How much stronger is Naruto than Sasuke?

Zaraki No Kenpachi

Zaraki No Kenpachi

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Please, refrain from hatred and flames, <3.

It has come to our intention that Sasuke has lost CS, along with Orochimaru's abilities.

The two rivals and main character of the story, Uchiha Sasuke and Uzumaki Naruto, let's discuss their progress and Sasuke sudden loss of abilites.

We do not really no how strong Naruto is, the least we know is that he surpassed Kakashi and arguebly "one shotted" the Akatsuki member 'Kakuzu.'

Naruto also have the Kyuubi chakra at his disposal, along side with the perfect counter for Sasuke nature affinity.

For me it's no longer a question about who is stronger, but simply... How much stronger his Uzumaki Naruto, the God of Wind AkA Kyuubi's puppeteer, than a genius that only appears once every few decades, Uchiha Sasuke, The Avenger AKA God of Lightning?

If you tend to disagree, please explain why and how.

Discuss.
 
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Naruto is nothing but a fodder ninja who's ultimate technique.. is 'crying for attention no jutsu'...
 
Base Sasuke can still speedblitz Base Naruto without any trouble. Base Sasuke can still use all those Chidori variants. Base Sasuke can still use those high-level Katons to counter Naruto's Fuuton. Base Sasuke can still supress the Kyuubi's chakra. Base Sasuke can still use Kirin. Base Sasuke still has Sharingan-level genjutsu. Base Sasuke still has the sharingan's abilities. Base Sasuke still has Kusanagi. Base Sasuke still has Snake Summoning and snakes (see Anko).

Sasuke lost CS2's defensive boost, and Oro's regen abilities (Kawarimi if you think that was an Oro technique). That's about it.

However, this is a nice flamebait thread, I'll watch how it develops.
 
Merciless said:
You/Your thread is a waste of cyberspace...

Your threads topic is completely false...

Therefore... do everyone a favor and delete your post.
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It's a totally serious and legit thread, stay on topic.

Naruto has surpassed Kakashi, we don't know how strong he really is. Sasuke the CS and Orochimaru's abilites which might have given him the edge vs Naruto.

But I seriously, do NOT think, Sasuke(without cs and Orochimaru) can compete with this Naruto.
 
Zaraki No Kenpachi said:
It's a totally serious and legit thread, stay on topic.

Naruto has surpassed Kakashi, we don't know how strong he really is. Sasuke the CS and Orochimaru's abilites which might have given him the edge vs Naruto.

But I seriously, do NOT think, Sasuke(without cs and Orochimaru) can compete with this Naruto.
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Naruto was owned by 1 itachi finger... and a second time by an itachi clone....

Sasuke beat a 100% Itachi...

Now, stop dreaming. Sasuke makes Naruto look like a fodder ninja.
 
Seeing as Naruto lost to Itachi's finger, I would say take Sasuke's strength and times that by -1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 :LOS
 
Merciless said:
Naruto was owned by 1 itachi finger... and a second time by an itachi clone....
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That was at mere Jounin level Naruto. :oh

Merciless said:
Sasuke beat a 100% Itachi...

Now, stop dreaming. Sasuke makes Naruto look like a fodder ninja.
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Your fandom is excessive, you lack indulgence to even see how much Sasuke has failed.

But seriously thou, you really think Sasuke with only his sharingan can defeat, or let's say, totally dominated(since you kinda imply it), the current Naruto?
 
Sasuke was on a completely different level to Naruto prior to this, so I'd say losing some of his abilities simply evens things out.

Sasuke still has superior speed, Naruto has Kage Bunshin. They'll even out. Naruto has one spectacular jutsu, but Sasuke has one almost as spectacular and pretty much complete mastery of Raiton (Naruto hasn't had chance to really master his element yet). And Sasuke has his genjutsu too, which Naruto is still quite weak to. Naruto has the advantage in stamina and healing though.

Overall, I think they'd be reasonably evenly matched. Sasuke would probably dominate early on, but Naruto's stamina would give him the edge as the fight went on.
 
Naruto has KB, Rasengan, Summoning, and a small amount of regen. That should be enough to hold up to Base Sasuke. Although the thing is we don't really know if the CS is actually gone yet.
 
Woofie said:
Sasuke was on a completely different level to Naruto prior to this, so I'd say losing some of his abilities simply evens things out.

Sasuke still has superior speed, Naruto has Kage Bunshin. They'll even out. Naruto has one spectacular jutsu, but Sasuke has one almost as spectacular and pretty much complete mastery of Raiton (Naruto hasn't had chance to really master his element yet). And Sasuke has his genjutsu too, which Naruto is still quite weak to. Naruto has the advantage in stamina and healing though.

Overall, I think they'd be reasonably evenly matched. Sasuke would probably dominate early on, but Naruto's stamina would give him the edge as the fight went on.
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Mje, Naruto's weakest point is prolly Sasuke's genjutsu abilities. But he still got KB training, he could find a way to totally nullify it.

I think the major factor is that Naruto could just out tank Sasuke, and his chakra surpasses Sasuske's by far. And Naruto still has Kyuubi healing abilities which -> Orochimaru's.

I do think Naruto would win at the moment, if Sasuke did not have CS and Orochimaru healing abilities, which we have been implied that he doesnt.
 
