Klub Outside - Kubo Answers Translations

Keishin

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Kubo will obviously take advantage of the anime in some ways, we'll just have to wait and see what he wants to do. Kubo will still be working on projects as always. He spent the beginning of this year drawing like hundreds of characters for the exhibition. Depending on how much they want him to work on the anime he'll put out something new soon.
 

Breadman

#1 Kale Fan
It actually would make sense to have a new manga arc running at the same time as the anime.
The anime will bring tons of new fans and attention, that alone will boost manga sales.

IF Kubo starts working on the Hell Arc after the anime's ending, that means there's going to be another looong break between TYBW's adaptation and Hell arc's adaptation.

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, could give us some time to have a CFYW adaptation in between.
 

Colmillo

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The Tybw adaption will be canon, as kubo said he’s adding some stuff. But if there are things altered or changed that contradicts the manga, then no- that part is not canon.
 

T2K Baka

Well-Known Member
The Tybw adaption will be canon, as kubo said he’s adding some stuff. But if there are things altered or changed that contradicts the manga, then no- that part is not canon.
Except that would be canon no? Or is that just anime canon? The anime is supposed to change things and add things according to how it was supposed to be in the manga, but due to certain factors it never made it there. That take precedence over what the manga has imo. I don't think we're gonna see anything that should contradict the manga, but you never know sometimes.
 

Colmillo

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contradict the manga
That’s what I mean. If there are things that contradict the manga, then that shouldn’t be taken as canon. Added stuff is fine, as long as it doesn’t contradict anything. Pretty sure since kubo is actually working with the team on this one, there won’t be contradictions.
 

Captain Quincy

Haschbrowns
If there’s contradictions with the manga that wouldn’t make it non canon since Kubo’s still the one making it. It would just be it’s own continuity like Dragon Ball Super manga and anime are.
 

Helkor

Active Member
That’s what I mean. If there are things that contradict the manga, then that shouldn’t be taken as canon. Added stuff is fine, as long as it doesn’t contradict anything. Pretty sure since kubo is actually working with the team on this one, there won’t be contradictions.
Sometimes just because it has contradictions don't mean it will not be canon, there are other words for that like Retcon for example.
If there’s contradictions with the manga that wouldn’t make it non canon since Kubo’s still the one making it. It would just be it’s own continuity like Dragon Ball Super manga and anime are.
Yeap, that would be a retcon and we had at least a couple of those in Bleach already.
 

Mar55

The Darkness Rises
I am still sad that we didn't had more woman in the Espada, at least 3(5 would be great).
Agreed, Bleach could've done with more powerful and interesting women in general. We've got a good few by EOS, but they're all pretty underwhelming writing wise.

Some more prominent female Shinigami (VC or Captain, even seated officer) and Arrancar would be dope to see down the line. Maybe in the Hell Arc, Kubo willing.
 
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T2K Baka

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That’s what I mean. If there are things that contradict the manga, then that shouldn’t be taken as canon. Added stuff is fine, as long as it doesn’t contradict anything. Pretty sure since kubo is actually working with the team on this one, there won’t be contradictions.

If it's a contradiction then, the anime should be taken over the manga, since Kubo is fully involved with everything and had more to add and things to change. That would just be a retcon then
 

Colmillo

Well-Known Member
If it's a contradiction then, the anime should be taken over the manga, since Kubo is fully involved with everything and had more to add and things to change. That would just be a retcon then
I agree. Kubo has more involvement in the Tybw Adaptation so it makes sense
 

T2K Baka

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Nah, unless there is specific statements about the added scenes to be canon, same as with the movies.
How does that make any sense if Kubo has full control and is adding and changing things in the story? It would just be a retcon and that would take precedence over the manga since it has all the things he had to cut out.
 

lol 4th dimension reiatsu

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How does that make any sense if Kubo has full control and is adding and changing things in the story? It would just be a retcon and that would take precedence over the manga since it has all the things he had to cut out.

Not how it works, anime involves the work of dozens of animators, scriptwriters, directors and etc. so the supervision of the original author doesn't automatically make everything canon.

See DBS anime illogical, often contradictory and senseless fights.
 

MShadows

Deathbat
Moderator
Kubo literally said he personally pitched a bunch of ideas and new fight scenes to the studio and that they will faithfully implement them.
 

MShadows

Deathbat
Moderator
Sure, that's what supervising anime means.

Super works like that too, now there's 3 different canon timelines.
Wrong.

