Full Power Isshiki vs WA Rinnegan Sasuke

Full Power Isshiki vs Teen WA Sasuke


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MYGod000

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Well there's two factions on Boruto power levels here but I think both should think that Isshiki at full power is on another level so there shouldn't be much disagreement he's above the Teen bros even if you think the Boruto bros are weaker, I wanted to see if the other faction agreed on that or not

He was at full power the only difference was he had a time limit and was dying slowing from it, which is why he needed a proper vessel. Jigen body couldn't hold together.
 

MYGod000

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You were aware I could read, plus disagreeing with your opinion on a comic book character doesn’t make someone an idiot

They weren’t continuously summoned,

One small group of flames was summoned by Koji, which got shrunk by Jigen, but they were still there on a minuscule scale burning him, which then erupted around his arm on a scale that was lethal to him and we could see now, so he shrunk them again, then erupted around his entire body when he couldn’t stop them expanding anymore

The flames were never removed from the dimension because that eye does not remove anything from the dimension, that’s why it’s constantly described as “shrinking” objects, NOT “teleporting” or “transporting” them, and that’s why the same flames that were summoned ONCE by Koji burned Jigen to death

I see what you are saying.


Jigen doesn't have the Eye Of Isshiki that stores things in another Dimension, he just has Isshiki other Ability which shrinks things Down....but they still exist just on a smaller scale.

Isshiki has the ability to shrink Objects making them smaller

He also has his Dojutsu which Transports objects to another dimension and stores them.

I agree with you after seeing all the evidence. Isshiki Shrinking ability=/=Dojutsu ability that teleports objects away.
 

MYGod000

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That's not what he said, imagine thinking they're purposefully taking Ls so the kids can shine. Yeah now you're implying Kishi is retardef instead of accepting they got weaker, so kids can solo villains as well as the low kage. Repeat that argument back to yourself and tell us again you don't know what you're talking about:kobeha

We're done here, kid.
Kishi/Kodachi directly admitting that the bros had to be nerfed?

This is what I was saying people will look at one line and misrepresent everything that was said in it.


Yes, Everyone in boruto is basically relative to each other, Kages fight on similar level as Naruto and Sasuke.


evidence Being two Kages were able to fight Kinshiki and Momoshiki; Delta being above to fight relative to Adult Naruto even though it was stated she stood no chance. Kojin being able to fight relative to Jigen and Isshiki even though he stood no chance.

Regardless of Jigen being less than 10% of his chakra...Kojin then later fight Relative to much more powerful Isshiki. You put Jiraiya up against an Otsutsuki in boruto he would fight relative to him regardless if he stands 0 chance of winning.


Yes, Adult Sasuke and Naruto are nerfed to being weaker than they were before. Before Sasuke could switch with Objects and even impale you by Switch you into an object.

Jigen/Isshiki clearly couldn't counter that ability of Sasuke in fact no one really could.

it almost like x-Axies from Bleach ameno can't be blocked and it can't be dodged.




If Sasuke had better used his Rinnegan he could have impaled Jigen with his own Rod. If he was able to switch his sword into Madara i see no reason why he couldn't switch Jigen Rods into him or his head mortally wounding Jigen.


Kishimoto not wanting Boruto to Repeat The mistakes of shippuden final Arc in Naruto where He made Madara too powerful and didn't know how to logically beat him so he had to intervene to make Madara lose is a good move on his part.

Making them much weaker and not wanting this to be the Naruto and Sasuke Show is good, everyone get to show off their skills and be useful in someway.
 

Yagami Uchiha

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Most of the Rikudō no Jutsu abilities lost their narrative weight during the war.

1. When Madara manifested his Kanseitai Susanoo, he stated it to be his full power, despite having the Rinnegan's Rikudō no Jutsu.

2. When Madara was revived, he declared that if he were to use the Rinnegan's true powers, a sophisticated battle would take place, and Limbo Hengoku was employed right after he said this — an ability he couldn't use as an Edo Tensei.

So clearly by narrative/portrayal, Limbo & Susanoo > Rikudō no Jutsu for Madara.