If you believe yamato's words that naruto is now a "diff person" noone actually has any idea of narutos current skill level. Although he always has been susceptible to genjutsu (pwned by itachi clone) and is currently getting laughed at by tobi. If you look at abilities displayed by both of them at THIS stage in the manga, sasuke pwns naruto in every facet, but there is so much of narutos ability that hasnt been divulged into by kishi.
 
Woofie said:
Sasuke was on a completely different level to Naruto prior to this, so I'd say losing some of his abilities simply evens things out.

Sasuke still has superior speed, Naruto has Kage Bunshin. They'll even out. Naruto has one spectacular jutsu, but Sasuke has one almost as spectacular and pretty much complete mastery of Raiton (Naruto hasn't had chance to really master his element yet). And Sasuke has his genjutsu too, which Naruto is still quite weak to. Naruto has the advantage in stamina and healing though.

Overall, I think they'd be reasonably evenly matched. Sasuke would probably dominate early on, but Naruto's stamina would give him the edge as the fight went on.
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I agree here^^

Sasuke was more elaborate in part 1, as far as we learned.,. and even if he lost CS.. he still seems to have his amazing abilities^^..
Naruto has trained as well... they both developed nicely

but

They have totally different Jutsus and fighting styles..

and so I think they are pretty even...
Though if they would fight again...
Narutos amount of chacra is much bigger, due to Kyuubi.
That is what might make the difference in the end.
 
orangetree said:
If you believe yamato's words that naruto is now a "diff person" noone actually has any idea of narutos current skill level. Although he always has been susceptible to genjutsu (pwned by itachi clone) and is currently getting laughed at by tobi. If you look at abilities displayed by both of them at THIS stage in the manga, sasuke pwns naruto in every facet, but there is so much of narutos ability that hasnt been divulged into by kishi.
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Madara is still Madara.

I've never said he could compete with him.
 
Zaraki No Kenpachi said:
Mje, Naruto's weakest point is prolly Sasuke's genjutsu abilities. But he still got KB training, he could find a way to totally nullify it.
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Ah, yes. Optimism in Naruto's development. So, Naruto is stronger than Sasuke because in the future, he MIGHT find a way to nullify his greatest disadvantage, which he doesn't have now.
 
Dark Ascendant said:
Ah, yes. Optimism in Naruto's development. So, Naruto is stronger than Sasuke because in the future, he MIGHT find a way to nullify his greatest disadvantage, which he doesn't have now.
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No, I'm not saying he might be able to nullify it.

Just because he is weak against genjutsu dosnt mean he has to lose because of it.

I'm saying he MIGHT be able to nullify ALL genjutsu of ZE world in the future, it's only logical, KB is serverly broken.
 
Kage bunshin is genjutsus (sharingans) greatest disadvantage as stated by chiyo (if you count her opinion to be of n e use) Naruto just needs to be smart with it which he has shown potential to be as against kakashi with bell test. However chidori nagashi could prolli just destroy the bunshins in one go.
 
orangetree said:
Kage bunshin is genjutsus (sharingans) greatest disadvantage as stated by chiyo (if you count her opinion to be of n e use) Naruto just needs to be smart with it which he has shown potential to be as against kakashi with bell test. However chidori nagashi could prolli just destroy the bunshins in one go.
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Katons and kunai can do the job easily as shown in the past. :pek
 
Zaraki No Kenpachi said:
No, I'm not saying he might be able to nullify it.

Just because he is weak against genjutsu dosnt mean he has to lose because of it.

I'm saying he MIGHT be able to nullify ALL genjutsu of ZE world in the future, it's only logical, KB is serverly broken.
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No, you asked How much stronger his Uzumaki Naruto, the God of Wind AkA Kyuubi's puppeteer, than Uchiha Sasuke?

You used assumptions about Naruto's possible development in the future (based more on speculation with analysis) and tried to apply it to a question that applies to the present.
 
Dark Ascendant said:
No, you asked How much stronger his Uzumaki Naruto, the God of Wind AkA Kyuubi's puppeteer, than Uchiha Sasuke?

You used assumptions about Naruto's possible development in the future (based more on speculation with analysis) and tried to apply it to a question that applies to the present.
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Are, you, unable, to, read?

I, said, he, MIGHT, be, able, to, totally, nullify, it.

You, do, not, have, to, totally, nullify, something, in, order, to, 'win', over, it.

Especially, when, Naruto, is, an, expert, in, using, KB, they, could, easily, disrupt, his, chakra, flow.
 
The problem is you said How much stronger is naruto than sasuke? When currently in the manga naruto has shown NOTHING that can currently compete with sasuke. Yea he has development and all that, but thats no justification to blatantly say that naruto is currently stronger than sasuke coz in all reality we have NO idea of narutos strength. we DO kno sasukes strength, and from what naruto has shown he cant compete with that. Im not saying that he wont ever be able to compete with that, he could show in this fight against tobi the supposed 'development' he made with jiraiya and KB training but the fact is there is NO evidence in the manga at present to suggest naruto could beat sasuke.
 
Zaraki No Kenpachi said:
Are, you, unable, to, read?

I, said, he, MIGHT, be, able, to, totally, nullify, it.

You, do, not, have, to, totally, nullify, something, in, order, to, 'win', over, it.

Especially, when, Naruto, is, an, expert, in, using, KB, they, could, easily, disrupt, his, chakra, flow.
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Exactly. You are making predictions about the future when your question clearly states that you are only making a comparison about the present situation.

If I was unable to read and need to repeat the fifth grade, perhaps you should join me and relearn basic grammar. Together with our combined power, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the playground.
 
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