Madara vs Obito

Aegon Targaryen

The ''King'' of Inventors
Battlefield: Obito vs Alliance.
Distance: 100 m.
Mindset: IC.
Restrictions: None.

Knowledge: Manga.

Reanimated Madara has defeated Hashirama and stolen his full power Sage Mode. He has all his other amps and powers but no Limbo.

Madara knows Sage Jutsu will harm Obito. Obito is in his second Ten-Tails Jinchuriki form. Who wins?
 
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michox12

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-Madara will not cause Obito to have the internal problems that made him lose his effectiveness in combat

-Obito has considerably higher raw power

-Hashirama's SM should not be compared to the characteristics granted by the transformation of the 6 paths

-Even in the handling of the mokuton, Obito has an advantage thanks to the great mastery he has of the roots of the shinju, which put the entire alliance in check.

Obito should win.
 

Aegon Targaryen

The ''King'' of Inventors
-Madara will not cause Obito to have the internal problems that made him lose his effectiveness in combat

-Obito has considerably higher raw power

-Hashirama's SM should not be compared to the characteristics granted by the transformation of the 6 paths

-Even in the handling of the mokuton, Obito has an advantage thanks to the great mastery he has of the roots of the shinju, which put the entire alliance in check.

Obito should win.

Would not an SM-amped Perfect Susano'o be a huge problem even for one such as Obito?
 

michox12

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Would not an SM-amped Perfect Susano'o be a huge problem even for one such as Obito?
It would be, perhaps, if Obito were exclusively engaged in defense. But if Obito attacks with his entire arsenal mercilessly (unlike his fight against Sasuke and Naruto), nothing that Madara has in his arsenal should be able to defeat him. Obito's destructive power is overwhelmingly superior, as are his physical characteristics.
 

Aegon Targaryen

The ''King'' of Inventors
It would be, perhaps, if Obito were exclusively engaged in defense. But if Obito attacks with his entire arsenal mercilessly (unlike his fight against Sasuke and Naruto), nothing that Madara has in his arsenal should be able to defeat him. Obito's destructive power is overwhelmingly superior, as are his physical characteristics.

Idk lol. Naruto and Sasuke survived hits from TT Obito as well as reacted to him and penetrated his defenses - and none of them have something as potent as a Sage Mode-amped Perfect Susano'o. I think Madara has a shot at least.
 

michox12

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Idk lol. Naruto and Sasuke survived hits from TT Obito as well as reacted to him and penetrated his defenses - and none of them have something as potent as a Sage Mode-amped Perfect Susano'o. I think Madara has a shot at least.
Maybe Madara will have a chance, but it is important to remember that the main reason for Obito's defeat was that he was not giving his all against Naruto and Sasuke (a fact that Kakashi even noticed from boxland).

It is also important to clarify that in the fight against Naruto and Sasuke, Obito used almost nothing of his offensive arsenal, and limited himself to defending himself and using gudoudama (a situation that is connected to the previous point).
 

Aegon Targaryen

The ''King'' of Inventors
Maybe Madara will have a chance, but it is important to remember that the main reason for Obito's defeat was that he was not giving his all against Naruto and Sasuke (a fact that Kakashi even noticed from boxland)
I agree Obito was overall stronger than Naruto and Sasuke and was holding back subconsciously but I don't think the gap was that big.
It is also important to clarify that in the fight against Naruto and Sasuke, Obito used almost nothing of his offensive arsenal
Obito used his strongest Truth Seeker weapons against them both, dawg.
and limited himself to defending himself and using gudoudama (a situation that is connected to the previous point)
See my previous point.

Obito went on the offense against Naruto and Sasuke multiple times.
 

michox12

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Obito used his strongest Truth Seeker weapons against them both, dawg.
Yes, but at this point the gudoudama had lost some relevance due to the discovery of its weakness.

On the other hand, Obito had access to multiple jubidamas, which honestly, at this point, represented a much greater danger.

It should also be clarified that Obito was concentrating, at the same time, on using shinju to decimate the entire alliance. Against Madara, Obito would use his entire overwhelming arsenal without having to divide it.
 

Aegon Targaryen

The ''King'' of Inventors
Yes, but at this point the gudoudama had lost some relevance due to the discovery of its weakness.

On the other hand, Obito had access to multiple jubidamas, which honestly, at this point, represented a much greater danger.

It should also be clarified that Obito was concentrating, at the same time, on using shinju to decimate the entire alliance. Against Madara, Obito would use his entire overwhelming arsenal without having to divide it.

1. Some, but not even close to most. They were still Obito's bread and butter - Madara's too, in fact.

2. Not really lol. Obito's TBBs are less powerful than his Truth Seekers IIRC.

3. Hmm. This is a good point.
 

michox12

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Not really lol. Obito's TBBs are less powerful than his Truth Seekers IIRC.
It depends on how the power is interpreted. It is clear that gudoudama is a much more versatile technique with more advantages (especially when there is no natural energy involved), but the destructive power of, for example, 4 joint jubidamas, is considerably higher.
Some, but not even close to most. They were still Obito's bread and butter - Madara's too, in fact.
Gudoudama was still important, but not as important as they had before their weakness was discovered. They went from being "unbeatable" to being very powerful, but passable.
 