Likewise, it's Amenotejikara & Susanoo > Rikudō no Jutsu for Sasuke because Amenotejikara is Sasuke's Limbo equivalent.

That's just how it is. Not only does Sasuke have a preferred move-set (likes to incorporate Chidori, Katon, Amaterasu, etc.) and the writers have a limit to how many abilities they can implement in a fight, but narratively, the Rikudō no Jutsu were clearly cast aside, with nothing more than the occasional use of Tendō and Gakidō for both Madara and Sasuke.

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Regardless, Isshiki can also deal with what you mentioned more easily than against Amenotejikara & Susanoo.

1. As far as we know, the 5 second cooldown likely still applies to Shinra Tensei & Banshō Ten'in, so even if Sasuke repels Isshiki's rods or repels Isshiki himself, he would have to wait 5 seconds before using either of them again.

And what would happen is even if Isshiki's rods get repelled, he can shrink & store them back and re-attack Sasuke with them well before the 5-second cooldown is over. It's so easy for Isshiki to make Sasuke waste his ST/BT uses. He can just start to drop a single object to make Sasuke waste one use of ST, and attack Sasuke with multiple objects subsequently afterwards.

As for getting hit by ST, Killer B (base) did just fine after Nagato used a powerful one — all Isshiki needs to do is brace himself and since he can levitate, there is no need for him to dig anything into the ground like Six-Tailed Naruto did — he can leverage himself in mid-air.

2. Core-less CT was overpowered by Momoshiki in the anime, and assuming Isshiki gets tagged, he would have no trouble breaking free as well.

3. Ningendō only quickly worked on fodders far weaker than the user. Heck, Nagato was superior to Naruto, and still, it was taking time for him to pull Naruto's soul out. In this particular case, where Sasuke is facing someone with more chakra and physically superior to himself, the moment he tries to grab Isshiki, he gets punched to the face.

4. Genjutsu was not employed against Kaguya, Naruto, and Momoshiki either. Honestly, I think that if it was worth trying, Sasuke would have done so.

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Naruto not using Kairiki Musō is a great point though. He should have definitely tried it.

I personally think however that either Isshiki can simply shrink the steam coming out of Naruto's body to cut off the boost or he can just shrink himself to avoid getting punched.
@Aegon Targaryen I do agree with your points here, you do know your Naruto stuff.

However, I would like to clarify something. The fandom’s (me included) biggest complaint isn’t the fact that the brothers lost to Isshiki, but it’s the fact that they didn’t even TRY to use their most useful abilities.

The writers could have easily shown us the brothers full power, while also making Isshiki win. For example, have Sasuke at least push Isshiki once with ST. It doesn’t matter if Isshiki immediately retaliates with a technique he absorbed before, just show us what N/S are truly capable of now.

I’ll use Bleach as an example. The captain trio (Toshiro, Byakuya, Kenpachi) had just gotten new, more powerful forms. Even though their OP techniques were ineffective against Gerard, Kubo at least showed us what the captains are capable of with their newfound abilities (like Toshiro’s ability to freeze anything, including abilities themselves). Sure, the techniques were largely ineffective, and Gerard no-sold them, but at least we got a pretty good idea about how strong they are. Same thing with Shunsui’s Bankai. It failed to kill Lille, but at least we saw just how dangerous and OP the Captain-Commanders Bankai really is. Same with Yamamoto’s Bankai. Yamamoto didn’t even fight against the real Yhwach, but we still got to see how powerful Yama is with his Bankai. Ichibei also failed to do anything to Yhwach. Everything Ichibei did to Yhwach was ineffective, kido, Shikai and Bankai included. Even a technique that was supposed to completely erase Yhwach failed. But, we still saw just how broken the monk truly is. Kubo could’ve just made Ichibei think “Yeah, the A will negate all of my abilities, no need to even try anything.” The list goes on.

