[IT'S OFFICIAL] Kishimoto Hates Orochimaru.

CoolMastr

CoolMastr

Don't fear the snake :P
Just read the chapter and boy am I disappointed if not outright disgusted. Orochimaru is apparently not liked in Japan and by at least half on these forums--fine.OK. He is a villain. That shows the greatness of his character. He is a sadistic, megalomaniacal man that garners much hate and detest by most (sans his fans of course :zaru) which means his role as a villain is being fulfilled. Villains aren't supposed to be powerful anti-heroes who only do evil acts, they are supposed to, IMHO at least, be evil to the very core.

Now on to my point, Kishimoto must A) Hate Orochimaru and B) Take that Uchiha dick for all its worth. The latter is a well known fact and off-topic but just wanted to throw that out there :p. Every villain that has appeared has been given a rightful death appropriate of their character, but Kishimoto makes it a point to constantly revive Orochimaru just to humiliate him. I have never read a manga where the villain is embarrassed so many times and not be for comedic relief. Orochimaru deserves a rightful death! I'd rather him have been killed off in Part 1 in a decent battle then see him reduced to this continuing loop of phail.

First we see Itachi's 1.2 second pwnage of Orochimaru when he attempted to try to take his body. But instead of making Orochimaru wise up and train or plan a strategy to counteract the Sharingan (Deidara, Gai) he loses AGAIN to Sasuke using the CS2. First why does Kishimoto make a technique that bends the users will to Orochimaru and state that it was Sasuke's will that made him counter the transfer? And second why do you make Orochimaru, a genius, lose to the same exact genjutsu? After that Oro fans reasoned that he PLANNED to get taken over and resurface when Itachi v Sasuke played out and guess what? We were right! But not even a full chapter after he appears he is owned AGAIN by Itachi. JESUS CHRIST Kishi! Give the man a break or better yet a death. Now we have one more incarnation of Orochimaru who is stuck in Kabuto and I almost wanna cry thinking about how bad he is going to get owned.

This manga has OFFICIALLY FAILED. Orochimaru MADE this manga AND the plot. Without Orochimaru fail villains like Madara (a goof ball which I can't take srsly now) and Pain (God Complex Nuff Said :sun) get introduced and are supposed to make the readers give two shits. IDC for the plot now and once the final remnants of Orochimaru are purged/killed from Kabuto then I will stop reading. I realize now that the legendary Sannin won't be given his proper exit and when he goes so will I.

It has been 1000000000000000000000000000000000000% Prooved that Kishimoto hates Orochimaru. All Oro fans pour some liquor on a once great villain who's legacy as one has been sullied by an overly biased writer who has forgotten the name of his own Manga

R.I.P :oro
 
Just because Orochimaru seems to have been Konaned doesn't mean that he hates him. Rather, it seems more over that it was just a very convenient thing to do, and he only bottled him.

Fans do, however.

Kishimoto: Orochimaru is pretty much disliked. They say that a character of that sort is usually liked, but even in the fan letters and things like that, it seems that he is very much disliked.
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Its well known that Oro is not liked much as a character in japan, so of course Kishi will throw him away like shit.
Even here in PR where i live, my friends talk about how Oro is such a shitty character.
 
Well I wouldn't really call them fans because Orochimaru's personality hasn't changed since the beginning so the same person that made them fans is the same person he is now.

Yes purging Orochimaru from Sasuke in one swoop after giving Sasuke numerous power ups is convenient but the way he was defeated thrice by the Uchiha brothers ruins his legacy as a villain.
 
Hehe I originally posted this in the preview thread but I figured it would be worth it to post it here as well:

The Demise of Oro"

Oro: Kukuku, after all this time trapped in Sasuke's mind, I'm finally back!!! :imslow

Oro Fans: omg!!! I've waited so long for this moment!!! Yes! Now Oro can finally teach these uchiha-tards a lesson!!! We've taken so much crap from those guys over the past 100 chapters! Now its time to DISH IT BACK!!!! :nuts

Ackwell:I love you Oro!!! Take me with you!!!!! :hearts

Oro: Hahaha see? :zaru I am the immortal white snake and you can never get rid of me! Now I will make u all pay for making me look like such a failu-

*Oro gets pwned again*

Oro Fans: :D:

Ackwell: :uwah *dies*

Kishimoto:: Hahaha I sure owned those Oro fans this chapter, ON THE FACE!!!!! :WOW
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It really is a bit ridiculous how it was handled.