Toriyama writes a vague outline with just some main plot points and then throws it to Toyble and Toei, who are free to fill in all those massive gaps however they wish. The only things that were fully written by Toriyama are the movie scripts, and even those are not 100% on him.

Kubo is actively involved with the studio, the director consulting with him about scene direction and whatnot. Kubo is the one giving pointers and supervising everything, which means that if something new or different makes it on screen, it comes directly from Kubo.
 

lol 4th dimension reiatsu

Well-Known Member
Wrong.

Toriyama writes a vague outline with just some main plot points and then throws it to Toyble and Toei, who are free to fill in all those massive gaps however they wish. The only things that were fully written by Toriyama are the movie scripts, and even those are not 100% on him.

Kubo is actively involved with the studio, the director consulting with him about scene direction and whatnot. Kubo is the one giving pointers and supervising everything, which means that if something new or different makes it on screen, it comes directly from Kubo.

What you describe is what supervise means, Toriyama OK's everything Toyotaro does, page by page, with corrections and redraws, yet the movies disregard that, and I could mention other examples in that or other franchises.

We can't assume that every scene that contradicts the manga is meant to be a canon retcon.
 

Space30

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Manga always has highest priority not matter what the anime does… manga is the work that Kubo alone did and it is finished And complete
 

MShadows

Deathbat
Moderator
Manga always has highest priority not matter what the anime does… manga is the work that Kubo alone did and it is finished And complete
That would be the case when you have the anime studio itself taking liberties with the source material.

But here we have Kubo who is actively working with the studio to expand the source material with new content that didn’t make it in the original manga.
 

Keishin

Well-Known Member
Not how it works, anime involves the work of dozens of animators, scriptwriters, directors and etc. so the supervision of the original author doesn't automatically make everything canon.

See DBS anime illogical, often contradictory and senseless fights.
Kubo isn't just a supervisor. He said he feels like he's taking the job of other people when he works on the project and he said that normally he wouldn't stick his nose into adaptations but this time he feels like his input has to be part of the creative process.
 

harurisu

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Manga always has highest priority not matter what the anime does… manga is the work that Kubo alone did and it is finished And complete

Do you guys consider the novels to be cannon ? We got Shuhei's and Shinji's bankai in them and a bunch of extra info that weren't in the "finished and complete" manga.
 

Helkor

Active Member
Do you guys consider the novels to be cannon ? We got Shuhei's and Shinji's bankai in them and a bunch of extra info that weren't in the "finished and complete" manga.
It's a weird thing to ask if someone consider the novel cannon or not... Since it's not up to the reader to decide that, but who owns the IP.
 

Sablés

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Whatever visions Kubo has for the anime won't change what was actually in the primary source material. There is no objective 'standard' or definitive version here. You have two separate and reliable canon. If they contradict each other, then treat them separately. The manga will not be overwritten, just as it will not be held over the anime.
 

Helkor

Active Member
Whatever visions Kubo has for the anime won't change what was actually in the primary source material. There is no objective 'standard' or definitive version here. You have two separate and reliable canon. If they contradict each other, then treat them separately. The manga will not be overwritten, just as it will not be held over the anime.
Retcon is a thing.
 

Gogeta

Shape shifter
Whatever visions Kubo has for the anime won't change what was actually in the primary source material. There is no objective 'standard' or definitive version here. You have two separate and reliable canon. If they contradict each other, then treat them separately. The manga will not be overwritten, just as it will not be held over the anime.
While i do agree and the fandom usually just recognizes and discerns the 2 different continuities

I'd say context matters

As it was clear to EVERYONE the manga was ended prematurely
IIRC it was due to Kubo having massive health/back issues

Note that i don't believe most of the last arc is going to be changed
But it's clear several fights at the end were cut short. It might not be 15 additional episodes of content, but i'm sure Kubo would rather do them justice this time around.


Or maybe, thats just my blind hope.
 

Breadman

#1 Kale Fan
I can't believe people are seriously comparing this to how DBS was being produced...

The DBS anime was being pushed out on a weekly basis by different writers each episode and was being made faster than the manga itself. Toriyama was only giving the bare minimum input on character designs and such, but wasn't fully involved with it. Hell, even the manga itself was a joint effort by Toyo and Toriyama, and because of how the anime came out before a lot of the manga did, a lot of it is abridged (just look at how quickly the ToP went by in the manga).

The Bleach anime has been in a multi-year pre-production with Kubo supervising it the whole way from start to finish, and has the manga to use as a solid, strong skeleton for how the story will be structured. That way new content can be added that is derived from what was in the manga, to how Kubo is envisioning it.
 
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