I don’t care if Isshiki tanks all of their attacks, at least let us fans see what our favorites are truly capable of. Even 8 Gates were unable to put Madara down, but at least we got to see it, since it was hyped back in the Chunin Exams as being capable of negging the 5 Kage. Let Sasuke trap Isshiki in Genjutsu + CT (like he did to the Bijuu), and let Naruto attempt to end Isshiki while he’s trapped with a TBBRS/YRS. Even if it fails, no worries. At least we get to see what they can do. Ikemoto/Kishimoto can still make Kawaki/Boruto land the finishing blow afterwards. Also, instead of making Momoshiki stab Sasuke’s eye (although I do admit it makes sense considering Sasuke did exactly that to Momoshiki earlier), have Sasuke use (an enhanced version) Izanagi/Izanami, where he has to sacrifice his Rinnegan to save Naruto from Baryon Mode’s death.
 
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Sufex

The Ghost
Isshiki was lol diffing both adult bros and was fighting on par with baryon nardo while dying while sauce could barley follow the fight only using ameno to use himself as a meat shield

:crazwhat
How is this 6 pages isshitti surfs on sauce and does sick skateboard skills
In a murderstomp
 

Orochibuto

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Didn't Rinnegan Sasuke spent the entire Kaguya fight being raped by her? And Isshiki > Her. What the fuck is Rinnegan Sasuke going to do to Prime Isshiki?
 

TraderJoe

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Didn't Rinnegan Sasuke spent the entire Kaguya fight being raped by her? And Isshiki > Her. What the fuck is Rinnegan Sasuke going to do to Prime Isshiki?
Not sure why so many people conflate pre-fruit Kaguya and post-fruit. Isshiki is higher ranked than Kaguya so you could make a valid argument he should be stronger. However, pre-fruit Kaguya negged him so maybe not. Regardless, using rankings to discern how post-fruit Kaguya scales is not valid.
 

DaVizWiz

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This is what I was saying people will look at one line and misrepresent everything that was said in it.


Yes, Everyone in boruto is basically relative to each other, Kages fight on similar level as Naruto and Sasuke.


evidence Being two Kages were able to fight Kinshiki and Momoshiki; Delta being above to fight relative to Adult Naruto even though it was stated she stood no chance. Kojin being able to fight relative to Jigen and Isshiki even though he stood no chance.

Regardless of Jigen being less than 10% of his chakra...Kojin then later fight Relative to much more powerful Isshiki. You put Jiraiya up against an Otsutsuki in boruto he would fight relative to him regardless if he stands 0 chance of winning.


Yes, Adult Sasuke and Naruto are nerfed to being weaker than they were before. Before Sasuke could switch with Objects and even impale you by Switch you into an object.

Jigen/Isshiki clearly couldn't counter that ability of Sasuke in fact no one really could.

it almost like x-Axies from Bleach ameno can't be blocked and it can't be dodged.




If Sasuke had better used his Rinnegan he could have impaled Jigen with his own Rod. If he was able to switch his sword into Madara i see no reason why he couldn't switch Jigen Rods into him or his head mortally wounding Jigen.


Kishimoto not wanting Boruto to Repeat The mistakes of shippuden final Arc in Naruto where He made Madara too powerful and didn't know how to logically beat him so he had to intervene to make Madara lose is a good move on his part.

Making them much weaker and not wanting this to be the Naruto and Sasuke Show is good, everyone get to show off their skills and be useful in someway.
Sasuke wasn’t allowed to use Ameno offensively after the initial exchanges with Madara. They were the debut exchanges, we needed to see how it worked, but after that it got nerfed like most Dojutsu, otherwise Sasuke would be removing Naruto from his avatar into a PS blade or Kaguya into her own Ash Bone, it couldn’t be allowed.

Boruto writer just followed the rules Kishi made for it, that move against Jigen is about the softest use of Ameno Sasuke could possibly make on anyone, outside of moving behind someone to shoot a weaker than BoS fireball that a child could meatshield (vs Shin). Didn’t move the guy into his own scalpels either, instead chose to use his back on them instead, so Sasuke wasn’t even allowed to use it offensively on a filler villain.

Sasuke might be the most nerfed MC of any shonen comic, this would be the equivalent of taking Vegeta back several arcs at any point in that series, Sasuke seriously fights like a mentally challenged elderly man.
 
