship her first questions her origins, goals and intentions. However, in order to hear her “voice” one must have certain amount of spiritual sensitivity. In other words, to be high-ranked Yazata, beings referred to as Shamans. And because of her own gender she’s the most compatible with women.
After 200 years of waiting, suitable vessel finally arrived and she became oracle of Shinken, Maiden of Sword. Purity of their blood will increase through Shinken’s will and their duties will be inherited from generation to generation.
Only those who can use Shinken can pull her out of the earth and after it’s done she will submit to that person and offer them all of her prayers.
First proof of distortion from the usual course of action was the appearance of Killer Demon, Munsarath. While described as small fry by Shinken, the fact he was able to invade Sanctuary proved he has qualities that cannot be overlooked. This’s when he decided to impose new vow on himself.

- then we have events unfolding from the perspective of Munsarath, about 100 years have passed since he formed contract with Shinken.
His Commandment, Ushtan Yasht’s vow gives him ability to see future in exchange of sight abandonment and memory oblivion so Shinken resets his memory every morning, but he doesn’t mind and experiences each day as a new being.
Munsarath task was to rampage on this star and get attention of the hero, to become great evil that brave needs to overcome.
On a day when Varhram defeated/killed Bushyasta, Shinken felt that and immediately realized he’s the one she was looking for. Munsarath kept swinging his saw and after 7 years, Hero finally arrived.
Varhram is accompanied by dozens of Yazata, including “scary woman” (Nahid).
Munsarath says that if Varhram wants to see Shinken he must defeat him first.
Varhram then says something that caused him shock equal to that of meeting Shinken – he outright guessed his Commandment can see the future. What really surprised Munsarath is his combat prowess, or rather, his intuition or spirit.
Munsarath is confident that he can keep up with anyone as long it’s 1vs1 due to his precognition. That because he can seal his opponent action from the “moment of occurrence” regardless of how powerful they are. Even if his opponent can use Garyoku to crush stars he can use it to distract opponent’s will and crush it in advance. While they’re limits in huge power difference between himself and his opponent he can still use it to avoid direct hits. And since he’s immortal as a
Killer Demon he has no fear of losing.
Varhram immediately understood that Munsarath’s Commandment doesn’t just see future, but it can actually attract and fix convenient future. This’s something that even Munsarath couldn’t comprehend about his own Commandment, yet Varhram realized this almost instantly. According to Varhram, depending on how you it’s possible to create situation where you want to lose.
And just like a child, he told Munsarath he wants it.
What Munsarath felt at that moment is awe and fear equal or even surpassing the time he met with Shinken. According to Munsarath “knowing” creates powerful diginity, that’s why he established Commandment that can see the future and formed contract with being possessing the most wisdom in the universe. Yet, completely incomprehensible being appeared before him. He can’t tell whether Varhram’s point of view is at the end of sky or bottom of the earth, whether it’s back or front, deep or shallow. However, only one thing is certain about Varhram – about overreaching confidence in “victory”. What is his foundation? Unknown. He’s too transparent to call him just a fool and can only be described as monster where only unknown identity stands out. In front of this unnamed monster Munsarath can only scream in his chest. Going as far as questioning God why would (s)he made him meet with someone like Varhram.
In barbaric rage and fear Munsarath swings his saw at Varhram in a very clumsy way, as if giving “victory” to him. Expecting to miss, much to his surprise he actually cuts Varhram in half, he couldn’t see this future and he realized he already admitted his defeat and his Commandment was deprived by Varhram. With his Garyoku diverted and gaps in his defense, Varhram slashes him with a laugh and only his upper body.

- Munsarath regains his consciousness, finding himself hanging by his legs, with Garyoku gone and would healing slowly.
Intrigued by his defeat Munsarath sets Varhram as his new master. He doesn’t consider it betrayal to Shinken because they’re both partners destined to be together so he can set two of them as his “only master”.
Varhram himself greed him as if not looking through Avesta. Also, he already knows Munsarath has 2nd Commandment.
Munsarath asks for an order and he instinctively knows Varhram wants to use Rebounding Gale of his Commandment for the sake of his “victory” and as such, he asks him to sleep forever.

- following that, Munsarath was sealed in a Sanctuary.
However, he can still use his Commandment to synchronize his point of view with his masters and uses it to observe destined meeting between Varhram and Ahura Mazda.
This’s scene with have seen few times already, but now in full detail.
Varhram and Ahura Mazda form a contract. They’re both extremely compatible, becoming invaluable existence for each other.
Varhram told her about his fight with Bushyasta. How she tried to break him with her nightmares, but she couldn’t do that and instead her own nightmares assaulted her, probably showing her unpleasant memory she had sealed inside her. He couldn’t tell what it was but he still can’t forget her expression and words “Dad, mom, I’m sorry. Wherever you are, please help me”. It was back then when Varhram realized she has Collapsed, against her own will which is unlike what is known in Vahman Yasht. Shinken says that despite endowing her users with miracles she cannot escape from spiral of defeat.
Here we learn why Shinken appeared before Varhram by possessing body Shaman, simply put, they fuck. Intending to “give birth” to their vow in firm form.
Varhram is silent but he doesn’t refuse her. That’s because his point of view was already a mass of mysteries and since he now has Munsarath’s Commandment it’s impossible to tell how far his insight reaches.
Munsarath can only think of 2 reasons of why they’re doing that. First is the creation of factor that contains karma of self-destruction so they intend to entrust future to their child. Second is to use that child as a driving force to let them ascend to the higher realms as a disposable bomb.
Could be both, could be neither and even if there are more reasons Munsarath doesn’t know about them at all.
From now on, all the “blood” that’s connected to Varhram and Shinken is considered to be kenzoku of the sword. Not only their child, but even Shamans and their servants.

- cut to Sirius and Varhram
The first one is angry at Varhram since he should know his life doesn’t exist just for his own sake anymore. Sirius is already aware that his best friend committed adultery with Shinken’s Shaman and thus, betrayed his sister.
Sirius wants to become Holy King to spare Nahid fate of carrying Commandment – to remember all living beings that Vohu Manah knows. Even if Varhram is convinced she would be able to do that, Sirius says the problem doesn’t lie there, but in the fact Varhram and Nahid’s relationship is already recognized by a public. If her love were to be broken it would result in drama where she would fill that suffering with responsibility of the King.
Sirius doesn’t want anyone to cry within his reach, or to be precise, he wants to kill illusion that crying is precious. According to Varhram though, Sirius is desperately looking for a pretext of failure.
Sirius departs to kill Shaman (Mama Quinn), but Varhram isn’t worried, because they both know he won’t kill her and in fact, married her.
Sirius is a tense man who is easily lost that’s why he tried to make Varhram his dream to fill that gap. In the end, he wonders what his true value is.

- truth about Shinken was revealed to public, giving rise to multiple rumors about child of Varhram and who is the mother.
But truth remained only among Sirius, Varhram, Shinken and Shamans.
Unexpectedly, Varhram decided raise that child on his own.
The child name is Magsarion, demon child of destiny who carries extraordinary karma from the beginning.

- cut to Day of Collapse and the end of Hero
Upon witnessing the horrible end of Varhram, Nahid lost her mind and instead, submerged herself into the world of illusions, singing the same song as Frederica in the previous chapter. This’s well known hymn of happiness in the Vahman Yasht. It’s been said that lyrics and melody created by her have mysterious power and in fact she ignited many spirits in the past. However, there’s no longer any blessing in her voice.
At the end of her sight is Magsarion himself, as if entrusting her hope to him. Sirius is less than positive, this child has no talent at all and there’s only grudge, hatred and killing intent dwelling in his heart. From the start, this boy was inhuman as being born from monsters can only be one himself.
As to prove that Sirius recalls his fight against previous 4th Demon Lord. This one was genuine monster without intellect and probably the most heinous one. Sirius discovered underground cave that was this monster’s den. It was full of bodies in pieces, tortured in the worst possible ways. In that cave they were violated by that monster for days, without being able to escape. So what they requested from Sirius was simple, only death could be their salvation. So he kept slash and slashing them, telling himself this’s his responsibility as the Holy King.
Ahura Mazda gives power to those who stood with her on the battlefield for a long time, weak Yazata become powerful enough to challenge special-class Daeva on their own, phenomenon of kenzoku conversion. The amount of people receiving this blessing was steadily increasing around Varhram. But even though Sirius was fascinated by Varhram more than anyone and spend time with him more than anyone, there was no blessing befalling upon him. That’s because Sirius resents Shinken. He hates her for seducing his best friend for some unknown reason, for giving birth to ominous child and for covering Vahman Yasht with shadow.
After killing unfortunate women in Maou’s den he was comforted by a hug of his sister, but at the same time, he felt scared for some reason. He doesn’t want to know what that means so he sealed Nahid in Frozen Seal. Now that Varhram is dead he’s afraid face her. That’s why being embraced by distorted world is more comfortable – it’s impure, ominous and hard to come by, but not scary. He vows to defeat Mad Mother and create new world.
For a moment, before he seals her sister she looks at him as if ridiculing and mocking.
Driven by indescribable fear he paints it as an illusion and leaves the room.
On the verge of tears he thinks about Mama Quinn, wishing to see her. 3 years later he learned about her death and 10 years later he learned that their daughter (Frederica) became Maou.