ThirdRidoku

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As arrogant as Madara is he typically does not underestimate opponents he has full intel on nor say he can beat them without a plan. If you are stronger he typically says it, like with hashirama. He had full intel on Juubito so I don't see why his confidence in beating him should be neglected.

He has the experience advantage, and characters like Tobirama were capable of tagging Juubito, like it or not.

And he has preta path/CST/PS as possible options to deal with juubidama
Not to mention I see no reason he isn't on the same level as BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke with his own SM and fully mastered EMS/PS combo.
and most importantly he can harm juubito if the like of a senpou rasengan from Sage Naruto could do it.


So definitely discussion to be had here.
 

sabre320

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........Limbo does not need to be restricted here at all......you can add sm hashirama here and its still a stomp.

Obito is far faster, far stronger, far more durable and ontop has far greater endurance Obito is a legit god tier while madara was the gateway to achieving they are a tier apart.

Obito can rip him and his defenses apart with the barrier crushing chakra arms, can sick the shinjuu on madara to end the match ps be damned[the main body was so fast not even bm minato could tp before it sucked up both bm avatars] , he can nuke him with the quad bijudama which he is never tanking or evading or he just traps him in a barrier and leaves him to die in it.
 

michox12

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Hi, ThirdRidoku.

Some discussion could definitely be raised, however:

-Madara's plans, although they are not incoherent, have seldom gone exactly as he wanted (as he himself has stated). Even his plan to remove Hashirama's SM within the time limit failed, a notion with which you yourself agree; It is to be expected that, if the plan against Hashirama did not work, a hypothetical confrontation against Obito will not turn out well either.

-Experience and knowledge are certainly an advantage, however, Obito would also know what to deal with, under the understanding that he also knows Madara's powers

-Tobirama was able to tag Obito, but Hiraishin is faster than any form of attack from Madara, even having SM. Also, Tobirama put his mark on Obito unconscious, and did it in a suicidal way

-Preta, although not for sure, could be an option against the jūbidamas, however this could create an opening that Obito could take advantage of.
 
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Aegon Targaryen

The ''King'' of Inventors
Obito is far faster
He isn't. Madara has the same eyes as Sasuke who already reacted to TT Obito and has Hashirama's Sage Mode on top of that.
far stronger
Debatable. Madara has Perfect Susano'o augmented by Hashirama's Sage Mode.
far more durable
Also debatable. We already saw 9 BSM Rasengan crush Obito's strongest shield. Any Sage Jutsu ganks Obito btw.

Why would a SPS Sword be any less effective?
and ontop has far greater endurance
Debatable. Madara has access to Hashirama's innate healing powers too.
Obito can rip him and his defenses apart with the barrier crushing chakra arms
Which barely destroyed Sasuke's effectively Perfect Susano'o. Madara's has Sage Mode on top.
can sick the shinjuu on madara to end the match ps be damned
This might work.
he can nuke him with the quad bijudama which he is never tanking or evading or he just traps him in a barrier and leaves him to die in it.
Tanks pretty easily.
 
Battlefield: Obito vs Alliance.
Distance: 100 m.
Mindset: IC.
Restrictions: None.

Knowledge: Manga.

Reanimated Madara has defeated Hashirama and stolen his full power Sage Mode. He has all his other amps and powers but no Limbo.

Madara knows Sage Jutsu will harm Obito. Obito is in his second Ten-Tails Jinchuriki form. Who wins?
Dude, why can't I tag you? Your name just disappears everytime I try.
 

Aegon Targaryen

The ''King'' of Inventors
Y'all sleeping on the power of a Sage Mode amped PS. It's as if something very similar didn't kick Obito's ass lol.
 

ThirdRidoku

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Hi, ThirdRidoku.

Some discussion could definitely be raised, however:

-Madara's plans, although they are not incoherent, have seldom gone exactly as he wanted (as he himself has stated). Even his plan to remove Hashirama's SM within the time limit failed, a notion with which you yourself agree; It is to be expected that, if the plan against Hashirama did not work, a hypothetical confrontation against Obito will not turn out well either.

-Experience and knowledge are certainly an advantage, however, Obito would also know what to deal with, under the understanding that he also knows Madara's powers

-Tobirama was able to tag Obito, but Hiraishin is faster than any form of attack from Madara, even having SM. Also, Tobirama put his mark on Obito unconscious, and did it in a suicidal way

-Preta, although not for sure, could be an option against the jūbidamas, however this could create an opening that Obito could take advantage of.
No, Madara only failed at defeating Hashirama solo. he still had Yamatobi and BZ as backup options to expedite the defeat of Hashirama. He was going all out on Hashi with what he had, but there was still time left, and he has pride, he wanted to defeat Hashi 1v1 here imo if he could.
We don't know when Yamatobi would have arrived precisely but he arrived sometime after Madara was revived and BZ is not useful enough solo, but all three of them together could potentially take out hashi, considering Hashirama wasn't much stronger than Madara if at all. They were nearly evenly matched.
BZ was best used hidden as reconnaissance on the other battlfield as he admitted Kakashi and Minato for example would easily take him out if appeared on the battlfield.