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Orochibuto

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Not sure why so many people conflate pre-fruit Kaguya and post-fruit. Isshiki is higher ranked than Kaguya so you could make a valid argument he should be stronger. However, pre-fruit Kaguya negged him so maybe not. Regardless, using rankings to discern how post-fruit Kaguya scales is not valid.

The rank is only one thing, there is also the feats. A dying Isshiki treated Hokage Naruto and adult Sasuke with years of Rinnegan experience like fodders and required Baryon to briefly overcome it. Naruto and Sasuke gave Kaguya a fight, sure, she was superior but we didn't saw the utter dominance of Isshiki. In fact there were times where she was overwhelmed, like when rage Naruto cut off her arm or DMS Kakashi speedblitzing her and using kamui raikiri on her. And this is dying Isshiki, Prime Isshiki should be way stronger and as such also way stronger than Kaguya.
 

WinNo1929

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The rank is only one thing, there is also the feats. A dying Isshiki treated Hokage Naruto and adult Sasuke with years of Rinnegan experience like fodders and required Baryon to briefly overcome it. Naruto and Sasuke gave Kaguya a fight, sure, she was superior but we didn't saw the utter dominance of Isshiki. In fact there were times where she was overwhelmed, like when rage Naruto cut off her arm or DMS Kakashi speedblitzing her and using kamui raikiri on her. And this is dying Isshiki, Prime Isshiki should be way stronger and as such also way stronger than Kaguya.
Solo'd lol :dotell
 

TraderJoe

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The rank is only one thing, there is also the feats. A dying Isshiki treated Hokage Naruto and adult Sasuke with years of Rinnegan experience like fodders and required Baryon to briefly overcome it. Naruto and Sasuke gave Kaguya a fight, sure, she was superior but we didn't saw the utter dominance of Isshiki. In fact there were times where she was overwhelmed, like when rage Naruto cut off her arm or DMS Kakashi speedblitzing her and using kamui raikiri on her. And this is dying Isshiki, Prime Isshiki should be way stronger and as such also way stronger than Kaguya.
Kaguya had ample opportunities to kill stronger versions of the fate bros. The only win condition for Naruto and Sasuke was simply to touch her, nothing else. And even that took Kakashi rising to God-levels to even achieve that.

 

MYGod000

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Sasuke wasn’t allowed to use Ameno offensively after the initial exchanges with Madara. They were the debut exchanges, we needed to see how it worked, but after that it got nerfed like most Dojutsu, otherwise Sasuke would be removing Naruto from his avatar into a PS blade or Kaguya into her own Ash Bone, it couldn’t be allowed.

Sasuke doesn't even use his Ameno as an Adult in a similar fashion as he did was a Teen.

After throwing his sword he was able to move it into Madara during his fight and move madara to his Position without needing to switch positions with other objects.


Boruto writer just followed the rules Kishi made for it, that move against Jigen is about the softest use of Ameno Sasuke could possibly make on anyone, outside of moving behind someone to shoot a weaker than BoS fireball that a child could meatshield (vs Shin). Didn’t move the guy into his own scalpels either, instead chose to use his back on them instead, so Sasuke wasn’t even allowed to use it offensively on a filler villain.

I agree if this was Teen Sasuke i see no reason why he wouldn't be able to move Jigen into his sword like he did Madara.
Sasuke might be the most nerfed MC of any shonen comic, this would be the equivalent of taking Vegeta back several arcs at any point in that series, Sasuke seriously fights like a mentally challenged elderly man.
he is weaker then before people don't want to accept that.

He is nerfed the Author said they had to down scale him and Naruto so everyone could shine otherwise it would be a repeat of the last series.
 

Orochibuto

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Kaguya had ample opportunities to kill stronger versions of the fate bros. The only win condition for Naruto and Sasuke was simply to touch her, nothing else. And even that took Kakashi rising to God-levels to even achieve that.