I will give my opinion later (or not) because I’m exhausted.
 

lokoxDZz

This is a goodbye, Smile.
Topkek, it actually did.



Summary of interlude, Divine Sword:

Spoiler:
- we start with flashbacks, somewhere at the beginning of current Avesta (so around 2000-3000 years ago).
Here we have a talk of Divine Sword/Shinken, whose real name is Ahura Mazda and current Nadare, who was just “promoted” to being one. Realizing true nature of the universe and Tentsui, Nadare is clearly mad, but Shinken isn’t surprised because that was reaction of every Nadare until now.
The woman that became Nadare rejects her new identity and tries to pronounce her name but she can’t because rank of Nadare’s name outweighs her own name and she’s unable to deny that. Similar to Shinken, Nadare’s concept exists from the beginning of the universe, so thoughts and stories of individuals cannot counter them. So if one is chosen to be Nadare, they’re forced to live as Nadare.
Nadare rejects that fate as well and swears she will destroy this world. But this’s also something Shinken heard from every Nadare before her and after 700-800 years their personalities are overwritten and accept they’re merely tools of the God.
It seems that prerequisite to become Nadare is to be weak enough to submit before power they’ve suddenly gained, but not stupid enough to be ignorant of that fact. So ordinary person with clever mind.
Shinken tells Nadare that they’re standing on two opposing sides, white and black respectively and they’re responsible for the balance of the universe. That’s why Shinken cannot destroy concept of Nadare and vice versa.
Every struggle by good and evil (called “game” by them) is always triggered by Nadare using Houkai on Shinken and sending her to the random place in the universe who is then found and used by hero.
According to Shinken, each cycle of Avesta ends in about 2000-3000 years, so by reign of Shinga we can guess there have been anywhere from 6 to 15 cycles until now (ofc assuming we’re near the end of her reign).
Nadare is still angry, but unlike past incarnations this one proposes cooperation with Shinken in the act of rebellion. Also, Shinken expresses her guilt of rejecting Khvarenah (whether it’s genuine is unknown, but seems to be so).
They don’t know what will arise from this cooperation and maybe even horrible Meifu Madou (Magsarion) will be born, but even if it will result in death of everyone it’s still better than current state of the universe. In order to save distorted “everyone” it’s necessary to destroy it once and for all.
Nadare uses Houkai on Shinken and new Avesta begins.

- it’s been 1000 years since Nadare used Houkai on Shinken
Just like Nadare’s Houkai, Shinken also has her own authority. Part of that ability allows her to observe entire universe at all times. She normally doesn’t make much of this ability, because she identifies as tool, but this time she observed world with intention to punish her sin (rejecting Khvarenah).
Then we have random descriptions of events occurring in the universe, which just show how much of a shithole Mitra’s world is: man and woman who express mutual love while trampling child under their feet, herd of beasts gnashing their teeth at a family, flock of human-faced trees erupting from sea of blood and turning fighting sides into disjointed mess, patriots and believers dying without seeing miracles, hunters bringing both beasts and humans to feast on them, man who insulted happiness of the woman, they both threw themselves into sea and grudge from their corpses poisoned it, killing all forms of life, etc. No matter where she looked everyone just killed, massacred, eaten and intertwined with each other without end.
The Halo (Khvarenah) who was born to be miracle of everyone Collapsed and turned into strongest Maou and something far from what he’s supposed to be.
Daughter of Lanka and Madurai, Bushyasta, couldn’t stand this ruthless reality and escaped into freedom of madness. She submerged herself into the world of dreams and tried to drown past in her sleep, but this only resulted in nightmares covering her star.
Tyranny of Nadare who was trying to accelerate, or perhaps extinguish these conflict subsided in about 500 years. It’s a little early compared to past Nadare and even Shinken doesn’t know what her intention is. Since they inhabit the most distant positions she can’t tell what exactly she’s doing.
Then we have more details about how Shinken is operating.
A little over 1000 years after she departed from Nadare she finally landed on a star. However, since she’s a sword, she can’t walk on her own and requires someone with heart to find her as a premise.
This isn’t something she’s worried about as Dragvant won’t approach her as one look at her will fill them with fear and disgust. Furthermore, area where she’s secured turns into Sanctuary, white flower sprout, animals gather and form a calm safety zone.
After it’s done, intelligent life forms worship her and she’s strengthened by sucking on their prayers. Since this continues from creation of the universe her power cannot be measure even by herself. Converting it into pure power will result in act of tearing heavens and if you commit to salvation it will turn into divine power causing miracles.
So those who worship her first questions her origins, goals and intentions. However, in order to hear her “voice” one must have certain amount of spiritual sensitivity. In other words, to be high-ranked Yazata, beings referred to as Shamans. And because of her own gender she’s the most compatible with women.
After 200 years of waiting, suitable vessel finally arrived and she became oracle of Shinken, Maiden of Sword. Purity of their blood will increase through Shinken’s will and their duties will be inherited from generation to generation.
Only those who can use Shinken can pull her out of the earth and after it’s done she will submit to that person and offer them all of her prayers.
First proof of distortion from the usual course of action was the appearance of Killer Demon, Munsarath. While described as small fry by Shinken, the fact he was able to invade Sanctuary proved he has qualities that cannot be overlooked. This’s when he decided to impose new vow on himself.

- then we have events unfolding from the perspective of Munsarath, about 100 years have passed since he formed contract with Shinken.
His Commandment, Ushtan Yasht’s vow gives him ability to see future in exchange of sight abandonment and memory oblivion so Shinken resets his memory every morning, but he doesn’t mind and experiences each day as a new being.
Munsarath task was to rampage on this star and get attention of the hero, to become great evil that brave needs to overcome.
On a day when Varhram defeated/killed Bushyasta, Shinken felt that and immediately realized he’s the one she was looking for. Munsarath kept swinging his saw and after 7 years, Hero finally arrived.
Varhram is accompanied by dozens of Yazata, including “scary woman” (Nahid).
Munsarath says that if Varhram wants to see Shinken he must defeat him first.
Varhram then says something that caused him shock equal to that of meeting Shinken – he outright guessed his Commandment can see the future. What really surprised Munsarath is his combat prowess, or rather, his intuition or spirit.
Munsarath is confident that he can keep up with anyone as long it’s 1vs1 due to his precognition. That because he can seal his opponent action from the “moment of occurrence” regardless of how powerful they are. Even if his opponent can use Garyoku to crush stars he can use it to distract opponent’s will and crush it in advance. While they’re limits in huge power difference between himself and his opponent he can still use it to avoid direct hits. And since he’s immortal as a
Killer Demon he has no fear of losing.
Varhram immediately understood that Munsarath’s Commandment doesn’t just see future, but it can actually attract and fix convenient future. This’s something that even Munsarath couldn’t comprehend about his own Commandment, yet Varhram realized this almost instantly. According to Varhram, depending on how you it’s possible to create situation where you want to lose.
And just like a child, he told Munsarath he wants it.
What Munsarath felt at that moment is awe and fear equal or even surpassing the time he met with Shinken. According to Munsarath “knowing” creates powerful diginity, that’s why he established Commandment that can see the future and formed contract with being possessing the most wisdom in the universe. Yet, completely incomprehensible being appeared before him. He can’t tell whether Varhram’s point of view is at the end of sky or bottom of the earth, whether it’s back or front, deep or shallow. However, only one thing is certain about Varhram – about overreaching confidence in “victory”. What is his foundation? Unknown. He’s too transparent to call him just a fool and can only be described as monster where only unknown identity stands out. In front of this unnamed monster Munsarath can only scream in his chest. Going as far as questioning God why would (s)he made him meet with someone like Varhram.
In barbaric rage and fear Munsarath swings his saw at Varhram in a very clumsy way, as if giving “victory” to him. Expecting to miss, much to his surprise he actually cuts Varhram in half, he couldn’t see this future and he realized he already admitted his defeat and his Commandment was deprived by Varhram. With his Garyoku diverted and gaps in his defense, Varhram slashes him with a laugh and only his upper body.