You do realize that tobirama tagged Juubito knowing he was a regenerating Edo? This is used to downplay Tobirama's feat all the time, but you do realize

Reacting to someone and tagging them without getting hit back (Madara vs SM Minato)> Tobirama reacting to and tagging Juubito but getting tagged in the process>>>> then getting blitzed without tagging someone at all right (RSM Naruto shunshin against Kaguya, cutting her arm off).

Tobirama getting tagged doesn't downplay his feat in the slightest lmao. Everyone uses this as some kind of antifeat when in reality it's a feat, and Juubito being mindless has nothing to do with his speed. His speed was reacted to and he couldn't slow down until after hittin Tobirama anyway, as he only stops his movement well after he blitzed past the Hashi wood clone and Tobirama.

Tobirama reacting to juubi Jins at all period without FTG means SM Madara's combat speed is more than enough, as SM Edo Madara scales to Edo Madara in combat speed overall since we know Madara was superior to him in life, even if mainly from having Susano'o.
Madara's reflexes scale above Tobirama's so he is still on that level.


Madara absorbing the juubidama just means he gets that much stronger from it. There isn't any opening to exploit.
We saw Madara absorbing Gokage combo while in mid air for instance, and then he still used Shinra Tensei to blow off the sand and flash activated V4 Susano'o to deal with Gaara's sand before Gokage could do anything else. and SM Madara scales above this
 

michox12

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No, Madara only failed at defeating Hashirama solo. he still had Yamatobi and BZ as backup options to expedite the defeat of Hashirama. He was going all out on Hashi with what he had, but there was still time left, and he has pride, he wanted to defeat Hashi 1v1 here imo if he could.
We don't know when Yamatobi would have arrived precisely but he arrived sometime after Madara was revived and BZ is not useful enough solo, but all three of them together could potentially take out hashi, considering Hashirama wasn't much stronger than Madara if at all. They were nearly evenly matched.
BZ was best used hidden as reconnaissance on the other battlfield as he admitted Kakashi and Minato for example would easily take him out if appeared on the battlfield.


You do realize that tobirama tagged Juubito knowing he was a regenerating Edo? This is used to downplay Tobirama's feat all the time, but you do realize

Reacting to someone and tagging them without getting hit back (Madara vs SM Minato)> Tobirama reacting to and tagging Juubito but getting tagged in the process>>>> then getting blitzed without tagging someone at all right (RSM Naruto shunshin against Kaguya, cutting her arm off).

Tobirama getting tagged doesn't downplay his feat in the slightest lmao. Everyone uses this as some kind of antifeat when in reality it's a feat, and Juubito being mindless has nothing to do with his speed. His speed was reacted to and he couldn't slow down until after hittin Tobirama anyway, as he only stops his movement well after he blitzed past the Hashi wood clone and Tobirama.

Tobirama reacting to juubi Jins at all period without FTG means SM Madara's combat speed is more than enough, as SM Edo Madara scales to Edo Madara in combat speed overall since we know Madara was superior to him in life, even if mainly from having Susano'o.
Madara's reflexes scale above Tobirama's so he is still on that level.


Madara absorbing the juubidama just means he gets that much stronger from it. There isn't any opening to exploit.
We saw Madara absorbing Gokage combo while in mid air for instance, and then he still used Shinra Tensei to blow off the sand and flash activated V4 Susano'o to deal with Gaara's sand before Gokage could do anything else. and SM Madara scales above this
-Even so he failed to defeat Hashirama alone. It doesn't matter if his main motivation was pride, the point is that he couldn't manage to snatch Hashirama's SM despite initially having some confidence in doing so. This failure could be extrapolated to a hypothetical fight against Obito.

-I have not underestimated Tobirama, nor do I intend to do so at any time. My words do not refer to an incompetence on the part of Tobirama, but rather on the part of Obito, who acted instinctively and without any intelligence. If I mention the fact that it was suicidal (taking advantage of its edo attributes), it is simply because otherwise it would not have been so easy to label it (without denying the probability that it can do so).

On the other hand, there is a certain difference between Obito without control and Obito completely controlled, even this is reflected in his physique and in the appearance of more gudoudamas. Obito's stats likely had some increase after he fully controlled the power of 10 tails.

Also, Obito's lack of sense may not limit his speed, but it does limit his intelligence. Intelligence that would let him know that Tobirama, a user known for marking his enemies, could use the occasion to do so.

-Madara's opening by absorbing such a preta attack could be created, under the understanding that it is an enormous power, and its absorption should not be too immediate. This would give Obito a chance to attack him in some other way while Madara absorbs the attack.

-Madara clearly has excellent reflexes and very good attack speed, but in neither of these 2 aspects should he surpass Obito, who has a transformation that gives him superior attributes in these aspects.
 
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