The same can be said from Isshiki he could had killed them if he really cared to do it, yes Kakashi needed to be amped to Naruto and Sasuke levels to do it. The difference is that they could harm Kaguya, not only touch her. Naruto while enraged ripped off her arm. Naruto punched her and sent her back:


They were lower but still relative to her. Unlike Isshiki who treated Naruto and Sasuke like complete garbage until Naruto used Baryon. In fact the fact that Kurama sugested Baryon but never did with Kaguya (whose victory would mean the death of Kurama too as he would be absorbed within her) shows how desperate and much of a greater threat Isshiki was compared to her. If Naruto had punched Isshiki he would just be like "Huh?" and stand there without moving, unlike Kaguya who was sent flying backward.
 

TraderJoe

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The same can be said from Isshiki he could had killed them if he really cared to do it, yes Kakashi needed to be amped to Naruto and Sasuke levels to do it. The difference is that they could harm Kaguya, not only touch her. Naruto while enraged ripped off her arm. Naruto punched her and sent her back:


They were lower but still relative to her. Unlike Isshiki who treated Naruto and Sasuke like complete garbage until Naruto used Baryon. In fact the fact that Kurama sugested Baryon but never did with Kaguya (whose victory would mean the death of Kurama too as he would be absorbed within her) shows how desperate and much of a greater threat Isshiki was compared to her. If Naruto had punched Isshiki he would just be like "Huh?" and stand there without moving, unlike Kaguya who was sent flying backward.
The point still stands. Isshiki is quite a bit above weaker versions of the Fatebros. Pre-fruit Kaguya negged Isshiki who is massively weaker than post-fruit Kaguya.
 

MYGod000

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The same can be said from Isshiki he could had killed them if he really cared to do it, yes Kakashi needed to be amped to Naruto and Sasuke levels to do it. The difference is that they could harm Kaguya, not only touch her. Naruto while enraged ripped off her arm. Naruto punched her and sent her back:


They were lower but still relative to her. Unlike Isshiki who treated Naruto and Sasuke like complete garbage until Naruto used Baryon. In fact the fact that Kurama sugested Baryon but never did with Kaguya (whose victory would mean the death of Kurama too as he would be absorbed within her) shows how desperate and much of a greater threat Isshiki was compared to her. If Naruto had punched Isshiki he would just be like "Huh?" and stand there without moving, unlike Kaguya who was sent flying backward.

Are you arguing they can't Hurt Isshiki? If so can you prove that since Isshiki was dodging them so clearly he could get injured by them.
 

xingi

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If Naruto had punched Isshiki he would just be like "Huh?" and stand there without moving, unlike Kaguya who was sent flying backward.
Agree overall but in this point Naruto would definitely move him a little (kinda just how Boruto works lol) but yea it probably won't do too much in terms of damageif isshiki could still eat baryon punches without much physical damage
 

Orochibuto

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Are you arguing they can't Hurt Isshiki? If so can you prove that since Isshiki was dodging them so clearly he could get injured by them.

Baryon Mode Naruto who was 100% bloodlusted, with killing intent and put EVERYTHING into his taijutsu didn't physically damaged Isshiki that much. Rikudou Senjutsu Naruto punch wouldn't even phase him. And the fact he could dodge everything proves he is superior to Kaguya, Kaguya was defenseless against an enraged Naruto and ripped off her arm.

The point still stands. Isshiki is quite a bit above weaker versions of the Fatebros. Pre-fruit Kaguya negged Isshiki who is massively weaker than post-fruit Kaguya.

Why do you claim adult Fatebros are weaker? You could make that claim with Naruto as we never saw him use the Rikudou Senjutsu mode in Boruto, but Sasuke has the same power he had when he fought Kaguya, the Rinnegan and has years of fine tuning it. And Kaguya was explicitly stated to defeat Isshiki with a sneak attack, as an author if you want to establish portrayal of a character you don't make the stronger character need to use sneak attacks to take him down by the stronger character.
 