- Munsarath regains his consciousness, finding himself hanging by his legs, with Garyoku gone and would healing slowly.
Intrigued by his defeat Munsarath sets Varhram as his new master. He doesn’t consider it betrayal to Shinken because they’re both partners destined to be together so he can set two of them as his “only master”.
Varhram himself greed him as if not looking through Avesta. Also, he already knows Munsarath has 2nd Commandment.
Munsarath asks for an order and he instinctively knows Varhram wants to use Rebounding Gale of his Commandment for the sake of his “victory” and as such, he asks him to sleep forever.

- following that, Munsarath was sealed in a Sanctuary.
However, he can still use his Commandment to synchronize his point of view with his masters and uses it to observe destined meeting between Varhram and Ahura Mazda.
This’s scene with have seen few times already, but now in full detail.
Varhram and Ahura Mazda form a contract. They’re both extremely compatible, becoming invaluable existence for each other.
Varhram told her about his fight with Bushyasta. How she tried to break him with her nightmares, but she couldn’t do that and instead her own nightmares assaulted her, probably showing her unpleasant memory she had sealed inside her. He couldn’t tell what it was but he still can’t forget her expression and words “Dad, mom, I’m sorry. Wherever you are, please help me”. It was back then when Varhram realized she has Collapsed, against her own will which is unlike what is known in Vahman Yasht. Shinken says that despite endowing her users with miracles she cannot escape from spiral of defeat.
Here we learn why Shinken appeared before Varhram by possessing body Shaman, simply put, they fuck. Intending to “give birth” to their vow in firm form.
Varhram is silent but he doesn’t refuse her. That’s because his point of view was already a mass of mysteries and since he now has Munsarath’s Commandment it’s impossible to tell how far his insight reaches.
Munsarath can only think of 2 reasons of why they’re doing that. First is the creation of factor that contains karma of self-destruction so they intend to entrust future to their child. Second is to use that child as a driving force to let them ascend to the higher realms as a disposable bomb.
Could be both, could be neither and even if there are more reasons Munsarath doesn’t know about them at all.
From now on, all the “blood” that’s connected to Varhram and Shinken is considered to be kenzoku of the sword. Not only their child, but even Shamans and their servants.

- cut to Sirius and Varhram
The first one is angry at Varhram since he should know his life doesn’t exist just for his own sake anymore. Sirius is already aware that his best friend committed adultery with Shinken’s Shaman and thus, betrayed his sister.
Sirius wants to become Holy King to spare Nahid fate of carrying Commandment – to remember all living beings that Vohu Manah knows. Even if Varhram is convinced she would be able to do that, Sirius says the problem doesn’t lie there, but in the fact Varhram and Nahid’s relationship is already recognized by a public. If her love were to be broken it would result in drama where she would fill that suffering with responsibility of the King.
Sirius doesn’t want anyone to cry within his reach, or to be precise, he wants to kill illusion that crying is precious. According to Varhram though, Sirius is desperately looking for a pretext of failure.
Sirius departs to kill Shaman (Mama Quinn), but Varhram isn’t worried, because they both know he won’t kill her and in fact, married her.
Sirius is a tense man who is easily lost that’s why he tried to make Varhram his dream to fill that gap. In the end, he wonders what his true value is.

- truth about Shinken was revealed to public, giving rise to multiple rumors about child of Varhram and who is the mother.
But truth remained only among Sirius, Varhram, Shinken and Shamans.
Unexpectedly, Varhram decided raise that child on his own.
The child name is Magsarion, demon child of destiny who carries extraordinary karma from the beginning.

- cut to Day of Collapse and the end of Hero
Upon witnessing the horrible end of Varhram, Nahid lost her mind and instead, submerged herself into the world of illusions, singing the same song as Frederica in the previous chapter. This’s well known hymn of happiness in the Vahman Yasht. It’s been said that lyrics and melody created by her have mysterious power and in fact she ignited many spirits in the past. However, there’s no longer any blessing in her voice.
At the end of her sight is Magsarion himself, as if entrusting her hope to him. Sirius is less than positive, this child has no talent at all and there’s only grudge, hatred and killing intent dwelling in his heart. From the start, this boy was inhuman as being born from monsters can only be one himself.
As to prove that Sirius recalls his fight against previous 4th Demon Lord. This one was genuine monster without intellect and probably the most heinous one. Sirius discovered underground cave that was this monster’s den. It was full of bodies in pieces, tortured in the worst possible ways. In that cave they were violated by that monster for days, without being able to escape. So what they requested from Sirius was simple, only death could be their salvation. So he kept slash and slashing them, telling himself this’s his responsibility as the Holy King.
Ahura Mazda gives power to those who stood with her on the battlefield for a long time, weak Yazata become powerful enough to challenge special-class Daeva on their own, phenomenon of kenzoku conversion. The amount of people receiving this blessing was steadily increasing around Varhram. But even though Sirius was fascinated by Varhram more than anyone and spend time with him more than anyone, there was no blessing befalling upon him. That’s because Sirius resents Shinken. He hates her for seducing his best friend for some unknown reason, for giving birth to ominous child and for covering Vahman Yasht with shadow.
After killing unfortunate women in Maou’s den he was comforted by a hug of his sister, but at the same time, he felt scared for some reason. He doesn’t want to know what that means so he sealed Nahid in Frozen Seal. Now that Varhram is dead he’s afraid face her. That’s why being embraced by distorted world is more comfortable – it’s impure, ominous and hard to come by, but not scary. He vows to defeat Mad Mother and create new world.
For a moment, before he seals her sister she looks at him as if ridiculing and mocking.
Driven by indescribable fear he paints it as an illusion and leaves the room.
On the verge of tears he thinks about Mama Quinn, wishing to see her. 3 years later he learned about her death and 10 years later he learned that their daughter (Frederica) became Maou.


I will give my opinion later (or not) because I’m exhausted.

So magasarion and frederica are half-sinblings? And i guess Varharm losing was already something he knew it would happen since he got Munsarath power i wonder what was he was truly aiming for because i don't think it would be just the end of avesta
 

Boomy

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So before my opinion about this chapter I forgot to write in my summary that settings of the Thrones were posted in blog section. Most of them we already knew, but there are 2 updates that stand out:

3rd Throne changed from Ancient Mythology to Super Ancient Civilization, it's hard to tell at this point what exactly will be different, but for me it just further reinforces idea that Zoar will adapt Cthulhu Mythos, with many people suggesting it might be about Atlantis or R'lyeh. Masada is no stranger with Cthulhu Mythos, there was Fan Jinron from Bansenjin and ofc that obscure drama CD that probably no one cares about.

5th Throne changed from Magic Science to Bishoujo Robot Action, this one immediately started countless speculations. For one, Masada described it as his favorite Throne and he's a huge SRW fan to I wouldn't be surprised if it involved mechas. Second, Sahasrara was described as "machine" but until now we just thought it's metaphor for her not having ego, but she might actually be a robot. Who knows, maybe even Hajun is a bishoujo robot (on that Pantheon's poster he had additional robot-like arms too).
Overall, pretty hyped for this one. But if it will involve mechas then I would prefer something like Evangelion than say, Demonbane.



Okay, now let's get to the chapter.

We got some pretty sweet info on Nadare and Shinken, sorry, Ahura Mazda (btw. this really makes me wonder why Masada just didn't called Nadare Angra Mainyu, but reserved this name for Singularity). I guess this explains why there are inconsistency in Nadare's behavior, words and emotions - the woman who became Nadare is waging internal war with concept of Nadare...or not and being contradictory mess is Nadare's default expression.
Still, I wonder if we will learn about that woman original name? Can you imagine if it turned out to be Kouha? :lmao I mean, Nadare's "immutable" ability to observe situation in the universe and her words about "recording and preserving their remorse" (or something like that, don't quote me on that part) coincides with Kouha's ability to observe and recreate history of Throne. Nevermind Kouha is somehow related to Mitra, something she's very ashamed about - being her Sensory (toy) would be pretty shameful I imagine.
I really think Ahura Mazda's remorse about rejecting Khvarenah is genuine or rather I want to believe she's just not acting. I dunno, but she seems pretty disgusted with this world and Khvarenah would definitely contribute to creating true paradise.