And it is also Kishi's main failure, both with Orochimaru, and with Itachi

IMO - Kishi knows that outside of the Uchiha context, he has represent Orochimaru as an absolute beast - a shinobi god. He is Sandaime's original chosen successor and direct apprentice, one of the legendary Sannin and foremost among them for the Hokage position, the rival for the Yondaime title, a former member of Akatsuki, and the killer of two Kages. He has been shown repeatedly trumping Jiraiya in thier encounters, and it is now known just how strong Jiraiya is. He can revive the dead, has regenerative abilities that makes Tsunade's pale in comparison, a legendary sword, an insane collection of jutsus, and summons and jutsus like Manda and the Hydra that are on massive scale. This man is NOT to be taken lightly.

So Kishi has Orochimaru fall in front of Itachi in record time, and he uses this to establish Itachi's strength in the reader's mind. But he's overplayed this particular card, and now instead of it being "Itachi can stomp even the strongest of the strong", it's simply "Itachi can stomp Orochimaru ONLY but he'd have a hellish time with Jiraiya or any other Kage level opponent" which is totally not what Kishi wants you to think. But it's how the bias has flowed, simply becuase he refuses to subject any other character to the ownings Itachi provides (except for Deidara in the flashback).
 
I see it as really not so much as he is downplaying Orochimaru, but Kishi downplaying his own skills as a writer. I doubt Kishi even knows what to do with Orochimaru at this point. He seems to not even really care. He just wants him out of the way in the context of the Sasuke arc. The whole contrivance with Itachi's magical sword that can suddenly seal him away for eternity in a genjutsu realm was some weak writing. And it was also mighty good timing considering that both Itachi and Sasuke are exhausted and would have been easy picking for Orochimaru otherwise.

I just have to roll my eyes at this stuff now. If he has no future plans for Orochimaru then Kishi should just kill him off in some sort of epic fashion. If he wants him to be factor later in the plot then he shouldn't keep pwning him like Konoha academy student because it A)contradicts much of the plot surrounding Orochimaru as being truly powerful, and B)prevents anybody from taking Orochimaru seriously when he returns.

Orochimaru might as well not return at all as far as I'm concerned. Kishi has pretty much ruined his character in Part 2 already for the most part. There is no way that Orochimaru could ever be a believable final villain after getting pwned so easily twice. Not that I think Madara or Pain make a greater final villain. I just don't want such a great character to be further subjected to Kishi's attempts at bad writing. R.I.P. Orochimaru. We know it wasn't really you, but Kishi's love affair with Ushiha that ruined your character.
 
Kishimoto has portrayed Orochimaru as a true shinobi god, but he has put him in ironic circumstances just to easily establish a moral in the common reader's mind. He is the symbol of evil in Naruto and ultimatly, the symbol of failure.

He is paralleled to a demon like entity, but he was easily dealt with by the Uchihas (his own obcession). In the end, he is and will always be defeated by his own desires. Thats the moral behind his character.

But I actually think Kishimoto appreciates Orochimaru, due to the complexity of his creation. And if Kishimoto truly wanted to kill Orochimaru right away, he wouldn't use a technique that would "seal" him in a genjutsu nor would he have made Kabuto integrate his remains.
 
I find it hilarious that so many of you are so quick to criticize Kishi's writing without thought.

And I don't find it coincidental that the majority of you are either anti-uchiha or oro lovers.

Stop being so god damn quick to condemn. NONE of you know how the rest of the story goes, NONE of you even know how NEXT weeks chapter will go. For all we know, Oro bursts out screaming "LOLZ DAT WAS MAH BUNSHIN UR DEAD!!!", and then all of you will start posting threads praising Kishi for such a great plot twist, and what a phenom writer he is.

Just stop it.

"Kishi was using this to re-hype Itachi"
There's no need. He could've simply had susanoo own the hell out of sasuke, or used another fodder nin to display the swords power, if the sword has any plot power.

"Kishi hates Oro"
Again, we don't know the rest of the plotline. And he doesn't hate Oro, nor would he suicide one of his greatest villains in the name of Uchiha, no matter how badly you all think he's in bed with them.

"Kishi sucks"
Go. Die.
 
I'm not even a FAN of Orochimaru and it pissed me off. I have respect for him as the series poster villain and for all his awesome creepy jutsu, and for him to have all these pathetic kill offs after being built up as so uber in the first part of the series (And that EPIC battle vs the Third, I mean really was that not like OMGWTFBBQQhvhfhudsfig?!), it's like, okaaayy.......for how uber Sasuke and Itachi are now it just makes me almost sick, I guess it's been too long since DBZ I'm not prepared for so much uber-powerup-ing.