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TraderJoe

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Why do you claim adult Fatebros are weaker? You could make that claim with Naruto as we never saw him use the Rikudou Senjutsu mode in Boruto, but Sasuke has the same power he had when he fought Kaguya, the Rinnegan and has years of fine tuning it.
Naruto lost a sleuth of abilities. Specially base SPSM which was gifted by Hagoromo. This included abilities like flight, TSO… etc. Naruto can only access SPSM via the Bijuu as stated in Shikaramu Shinden. Whenever we see Naruto access SM in base, it’s only Toad SM. And when he molds the Bijuu chakra he only has small amounts of other Bijuu chakra. So when Naruto lost the seals he got quite a bit weaker. We can see this with his feats against Shin or needing Kawaki to save Hima. Sasuke, similar lost six paths powers he received but kept his Rinnegan.

And Kaguya was explicitly stated to defeat Isshiki with a sneak attack, as an author if you want to establish portrayal of a character you don't make the stronger character need to use sneak attacks to take him down by the stronger character.
Actually we are told that Isshiki was “caught off guard”, not that there was a sneak attack. We don’t know what happened. Caught off guard could mean that he was surprised at her betrayal. The fact that a far weaker version of Kaguya who wasn’t immortal and didn’t have the Rinne-Sharingan could leave Isshiki dead to rights is telling. There’s very little chance he would have against the Kaguya we saw.
 

ARGUS

The conqueror
Sasuke wasn’t allowed to use Ameno offensively after the initial exchanges with Madara. They were the debut exchanges, we needed to see how it worked, but after that it got nerfed like most Dojutsu, otherwise Sasuke would be removing Naruto from his avatar into a PS blade or Kaguya into her own Ash Bone, it couldn’t be allowed.

Boruto writer just followed the rules Kishi made for it, that move against Jigen is about the softest use of Ameno Sasuke could possibly make on anyone, outside of moving behind someone to shoot a weaker than BoS fireball that a child could meatshield (vs Shin). Didn’t move the guy into his own scalpels either, instead chose to use his back on them instead, so Sasuke wasn’t even allowed to use it offensively on a filler villain.

Sasuke might be the most nerfed MC of any shonen comic, this would be the equivalent of taking Vegeta back several arcs at any point in that series, Sasuke seriously fights like a mentally challenged elderly man.
lets also not forget how sasuke could still track the rods but couldnt form a defense in time to prevent himself from getting pierced

if he can still track them to an extent, he could just switch himself with isshiki in that time span and that would result in the rods piercing isshiki instead.
this could practically work with any projectile

this isnt the only jutsu which is nerfed/ignored though

look at BT, it is literal telekinesis which is so focused that deva could remove a nail from a log.
with that precision, he ccould yank the eyes off his opponent or behead them through that force but that would be beyond overpowered
 

MYGod000

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Baryon Mode Naruto who was 100% bloodlusted, with killing intent and put EVERYTHING into his taijutsu didn't physically damaged Isshiki that much. Rikudou Senjutsu Naruto punch wouldn't even phase him. And the fact he could dodge everything proves he is superior to Kaguya, Kaguya was defenseless against an enraged Kaguya and ripped off her arm.
The difference here Is Adult Naruto is weaker than Teen Naruto post meeting Hagoromo.
I do have full power Adult Naruto more powerful BSM Naruto from the war.


However, Post Hagoromo Sun Seal Naruto is stronger than Adult Naruto. Able to create and Swing multiple BRS at once. Have not seen that from Adult Naruto

Teen Naruto was able to Gather massive amounts of Nature chakra to boost him on BPS Sasuke level this didn't take him long to do either. Haven't seen Adult Naruto do this and That would have been very useful for him against Jigen.

Why do you believe Baryon Mode would have made any difference against Kaguya an immortal? Let me just educate you a bit Baryon Mode was so effective against Isshiki because he was dying he only had 2-3 days of life and then he dies. when He started fighting Naruto and Sasuke, Isshiki only had 21 hours left on his clock.


It basically would be useless against Kaguya who wasn't dying and could easily just drop Naruto into another dimension like Ice Dimension and freeze him in place. BTW KAguya almost killed Isshiki by the way who wasn't dying either.


Yeah...congratulations Naruto ripped off the hand of an immortal being who can regenerate another one. also that Kaguya was Established as being Weakened from all the Dimension hopping.