That fragment describing Mitra's world as a shithole was pretty...meh? Imo what makes this world so fucking scary is that concepts of good and evil is a mere farce, it can change easily as you deciding what to eat on lunch. Pure carnage like this is more befitting Tengu Dou (in fact, KKK had a very similiar scene). Same deal with former 4th Maou - if Mitra is really the one choosing Maous then what the hell she was thinking to recruit this pleb? Not really hating it, I just think it's very artificial to way to show how Ahura Mazda sucks.

At least the entire process of Shinken choosing her user was pretty interesting. It's the 2nd time we had reference to Arthurian Legend in Avesta now that I think about it. There's also an ok explanation as to why Quinn couldn't hear word of "Shinken".
Also, even if she's using bodies of Shamans, I still have my doubts about Mama Quinn. From what I can read their purity should just increase with generation, so would it make sense for Mama Quinn to be "mediocre" compared to that Shaman whom Shinken possessed to fuck with Varhram? And if that art of Ahura Mazda is any indication then Shamans possessed by her should have heterochromia, meanwhile Mama Quinn had blue eyes. Last, but not least, I doubt Sirius would drill her if he knew Mama Quinn is Shinken's vessel. I'm probably reading too much into it but whatever.

As for Varhram...I'm really not sure what to think about him tbh. If he's really an actor then fuck me is he a good one.
He's described in almost Lovecraftian way, but somehow I don't think his heroic deeds are mere game. He seemed sad about Bushyasta's words and he's concerned about Sirius, but is it all genuine or mere acting? Munsarath was terrified as fuck, definitely more than during his meeting with Ahura Mazda and Varhram child-like behavior was pretty creepy, but it's not like he's committing some inhuman sins, he really appears to be perfect hero.
But yeah he's strong. His insight is really insane even without Munsarath's Commandment and I almost wonder if it's somehow related to Magsarion's own ability to see truth about his opponents.
And speaking about Munsarath's Commandment, I was speculating that it might evolve into future interference ability AFTER it was looted by Varhram, but it was like this from the start. Damn, Varhram might be literally destined to win. This sounds similiar to Ryusui's Distortion, but there are no timelines in Ahura Mazda which imo makes it even more terrifying, there's only one path to the future.
I'm not sure how is he going to use Rebounding Gale for his own purpose, if you think about it then backlash of that order should be pretty fucking huge, I mean, is "sleeping forever" that much different from death?

My man Sirius can't just get any rest. The way he's written as cosmic plaything really makes you think he would perfect as the protagonist of eroge. Somehow he became the voice of reason in Avesta...or rather the one with most common sense (which isn't really saying much).
To think someone who started with a wish to wipe away sacredness of tears would eventually (or rather, potentially) create world of muzanmuki. Varhram's death had to really hit him hard, or is it really just his death? I can't help but think Sirius had some sort of inferiority complex towards him.

Magsarion is the son of Varhram! The biggest shocker so far!....said no one ever. It was rather obvious ever since we learned about age gap between them and the fact there was no mention of Magsarion back on Bushyasta in the first interlude. But man, Magsarion's momma is literally a sword, Soujiro wishes he be so...edgy :catshades
But as per Shinza Bansho rules Varhram might really be a bad guy since father figures are always shit here.
On a more serious note, if this really makes Magsarion an Apoptosis (I'm not ready to label him as such just yet) then he shouldn't really be able of taking over Throne, just like Kemono-dono couldn't. Still, Kemono-dono couldn't do that because he was Apoptosis of Snake, Hadou God. This wouldn't really make Magsarion Apoptosis of Mitra, but Ahura Mazda/Varhram? So maybe he could take it after all.
Also, there's interesting ongoing speculation that sword Muzan is holding might be in fact Magsarion and not Shinken, which is pretty interesting idea. Also, if Sirius really fused with Magsarion to become Muzan then I doubt King-sama would agree to use Shinken.

And finally, Nahid...just like in the case of Varhram I don't have fucking idea what to think of her, probably even more so.
There's barely any scenes with her and when there are she's either behaving like a victim of autism or just extremely creepy.
But the fact she looked at Sirius with ridicule, as if enjoying his suffering...yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if she was really Aka Manah. But while she was my candidate for being one for a long time now, tbh I'm not a huge fan of that simply because there was just so little of her in the story. If that's really her true identity than Masada better prepare good explanation for us.
 
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trexalfa

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So before my opinion about this chapter I forgot to write in my summary that settings of the Thrones were posted in blog section. Most of them we already knew, but there are 2 updates that stand out:

3rd Throne changed from Ancient Mythology to Super Ancient Civilization, it's hard to tell at this point what exactly will be different, but for me it just further reinforces idea that Zoar will adapt Cthulhu Mythos, with many people suggesting it might be about Atlantis or R'lyeh. Masada is no stranger with Cthulhu Mythos, there was Fan Jinron from Bansenjin and ofc that obscure drama CD that probably no one cares about.

5th Throne changed from Magic Science to Bishoujo Robot Action, this one immediately started countless speculations. For one, Masada described it as his favorite Throne and he's a huge SRW fan to I wouldn't be surprised if it involved mechas. Second, Sahasrara was described as "machine" but until now we just thought it's metaphor for her not having ego, but she might actually be a robot. Who knows, maybe even Hajun is a bishoujo robot (on that Pantheon's poster he had additional robot-like arms too).
Overall, pretty hyped for this one. But if it will involve mechas then I would prefer something like Evangelion than say, Demonbane.
IMO none of these descriptions, if we are comparing those from KKK's VFB to those in Ahura Mazda's character file, are mutually exclusive, but I guess Masada went for that in order to sell variety to sponsors and the developers.

I'd be reaaal fine with it going for a full Cthulhu Mythos inspired world, and Masada could perhaps cannibalized stuff planned for Rainjou Shinden then (I mean, we know he does kind of cannibalize concepts from other ideas of his). I guess the robot action aspect really messes well with the already known Magitek aspect, and this is IMO a chance not to rehash Dies' cast AGAIN with the same sort of gimmicks in play. I'm really damn sure, this being Tasogare's world, the reincarnation will play a heavy role both in story and in character powersets, but mecha fighting would add some real needed variety.

We got some pretty sweet info on Nadare and Shinken, sorry, Ahura Mazda (btw. this really makes me wonder why Masada just didn't called Nadare Angra Mainyu, but reserved this name for Singularity). I guess this explains why there are inconsistency in Nadare's behavior, words and emotions - the woman who became Nadare is waging internal war with concept of Nadare...or not and being contradictory mess is Nadare's default expression.
Still, I wonder if we will learn about that woman original name? Can you imagine if it turned out to be Kouha? :lmao I mean, Nadare's "immutable" ability to observe situation in the universe and her words about "recording and preserving their remorse" (or something like that, don't quote me on that part) coincides with Kouha's ability to observe and recreate history of Throne. Nevermind Kouha is somehow related to Mitra, something she's very ashamed about - being her Sensory (toy) would be pretty shameful I imagine.
I really think Ahura Mazda's remorse about rejecting Khvarenah is genuine or rather I want to believe she's just not acting. I dunno, but she seems pretty disgusted with this world and Khvarenah would definitely contribute to creating true paradise.
What I'm puzzled about is that Masada used names meaning "Chariot of God" for Singularity: Vahana, Merkabah, etc... and Angra Mainyu, which breaks the pattern yet glossary says it still means the same. What does this even imply?

There's some theorizing about the woman who became the current Nadare, most nips think it's Madurai, but I think it's unlikely because she's confirmed dead by a glossary, and Ahura Mazda doesn't say Bushyasta is the daughter of "woman who became Nadare", but daughter of "Hero and his wife". But again, they are inside Singularity, and the woman speaks to Ahura Mazda as if she knew her. IMO the weight of her new name could be a way to tell us that, whoever she was, it doesn't even matter. Her role does. I don't think it's Kouha: "theater box" is implied to be outside of the universe, and Kouha does say that Magsarion was her "wake up call", sorta.

And yeah, I truly believe Shinken was consumed by remorse after defiling Khvarenah. But given she cast away her remorse as Quinn... who knows how Ahura Mazda might appear when we see her again? If I'm getting this right, Quinn is her sword form recreated as an automaton, and her "soul" is just her uncertainty, her shame. The true "sword spirit" (that's how Masada called her) must be elsewhere... and I do feel she's at least part of Aka Manah.