But yea, even though Orochimaru has been 'pwned' a number of times…..it seems no matter how much you 'kill him for realz' he always comes back somehow. And that in and of itself IS pwnage, really, the mark of a REALLY UBER villain is the ability to cheat death. Remember how many times Doc Ock was 'killed' in the old Spiderman? Or Lex Luthor? Or Megatron? You can't kill these guys. And Orochimaru seems to be one of those. X3

But, DEAD IN TWO PAGES....SRSLY a little more battle would have been appropriate. Kishi was not using the ‘lol I’m not really dead!” super villain trait in a good way, more of a laughable way. It was just bad comic-making if you ask me. Just....blah. Unless Orochimaru pops up in the next chapter. Cheating the 'ultimate sealing sword'. That would be uber.

OT - I kinda wanna know WTF is happening the 'technical' main character and teammates and the 'technical true original villain' ... XD
 
Oro sure as hell isn't gone for good. Keep in mind that there is a pretty good chance that he managed to take Sasuke's body. And if that doesn't happen, Kabutomaru is still out there...

I honestly can't fucking wait till next chapter!!! This is honeslty one of the most anticipated chapters in the whole manga IMO.. If Oro realy is still alive and kickin, it'll open up so many doors. It will liven up this Uchiha cock-fest and show us that the manga we all(excluding Uchihatards) know and love, still exists! No longer will we have to suffer through chapter after chapter of Uchiha this Uchiha that! Sasuke will get what's comming to him, and finally I can go back to enjoying this manga, instead of just putting up with it. It'll give Kishimoto his credibility back, and balance out this manga.

But just incase Oro is actually gone for good. Remember that he's fought some of the toughest opponent in the whole manga! Sarutobi, Itachi, Jiraiya, Tsunade and don't forget, he was involved in the showcase of KN4! He was NOT hated by Kishimoto, that's for fucking sure.
 
Or you know, Oro was not intended to be the final boss. Especially when he admitted to being weaker to Itachi and Jiraiya said that there were bigger fish to fry. You know, back in Part 1 and all. :zaru

Not to mention we now see the person that has started it all so technically Madara made the plot. :noworry

As I said in another thread, eternal genjutsu would be a fitting end for Oro.
 
i'm a fan of oro.

392 made him look bad. however, it also made it clear that he keeps on coming back.
his chances of being the final villain have increased. all the true fans just need some
patience.
 
CoolMastr said:
Every villain that has appeared has been given a rightful death appropriate of their character, but Kishimoto makes it a point to constantly revive Orochimaru just to humiliate him. I have never read a manga where the villain is embarrassed so many times and not be for comedic relief. Orochimaru deserves a rightful death!
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Maybe that is Kishi's way of showing his respect to Orochimaru, in the best possible way. What we expect from the bad characters is to get killed by ninjas from the other side. But, proper ending is not something that typically happens.

That is the case, especially if a character is beyond evil or made up to act or behave so. Hidan, as comforming to the latter case, was given an improper no-death by putting him in a state of suffering an eternal nothing. Orochimaru tried to achieve a state close to Hidan's, but failed to do so. But, he also lost his way to deserve the proper ending part because of not being able to turn back to the past. In that aspect, his improper and still undecided ending was fitting to his character and his achievements(!). Of course, unlike Hidan, what happened to him, would also suggest that he may still come back, cause we all know eternal means almost nothing in the Narutoverse.

Anyways, to reach his final state, him getting pierced by the three most powerful sealing jutsus at three different times, and still having the chance of a comeback, is not something a typical villain can achieve. More Kyuubi-demon like than a human.
 
Wow, he's hated by the Elevens? I like Oro very much.

His gross rebirth Jutsu is probably my favourite jutsu in the series. :laugh
There's just something badarse about coming out of your mouth.

Oh well, I blame the editors for this. I'm sure Kishi didn't want Oro to be Konaned, but fan demand and the editors made him do so.
 
You can hardly call me a fan of Orochimaru, but he was destined to fall before Itachi the second Susano-o was introduced. Add to the fact that in the Japanese Bijuu mythology, Orochi, the eighth-tailed mythical beast, fell at the hands of Kyuubi no Youko. He was destined to fail going along these lines, but I'm just disappointed how much he was owned and made of fail when we saw so much of his potential in Part I. Oh, and this dude put it in terms I can definitely relate to:

really is a bit ridiculous how it was handled.