We should keep in mind the chronology of Aka Manah's birth too. It mostly fits in with Varhram fucking Shinken's miko.

At least the entire process of Shinken choosing her user was pretty interesting. It's the 2nd time we had reference to Arthurian Legend in Avesta now that I think about it. There's also an ok explanation as to why Quinn couldn't hear word of "Shinken".
Also, even if she's using bodies of Shamans, I still have my doubts about Mama Quinn. From what I can read their purity should just increase with generation, so would it make sense for Mama Quinn to be "mediocre" compared to that Shaman whom Shinken possessed to fuck with Varhram? And if that art of Ahura Mazda is any indication then Shamans possessed by her should have heterochromia, meanwhile Mama Quinn had blue eyes. Last, but not least, I doubt Sirius would drill her if he knew Mama Quinn is Shinken's vessel. I'm probably reading too much into it but whatever.
I loved seeing this refered to as a "game" and getting details on how Ahura Mazda and Nadare operate. It gave me insane Mass Effect and Enderal feels, which are two stories that heavily deal with cyclical histories carried out by the same agents. I wonder just how much power has Ahura Mazda accumulated across the eras... and I wonder if Nadare, as MINNA NO MAOU, gets anything across the ages too. These two, as agents of Shinga, are the two opposed MINNA figures: Hero and Shinken are just one pair, Everyone's Prayers is power granted by the sword, not something Hero naturally has, from what I am seeing.

Nah, IMO it's just that Frederica saw the possessed Quinn as Ahura Mazda, she saw her as the Divine Sword and not as the miko she's possessing. When seeing her with Sirius alone, not possessed and with blue eyes, she looks "mediocre" in comparison to Ahura Mazda alone. And because she's not being used as yorishiro, she lacks heterochromia too.

As for Varhram...I'm really not sure what to think about him tbh. If he's really an actor then fuck me is he a good one.
He's described in almost Lovecraftian way, but somehow I don't think his heroic deeds are mere game. He seemed sad about Bushyasta's words and he's concerned about Sirius, but is it all genuine or mere acting? Munsarath was terrified as fuck, definitely more than during his meeting with Ahura Mazda and Varhram child-like behavior was pretty creepy, but it's not like he's committing some inhuman sins, he really appears to be perfect hero.
But yeah he's strong. His insight is really insane even without Munsarath's Commandment and I almost wonder if it's somehow related to Magsarion's own ability to see truth about his opponents.
And speaking about Munsarath's Commandment, I was speculating that it might evolve into future interference ability AFTER it was looted by Varhram, but it was like this from the start. Damn, Varhram might be literally destined to win. This sounds similiar to Ryusui's Distortion, but there are no timelines in Ahura Mazda which imo makes it even more terrifying, there's only one path to the future.
I'm not sure how is he going to use Rebounding Gale for his own purpose, if you think about it then backlash of that order should be pretty fucking huge, I mean, is "sleeping forever" that much different from death?
I think the scene where he guesses the power of Ushtern Yast, which even Munsarat who established the Commandment, didn't know, is definately to show us Magsarion's trump card is somehow related to Varhram. However, alongside the reveal about Munsarat's loyalties, this establishes that glossaries can hold incomplete info regarding stuff too.

Rebounding Gale of making him sleep forever was already revealed back in Volume 1 in a glossary. It was birth of Frederica as a Maou. This is reaal intriguing. And people called Varhram clown who fucked things up for that, turns out it was part of his plan all along.

My man Sirius can't just get any rest. The way he's written as cosmic plaything really makes you think he would perfect as the protagonist of eroge. Somehow he became the voice of reason in Avesta...or rather the one with most common sense (which isn't really saying much).
To think someone who started with a wish to wipe away sacredness of tears would eventually (or rather, potentially) create world of muzanmuki. Varhram's death had to really hit him hard, or is it really just his death? I can't help but think Sirius had some sort of inferiority complex towards him.
Let's keep in mind too that Sirius is Masada's favourite Avesta character AND THE Spoiler character, bar none. Volume 4 will be Sirius' moment to truly shine, I'm sure. You called him being final boss back in Chapter 2 and honestly... there's still the possibility that he is.

IMO he's had his idealized version of Varhram shattered, blaming it all on Ahura Mazda thus, on the world and Mad Mother. His dream of giving his sister to his best friend in a wedding dress now takes on quite different connotations than it did before.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how Masada is going to link Sirius with KKK's Daten Naraku. Per Onogorojima, Daten Naraku's world was twisted by the Throne itself, due to his own misunderstanding of how it worked, giving rise to Paradise of the fallen instead of outright Eden. Let's see how that works here... Magsarion will surely be a heavy distortion factor.

Magsarion is the son of Varhram! The biggest shocker so far!....said no one ever. It was rather obvious ever since we learned about age gap between them and the fact there was no mention of Magsarion back on Bushyasta in the first interlude. But man, Magsarion's momma is literally a sword, Soujiro wishes he be so...edgy :catshades
But as per Shinza Bansho rules Varhram might really be a bad guy since father figures are always shit here.
On a more serious note, if this really makes Magsarion an Apoptosis (I'm not ready to label him as such just yet) then he shouldn't really be able of taking over Throne, just like Kemono-dono couldn't. Still, Kemono-dono couldn't do that because he was Apoptosis of Snake, Hadou God. This wouldn't really make Magsarion Apoptosis of Mitra, but Ahura Mazda/Varhram? So maybe he could take it after all.
Also, there's interesting ongoing speculation that sword Muzan is holding might be in fact Magsarion and not Shinken, which is pretty interesting idea. Also, if Sirius really fused with Magsarion to become Muzan then I doubt King-sama would agree to use Shinken.
Yeah, this is no fucking shocker. "Something unbefitting of you, Hero" back in Chapter 6 already sounded like shagging. And apparently this is the thing Varhram asked Nahid if she knew about in the other Interlude. The "immorality" Sirius talked about in Magsarion's birth was related to how this monsters was conceived by Varhram tossing his sister away like nobody's business.

Indeed, he's never been human, "son of two monsters is nothing but a monster". He's a sword, most likely... and that's what makes him have the capability to be immutable, just like his mom? BTW, this is the connection to current Godhead, mandatory for all Shinza protagonists. And I too have entertained that the sword he holds is his own manifestation as another Divine Sword... Maken (Demon Sword), just like Ferdows called him, in contrast to Varhram's Shinken?

Of the two options Munsarat possed, I don't know whether to believe both, or neither. Ahura Mazda said Varhram would have to pay the prince of holding a factor for self destruction himself. If Magsarion is the main product of the pact, it means he isn't the price Varhram would have to pay. It'd be another thing altogether. However, Munsarat did say, alongside the disposable bomb to reach new heights option, that they were trying to create element for the self destruction of the world.

And finally, Nahid...just like in the case of Varhram I don't have fucking idea what to think of her, probably even more so.
There's barely any scenes with her and when there are she's either behaving like a victim of autism or just extremely creepy.
But the fact she looked at Sirius with ridicule, as if enjoying his suffering...yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if she was really Aka Manah. But while she was my candidate for being one for a long time now, tbh I'm not a huge fan of that simply because there was just so little of her in the story. If that's really her true identity than Masada better prepare good explanation for us.
I think Nahid=Aka Manah is only part of it. Aka Manah won't be just Nahid, at least that's what I think. Muzan said he killed "his brother", and Munsarat told Quinn Ahura Mazda is still somewhere else, LAUGHING. That is, free of remorse, fully muzanmuki and ruling over (or maybe integrating since that's another way of reading it) a hundred visages. Ahura Mazda and Varhram still exist in some form, I'm sure, and perhaps they heavily factor into Aka Manah.

Possibly away of the simplistic "Aka Manah is Tentsui'd Varhram", which I don't like so much now. Just remember, something weird happened when Varhram died... that large scale Tentsui. The glossary after it portrayed it as huge mystery. Furthermore, it freed Magsarion and Sirius from perspective of Avesta, granting them knowledge of true meaning of "Everyone". Then, it comes Aka Manah, somewhere else, grasping "sword" swelling on prayers, thinking of Quinn and Magsarion. Let's remember that Quinn was born for the express purpose of "accompanying him in his meifumadou".

Aka Manah is BIGGEST mystery of Avesta, we had more info on Shinken than we had on it. Please Masada, make it worthwhile.
 
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Porshion

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Who knows, maybe even Hajun is a bishoujo robot (on that Pantheon's poster he had additional robot-like arms too).
Let's not go there:catshivers
this really makes me wonder why Masada just didn't called Nadare Angra Mainyu, but reserved this name for Singularity
This is just my fanon for now. We know that Ahura Mazda is an unchanging entity compared to Nadare who is basically just a name/position for someone to inherit over and over again. Angra Mainyu had been hinted to be something from before Ahura Mazda (the universe) or at least as old as it in volume 1, or maybe 2 i don't really remember the minute details. I guess you could say that, much like Ahura Mazda (the god's agent), Angra Mainyu too is a constant and unchanging entity, though it had several other names before it so ?????

This led me to believe that the thing might be far more important than what we think it is. I have a gut feeling that its existence will have something to do with Aka Manah, but i'm not even sure what it'll be.
 

Boomy

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There's some theorizing about the woman who became the current Nadare, most nips think it's Madurai, but I think it's unlikely because she's confirmed dead by a glossary, and Ahura Mazda doesn't say Bushyasta is the daughter of "woman who became Nadare", but daughter of "Hero and his wife". But again, they are inside Singularity, and the woman speaks to Ahura Mazda as if she knew her. IMO the weight of her new name could be a way to tell us that, whoever she was, it doesn't even matter. Her role does. I don't think it's Kouha: "theater box" is implied to be outside of the universe, and Kouha does say that Magsarion was her "wake up call", sorta.
I mean, Kouha just said Magsarion was the first "character" she was invested in, otherwise it felt as if she was watching a movie.

But now that I think about it Kouha was merely observing events without influencing them so Nadare can't be her.
And yeah, I truly believe Shinken was consumed by remorse after defiling Khvarenah. But given she cast away her remorse as Quinn... who knows how Ahura Mazda might appear when we see her again? If I'm getting this right, Quinn is her sword form recreated as an automaton, and her "soul" is just her uncertainty, her shame. The true "sword spirit" (that's how Masada called her) must be elsewhere... and I do feel she's at least part of Aka Manah.
Was she called "sword spirit"? I remember something along the lines "true body of Shinken".

But yeah, I also believe true Shinken is somehow related to Aka Manah.
btw. I'm really curious if Aka Manah has divinity. Because transcending "foundation of the world" heavily implies some kind of divinity and the fact it awaits for new Hadou means it probably isn't affected by Tentsui (so world of Ahura Mazda probably can't provide it with new role and new Hadou is required). Yet if it can get "new role" in new world (Hadou) then we could assume it somehow wouldn't contradict with its essence and only one Hadou can exist. Nevermind I couldn't overlook that its intentions were described as "colorless", this kinda implies it doesn't have craving and maybe that's why depends on third party Hadou.
Everyone's Prayers is power granted by the sword, not something Hero naturally has, from what I am seeing.
It has been said that Varhram didn't received "minna's power" for no reason, but because of his inherent qualities. Though I really wonder if he would still have that power without Shinken.
Nah, IMO it's just that Frederica saw the possessed Quinn as Ahura Mazda, she saw her as the Divine Sword and not as the miko she's possessing. When seeing her with Sirius alone, not possessed and with blue eyes, she looks "mediocre" in comparison to Ahura Mazda alone. And because she's not being used as yorishiro, she lacks heterochromia too.
Could be that. Like I said, maybe I'm looking too much into it.
I think the scene where he guesses the power of Ushtern Yast, which even Munsarat who established the Commandment, didn't know, is definately to show us Magsarion's trump card is somehow related to Varhram. However, alongside the reveal about Munsarat's loyalties, this establishes that glossaries can hold incomplete info regarding stuff too.
Still, it's weird how Munsarath wasn't aware of this power. He had to make contract with Mitra because there's no proof it's unconscious like Maurya Aeshma. I mean, there's no proof either that Mitra tells people what kind of ability they will receive, but if Ferdows in any indication they should know it instinctively.
Rebounding Gale of making him sleep forever was already revealed back in Volume 1 in a glossary. It was birth of Frederica as a Maou. This is reaal intriguing. And people called Varhram clown who fucked things up for that, turns out it was part of his plan all along.
Right, I actually forgot about that one.
Let's keep in mind too that Sirius is Masada's favourite Avesta character AND THE Spoiler character, bar none. Volume 4 will be Sirius' moment to truly shine, I'm sure. You called him being final boss back in Chapter 2 and honestly... there's still the possibility that he is.
Back then we barely knew anything though, I doubt he will be the final boss (currently, my bet is on Aka Manah) but there's no arguing he will be key character in this conflict.
IMO he's had his idealized version of Varhram shattered, blaming it all on Ahura Mazda thus, on the world and Mad Mother. His dream of giving his sister to his best friend in a wedding dress now takes on quite different connotations than it did before.
From his monologue in 1st volume we can assume he still knew being "ideal hero" like Varhram is not a way to end Avesta though. If anything, he was probably aware of Varhram's flaws more than anyone but was ashamed to admit it.
I'm really looking forward to seeing how Masada is going to link Sirius with KKK's Daten Naraku. Per Onogorojima, Daten Naraku's world was twisted by the Throne itself, due to his own misunderstanding of how it worked, giving rise to Paradise of the fallen instead of outright Eden. Let's see how that works here... Magsarion will surely be a heavy distortion factor.
Throne had nothing really to do with his Eden. The reason it became paradise for sinners is because Muzan decided to fight evil with force, this's something even KKK acknowledges:
男が求めた悪の一掃とは掛け離れてしまったが、戦って排除するという前提ゆえにこうなった。皆に牙を持たせれば、無謬の善性なんて生まれ得ない。

This hasn't really changed in Saoshyant Desatir either. Muzan himself admits that trying to fight against evil through evil will only make yourself evil (hence the entire idea of evil-eating paradise) that's why Satanel had to find different way to end his world.

Also, I find it curious how Magsarion in Avesta says that unlike Anija (and yeah, still gonna call Varhram that) he will never create situation where he will expect someone to do something, yet in Saoshyant Desatir he literally calls mobs in Paralost his "heirs" and expects someone to end his reign.
Of the two options Munsarat possed, I don't know whether to believe both, or neither. Ahura Mazda said Varhram would have to pay the prince of holding a factor for self destruction himself. If Magsarion is the main product of the pact, it means he isn't the price Varhram would have to pay. It'd be another thing altogether. However, Munsarat did say, alongside the disposable bomb to reach new heights option, that they were trying to create element for the self destruction of the world.
From parts we have seen so far there are more proves for that second theory. Shotasarion himself said that he always feared how he would be part of the "flow" if he embraced "minna". The fact Varhram always told him to smile and Magsarion refused everytime makes me believe that turning him into part of that "flow" would trigger something.

But ofc these two options are only from the viewpoint of Butler-kun, it might be something completely different.
Possibly away of the simplistic "Aka Manah is Tentsui'd Varhram", which I don't like so much now. Just remember, something weird happened when Varhram died... that large scale Tentsui. The glossary after it portrayed it as huge mystery. Furthermore, it freed Magsarion and Sirius from perspective of Avesta, granting them knowledge of true meaning of "Everyone". Then, it comes Aka Manah, somewhere else, grasping "sword" swelling on prayers, thinking of Quinn and Magsarion. Let's remember that Quinn was born for the express purpose of "accompanying him in his meifumadou".

Aka Manah is BIGGEST mystery of Avesta, we had more info on Shinken than we had on it. Please Masada, make it worthwhile.
Just like I said above, I wouldn't be surprised if Aka Manah was downright immune to Tentsui so I agree with that.
Also, Varhram probably already knew about "minna" after Bushyasta's death. Ahura Mazda herself said he probably realized it by then.

But yeah, I have a lot of expectations for Aka Manah's mystery...which probably isn't too good. Big hype can easily lead to big letdowns.
Let's not go there:catshivers
Only ladies can defeat Marie :maybe
This is just my fanon for now. We know that Ahura Mazda is an unchanging entity compared to Nadare who is basically just a name/position for someone to inherit over and over again. Angra Mainyu had been hinted to be something from before Ahura Mazda (the universe) or at least as old as it in volume 1, or maybe 2 i don't really remember the minute details. I guess you could say that, much like Ahura Mazda (the god's agent), Angra Mainyu too is a constant and unchanging entity, though it had several other names before it so ?????