And it is also Kishi's main failure, both with Orochimaru, and with Itachi

IMO - Kishi knows that outside of the Uchiha context, he has represent Orochimaru as an absolute beast - a shinobi god. He is Sandaime's original chosen successor and direct apprentice, one of the legendary Sannin and foremost among them for the Hokage position, the rival for the Yondaime title, a former member of Akatsuki, and the killer of two Kages. He has been shown repeatedly trumping Jiraiya in thier encounters, and it is now known just how strong Jiraiya is. He can revive the dead, has regenerative abilities that makes Tsunade's pale in comparison, a legendary sword, an insane collection of jutsus, and summons and jutsus like Manda and the Hydra that are on massive scale. This man is NOT to be taken lightly.

So Kishi has Orochimaru fall in front of Itachi in record time, and he uses this to establish Itachi's strength in the reader's mind. But he's overplayed this particular card, and now instead of it being "Itachi can stomp even the strongest of the strong", it's simply "Itachi can stomp Orochimaru ONLY but he'd have a hellish time with Jiraiya or any other Kage level opponent" which is totally not what Kishi wants you to think. But it's how the bias has flowed, simply becuase he refuses to subject any other character to the ownings Itachi provides (except for Deidara in the flashback).
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I dont think orochimaru lost to the same exact genjutsu. this new one is much worse....it never ends. but just to note, orochimaru is not dead yet...he is just sealed away, which means kishimoto could bring him back in the future, if the seal is compromised...but then who knows the purpose kishi would bring orochimaru back for.
 
Nah. Oro is set for a glorious comeback. Kishi has made him the white snake, the animal of good fortune and rebirth.

Now we shall compare Oro and the Uchiha in terms of medical conditions.

Orochimaru = terminal cancer. It won't go away until it gets what it wants.

The Uchiha = chronic diarrhea. It tries and tries to get the disease out, but fails in a messy way, undignified way.
 
The problem is that Oro's goals is far to dangerous for the main characters to actually succeed. Pein and Madara can look invinsible by beating up nameless Bijuu fodder, while Oro's focus is on Sasuke and Sharingan, a cornerstone in this manga. Of course he can never pull through 100%, because of the implications that would lead too.

If Oro came inside Sasuke, Sasuke would probably be dead. And if not, then Naruto and Konoha would need to change focus on killing off a enormous threat rather than saving someone, and thus make Naruto break that lifetime promise.

But i have a feeling that Kishi will try to balance it out by having Kabuto kick some serious ass.
 
I don't disagree with the fact that he is coming back but the way things are going if he comes back and faces the Sharingan again then he will just get defeated. Most of us knew he was coming back when he was absorbed by Sasuke but that damn Sharingan is like Snake's Bane.
 
Oke, I must agree.. His Appearance last Chapter was a totale waste of 7(? orso) Frames.


Kishi COuld have gone a little more creative =P

Give Orochimaru some more time (if he really wanted him to be there) or don't put him in.
 
Jin-E said:
The problem is that Oro's goals is far to dangerous for the main characters to actually succeed. Pein and Madara can look invinsible by beating up nameless Bijuu fodder, while Oro's focus is on Sasuke and Sharingan, a cornerstone in this manga. Of course he can never pull through 100%, because of the implications that would lead too.

If Oro came inside Sasuke, Sasuke would probably be dead. And if not, then Naruto and Konoha would need to change focus on killing off a enormous threat rather than saving someone, and thus make Naruto break that lifetime promise.

But i have a feeling that Kishi will try to balance it out by having Kabuto kick some serious ass.
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erm i agree with what you say....but ain't Pein's plan in creating jutsu that can wipe of a village instantly an enormous threat...? lol. thats like comparable to nuclear bombs in the real world.
 
I am actually wondering why so many people(including my self) like oro. I remeber when I first saw him in the anime I was dissapointed. When my friend told me he was as powerful as the hokage I was disgusted.

Even the fight where he trashed sasuke didn't change my opinion (wtf? why isn't he burning??). It took the battle against hokage to see his awesomeness, that episodes with the Hokage fight and the invasion of Kohona were made of distilled win.

The fight had the perfect ending noone really wone and ow the always so cokcy and scary oro ended up screaming his ass out at the dying old man. That made that villain for me. He was a guy you would have no reason liking and every reason hating, yet the exact opposite happened.

I am certain that he wouldn't be so popular if he hadn't failed so many times.

His awesome style, theme fitting uber cool powers and pure evil helped a lot too.

Its 100% proven Oro is one of the best villains evar! Way to go Kishi!


On a side note I like the fact that Itachi had a very specific and selfish reason to do the things he did. And I like the "breaking" of his mask, revealing him to be insane and power hungry. Made me like him a bit more ;).
 
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