This led me to believe that the thing might be far more important than what we think it is. I have a gut feeling that its existence will have something to do with Aka Manah, but i'm not even sure what it'll be.
I mean, Angra Mainyu is from Adityas. This's clear to me it predates Ahura Mazda's universe.

But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Angra Mainyu (the ship) was true "minna no maou" :lmao There's also the fact it's woven through law of Gathas that surpasses other Maou. And Nadare has literally authority of the god so it's not a pushover.
 

lokoxDZz

This is a goodbye, Smile.
Seems like this dude started translating avesta on wattpad? I just have no clue about the quality

 

Porshion

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No knock on the guy, but his translation reads a tad bit clunky. I'd simply assume one of these two things:
-Either English isn't his main language or hes just generally new to translating or a combination of the two
-He just slaps the text into a machine translator and edit it out

I'll give it a benefit of the doubt that it's a case of the former, because it doesn't really give me the impression that it's a MTL. Not heavily at least. Certainly not something i'd read since i can just read the novel myself, or something that i'd recommend to a friend either.
 

trexalfa

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Here's today's glossary:

  • Divine Sword Ahura Mazda:
The ultimate weapon of the faction of White, which has existed since the time of the universe's birth (Tenchi Kaibyaku). It's a sword that possesses a will of its own, and none but those accepted by "her" will be able to wield Ahura Mazda.

That is, if we are speaking of the current era, only someone of the capacity of the Hero, who is burdened with the Ashavan's racial like will/intent, will be able to seize the Divine Sword and draw out its power. Furthermore, Ahura Mazda possesses an Authority, which is detailed below.

Clairvoyance at the scale of the entire universe, as well as the special ability to establish telepathic contact with her brethren. To transform the vast prayers accumulated through the aforementioned ability into power for things such as attack, defense and restoration. To convert the people who've stuck around with the Hero for a long time into familiars (kenzoku) as her terminals.

In such condition, as it was mentioned above, Ahura Mazda has been gathering White prayers, equivalent to half of the universe, since the time of the universe's creation (Tenchi Kaibyaku). Thus, the aggregate amount of power stored inside of "her" is unfathomable. Nonetheless, since to what degree this power can be used is dependant on the rank of the Hero, her full power cannot be unconditionally displayed.

In the battle of 20 years ago, Ahura Mazda, absorbed by Khvarenah, was reincarnated into Quinn, however, because handling the Divine Sword as they please is impossible for Archdemons, what ought to be called "her" main/real body is thought to currently exist in some different place. However, Quinn's special ability of alignment/tuning, which she possesses by birth, as well as other abilities, are something she took over from Ahura Mazda.

  • Priestess of the Sword:
A vessel for the purpose of the communication of Ahura Mazda's spirit, as "her" yorishiro. They are generally women, as can be understood by them being "priestess", and the reason for that can't be anything but Ahura Mazda being a female-like existence herself. Because independent action is impossible for Ahura Mazda, who is nothing but a simple sword, "she" borrowed the bodies of "her" Priestess until the meeting with the Hero came about, using them to harden a foothold on "her" surroundings.

At the time of "her" meeting with Varhram, the Hero of the current age, the Priestess was Quinn, and she is, in a genetic sense, Magsarion's mother. Afterwards, Quinn became Sirius' wife, became pregnant with Frederica, and severed her own life. This is the truth behind the episode that took place in this work's Prologue.

  • Archdemon Apaosha:
The 4th Rank Archdemon in the time of Varhram and the others.

A wicked Star Spirit, his Star Body, as well as his Soul Body, were those of a jet black monster that bore a resemblance to a horse. He too was a kind of star devourer, however, as his own peculiar manner of invasion, he adopted the ethnic cleansing like method of raping the targeted heavenly body's Star Spirit, as well as the local women, making them all pregnant with his children, thus increasing the numbers of his own familiars enormously.

The name "Apaosha" holds the meaning of "drought", as he was an exceedingly atrocious Archdemon, who dried up the Ashavan's existence up to their dignity. Because he was an inborn, genuine beast who lacks all sorts of intelligence, possessing only swelling sexual desire and apetite for destruction, he earned the disgust and hatred of Kaikhosru, who holds the aesthetics of a ruler.
 

lokoxDZz

This is a goodbye, Smile.
A wicked Star Spirit, his Star Body, as well as his Soul Body, were those of a jet black monster that bore a resemblance to a horse. He too was a kind of star devourer, however, as his own peculiar manner of invasion, he adopted the ethnic cleansing like method of raping the targeted heavenly body's Star Spirit, as well as the local women, making them all pregnant with his children, thus increasing the numbers of his own familiars enormously.
Wtf,but not exactly something i would not expect of existing but for some reason i imagined a horse fucking a planet or something :lmao
 

Boomy

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It's like Masada saw that rape horse from Berserk and thought "Yeah. I can do that :bury"

Ahura Mazda's authority is very Hadou God-like, so much that I'm not sure how Muzan will benefit from using her. In fact, if those killed by Magsarion "become part of muzanmuki" this kinda implies he has prayer aggregation ability on his own (probably due to Shinken's lineage). Nevermind it reeks of "minna" Magsarion detests (like, turning others into his kenzoku? yeah, we so gonna see him doing that).

But if Ahura Mazda really leaves direction of her power to the user then maybe wielding her is what makes Magsarion a Hadou God (without it, he would be Madou God? if that will actually be a thing ofc)

Her main body, whatever it is, is probably with Aka Manah. At the end of 3rd volume Aka Manah took some kind of "sword" and I'm 99% positive it's not really a sword. For one, that word was quoted so it appears to be metaphor. Countless Yazata who followed Varhram were also said to be his "sword" and in the very first volume this has been said:
奇跡の神剣とは善なる祈りが招いた結果の“現象”で、単一の個人や武器を指すものに非ず。
Divine Sword of Miracles is a "phenomenon" as a result of good prayers, it doesn't refer to a single person or weapon.
I wouldn't be surprised if Aka Manah was some kind of collective being...how could it use Divine Sword is another matter. Still, Shinken's main body doesn't appear to be rather pleasant so who knows.
 

Porshion

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Pretty interesting chapter. I guess it's basically confirmed that Sirius is the old king dude back in KKK that was recorded by Samsara Vartin. The chapter also draws some parallel between Alma and Roxxane. Like how they're some zombie damsel in distress who got saved and reinvigorated back to life by their beloved strong man and vowing to throw away their life for him.

Dunno why but the more Magsarion got described, the more i think about Hajun.

Also is your avatar that Shiroyasha something girl from Mondaiji Boomy?
 

Boomy

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Summary of new chapter, I love only you, Part 1



Spoiler:
- we start with dream (flashback) of Alma, more specifically, her meeting Magsarion for the first time
Her childhood was basically normal and innocent. She was loved by her parents and didn’t encounter a single Dragvant so being ignored by Magsarion felt odd to her. If he simply rejected her with anger and hostility she would accept that, but Magsarion ignored her just like the rest of people. This’s when she decided to “bully” him, but it was done in a good faith, trying to teach him about importance of others. This continued after 2 years and then Alma decided to change her approach, seeing it’s pointless to socialize with him.
Even Varhram’s words assured her that adults don’t care about Magsarion and treat him simply as a child. That’s why Alma vowed she will make Magsarion look at her, regardless of his intention.
However, Day of Collapse happened and Alma was devastated after losing her family and friends. But only Magsarion kept swinging his sword, act she found ridiculous as it wouldn’t bring back their past. Seeing him training she thought he’s mediocre from the point of view of a honor student such as herself. But she couldn’t laugh at him, because his training was earnest. Sweat and blood were dripping from his entire body and skin on his hands peeled off due to his firm grip, yet he didn’t stop.
Alma realized she’s fascinated by him, yet instinctively knows she wouldn’t be happy with him and only tragedy awaits her.
Even so she’s consent with that. Even if he’s not looking at her, she will keep looking at him. This won’t change even if his destination is Meifu Madou. Because her life is something he lit she’s ready to die for him. Thus, she established her Commandment.

- Alma wakes up and gives us summary about recent events
It’s been 3 months since Vahman Yasht and Zahhak formed an alliance. After death of Khvarenah both planets were teleported once again by Nadare. That alliance is still valid and as a proof of that, Vahman Yasht and Zahhak fused into almost single celestial body (Zahhak surrounds Vahman Yasht).
New Continent created by that fusion still exists and it’s Alma’s job to govern it. Holding status of Dragon Princess and one of the Lords she’s symbol of that alliance.
There will be an official signing ceremony five days from now on between two kings. This will exceed even Verethragna’s festival and it’s Alma’s job to prepare it. Matter of place is already a big deal for her. While Kaikhosru and Sirius can use star spirit’s power to freely change terrain, city construction is different and Alma has to properly develop land which takes into account livelihoods of all people.
One day in her office she encounters Roshan.
New Continent’s name has been decided, it’s Arnavaz, Alma’s house name.
Alma asks Roshan about her Commandment, Taromaiti. Her vow is complete opposite to that of Alma’s Spandrmad, but in effect she can change between three attributes (of types of charm) – white (Ashavan), black (Dragvant) and gray (in-between). All of them have strong and weak points. For example, in white state she has outstanding Haoma’s blessing (healing/regeneration) while in black state her Garyoku will increase several times. Gray state she can use both but only on average level.
Also, it seems Samrukh really died…so again, that “vision” of Magsarion was weird.
Alma then asks how did Roshan met with Kaikhosru. She says he was the first and last man for her and that’s when she decided to establish her Commandment. Alma is curious because they both have similar backgrounds, dedicating their lives to a single man.
Roshan then proceeds to tell story of herself, Kaikhosru and Zahhak.
400 years ago Kaikhosru was Ashavan. In other words, he experienced Tentsui (this explains his point of view).
Back then Zahhak was known as Dragon Crystal Star and was a planet similar to Vahman Yasht, that is, it only allowed existence of Ashavan and no Dragvant could live there. But only 18 of Dragvant, including Roshan, were allowed to live there. Their identity are the current Dragon Princesses and their role was basically punching bags. Even if individually they were stronger than any Ashavan there, there was only 18 of them so they couldn’t resist and were ridiculed by many Ashavan.
Even if it’s a star dominated by “good” star spirit, disasters, accidents and diseases still occur and many people there die. However, that star spirit (called here Ryujin/Dragon God) was a perfectionist and in order to alleviate anxieties and suffering of Ashavan, he allowed few Dragvant to exist so they can be abused. In other words, Zahhak isn’t that that different whether it’s ruled by Ryujin or Kaikhosru.
For many years Roshan was abused, until she met him, Kaikhosru.
He threw huge fucking rock at her face (:skully), but it might be an act of mercy as other Ashavan were angry at him for trying to break their toy. Even so, Kaikhosru was coming back and causing her a lot of pain with intent to kill and in weird way, she was starting to look at him as if he was a savior.
One day, in the middle of night, he set her ablaze after she was crucified and was consumed by flames.
Amidst the flames and suffering Roshan wanted to thank him, but could only yell “why!” after she was him – at that time Kaikhosru has Collapsed. Ashavan of Dragon Crystal Star have to obey Commandment of Ryujin without exception. And that law was to receive happiness by abusing Dragvant such Roshan. Since Kaikhosru disobeyed that he deliberately broke “his” Commandment and received punishment of Tentsui.
In anger, Alma asks why is there no records of that in Vohu Manah and Roshan can only guess that’s because Ryujin is perfectionist and did everything to hide it.
Regardless, the end result is that Kaikhosru turned into powerful Daeva that shouldn’t even be born on this planet.
Alma asks Roshan how much does she know about Kaikhosru and she answers by saying as much as Alma knows about Magsarion. So pretty much nothing, they both chase men they know nothing about.
However, Roshan says will give her opinion about Kaikhosru in exchange of Alma giving her opinion about Magsarion.
They both wonder why Magsarion is so composed when he was vessel of unbridled anger and hatred before, despising companionship. He defeated 3 Maou in a row so it would be only logical to kill the rest as fast as possible, yet for the past 3 months he did nothing.
Alma concludes that Magsarion wasn’t ignoring “minna” as a child, it’s just he was staring only at Varhram so intensely that he couldn’t see anyone else. For reasons known only to him, he tried to understand everything about his “brother”. Since the Day of Collapse he vowed to never be hero in order to settle feud with Varhram that he could never understand to the end.
Alma then tries to recall Magsarion’s face, but realizes something sinister, but convinces herself it’s due to exhaustion.
Alma now demands part of Roshan’s deal, to tell her about Kaikhosru, but instead she tells Alma she can ask Kaikhosru directly and gives her invitation letter from him. In that letter, he tells Alma to bring Magsarion too.

- cut to Quinn who is learning in the largest library in Vahman Yasht’s capital
On her way out she met with Acchan, she’s alive.
Vahman Yasht is flourishing because they defeated 4 Maou, that’s why there’s increase in Yazata’s birth rate.
Ferdows also seems to be alive, but gives “bad feeling”.
Quinn is on her way to meet Sirius.

- Quinn has been researching Shinken in that library. However, because Khvarenah destroyed Vahman Yasht 20 years ago, Yazata newcomers didn’t know much about Shinken and she realized these books won’t tell her much. Still, if this information is intentionally hidden there should be contradictions and with Quinn’s ability to read hearts of the authors she can feel hesitation in the content of the books.
In these records, Varhram’s first feat was the age of 15 (that one we know is bs). From then, until age of his death (27) he defeated 36 first-class Daeva, 5 special-class Daeva and 3 Demon Lords. Probably even that number is understatement.
Desire to preserve Varhram’s greatness and desire to bury Shinken in the darkness were intertwined in these books, distorting history. This conflict might be true intention of Sirius.
Distortion of the records started when Varhram defeated Munsarath and made love with Shinken. This event clouded Sirius’ judgment and pulled him on the path of muzanmuki.
Quinn was invited by Sirius to his own private room that only his most trusted companions were allowed. Quinn looked at Ashavan’s population who were brimming with hope, but they appeared strange to her and Sirius who walked in called them “ugly”. He says it isn’t surprising if someone like him is at the top, the bottom will rot. All of them will eventually seek peerless “good”, that’s wish of Sirius and so it’s law for them. All for the sake of resurrecting “everyone’s hero”.
According to Sirius, his use of “good” is obsolete. It cannot be used to save and win, it’s an empty concept. Then remedy is simple, become evil that eats evil. Dye all things in creation with Muzan’s Hadou. Only by laying down rotten and fallen abyss one can produce correct white glow. So long it’s done Sirius is satisfied with disappearing, because he’s merely shadow of Varhram.
Quinn understands that Sirius doesn’t fully appreciate his values and hates himself in such a way it cannot be described merely through self-punishment and self-deprecation.
Sirius firmly believes he can throw away feeling of his shame with just one move. At the time he coined such idea there was huge shortage of “actors”. But sham like him can walk on the path of shams. It’s a duty of a servant who is crushed by genuine thing. This’s something Varhram cannot do, but only true trash like Sirius. He’s the incarnation of evil, all filth of this world. Ultimately, he will become stepping stone for a “righteous” hero and when he’s killed, he hopes to disappear will all evil.
He says Kaikhosru ridiculed him and tries reveal true identity of something he couldn’t give up, but Quinn tells him to shut up. She tells him he’s crybaby and if he wants to wipe away “sacredness” of tears he should try to stop them from spilling in the first place.
Sirius finally realizes Quinn is with him (topkek) and seeing her only as Shinken he pulls out his sword.
Vohu Manah’s wing materialize and Quinn confirms what we have already guessed, Sirius is already completely united with Vohu Manah. Sirius took over a seat of star spirit.
Vowing to end “curse” that played with his wife destiny, Sirius prepares to fight her.

Dunno why but the more Magsarion got described, the more i think about Hajun.
Really? Because imo the last few chapters made them like complete opposites.
Also is your avatar that Shiroyasha something girl from Mondaiji Boomy?
Yep.
 

Boomy

Well-Known Member
I guess.
But still, wonder why Muzan in Pantheon is so Magsarion-like.
At first I thought it might be due to Magsarion's 3rd Commandment. If he can see truth/essence about his opponent than its vow would probably be smth like "never disclose truth about myself". Hiding his face is probably part of that (which btw. this chapter kinda suggests that Alma doesn't remember his face, dunno if I mentioned this in summary) and this's why Frederica could damage him, as she was close to discovering truth about him - break his Commandment.
This could also explain why he wasn't registered in the Throne's history.

But if hiding his identity is merely a vow and not effect/ability then he shouldn't have ability to hide his identity in the first place. That's why I ultimately I don't think that's a case.

Anyway, Sirius' craving gives me huge Kai's vibes.
 

lokoxDZz

This is a goodbye, Smile.
i'm actually inclined to believe Magsarion might really achieve this "madou god" and something happens aftert it
 
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