You haven't proved Isshiki can no sell a punch from Naruto and Sasuke pre-Baryon Mode. all you did was said:

If Naruto had punched Isshiki he would just be like "Huh?" and stand there without moving, unlike Kaguya who was sent flying backward.
^Which is what you personally believe so it means nothing in this debate what you think Isshiki would do in a What if scenerio that never happened because he was dodging. If he had did that Then we wouldn't be having this Discussion at all about what he would do if Naruto hit him and he just stood their and took the punch.
 

DaVizWiz

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lets also not forget how sasuke could still track the rods but couldnt form a defense in time to prevent himself from getting pierced

if he can still track them to an extent, he could just switch himself with isshiki in that time span and that would result in the rods piercing isshiki instead.
this could practically work with any projectile

this isnt the only jutsu which is nerfed/ignored though

look at BT, it is literal telekinesis which is so focused that deva could remove a nail from a log.
with that precision, he ccould yank the eyes off his opponent or behead them through that force but that would be beyond overpowered
I’ve mentioned BT before, but there’s no way they were going to let Sasuke throw people into enton spikes, or guide his Chidori Katana around while teleporting someone into it, or just repeatedly slamming people into craters leaving them looking like troll dolls.

He lost Kirin, he lost Sharingan Genjutsu, he lost Rinnegan Genjutsu, he lost offensive Ameno, he lost Enton, he lost CT, he lost Preta, he never got BT, he never got ST, he never got shared vision, he never got chakra disruption rods that his own opponent was shooting at him.

He was left with supplemental Ameno, Itachi scale Amaterasu, the smallest fireball of his life, Chidori and PS.

For someone with Sasuke’s potential as a fighter, the kind of action you could’ve constructed with his move set would’ve been all-time entertaining, it was a major failure by the authors to drop this arsenal just to progress a franchise with an idiot clone of Kid Naruto with a recycled Curse Seal concept as his power.
 
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ARGUS

The conqueror
I’ve mentioned BT before, but there’s no way they were going to let Sasuke throw people into enton spikes,
The anime did have enton honoikazuchi as a jutsu where he uses BT to reel narutos clones in enton spikes
or guide his Chidori Katana around while teleporting someone into it, or just repeatedly slamming people into craters leaving them looking like troll dolls.
Agreed, although he did teleport a sword through jin madara as offensive ameno
He lost Kirin, he lost Sharingan Genjutsu, he lost Rinnegan Genjutsu, he lost offensive Ameno, he lost Enton, he lost CT, he lost Preta, he never got BT, he never got ST, he never got shared vision, he never got chakra disruption rods that his own opponent was shooting at him.

He was left with supplemental Ameno, Itachi scale Amaterasu, the smallest fireball of his life, Chidori and PS.

For someone with Sasuke’s potential as a fighter, the kind of action you could’ve constructed with his move set would’ve been all-time entertaining, it was a major failure by the authors to drop this arsenal just to progress a franchise with an idiot clone of Kid Naruto with a recycled Curse Seal concept as his power.
I agree with this, all to make a shittier version of naruto with the same CS concept stand out

but that thing aside,
how do you think adult sasuke compares to his VOTE self?

Under every metric, BPS is leaps and bounds above anything adult sasuke has displayed.
BPS > Adult Naruto and Sasukes Iso that they used against momo
 

Boruto

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I’ve mentioned BT before, but there’s no way they were going to let Sasuke throw people into enton spikes, or guide his Chidori Katana around while teleporting someone into it, or just repeatedly slamming people into craters leaving them looking like troll dolls.

He lost Kirin, he lost Sharingan Genjutsu, he lost Rinnegan Genjutsu, he lost offensive Ameno, he lost Enton, he lost CT, he lost Preta, he never got BT, he never got ST, he never got shared vision, he never got chakra disruption rods that his own opponent was shooting at him.

He was left with supplemental Ameno, Itachi scale Amaterasu, the smallest fireball of his life, Chidori and PS.

For someone with Sasuke’s potential as a fighter, the kind of action you could’ve constructed with his move set would’ve been all-time entertaining, it was a major failure by the authors to drop this arsenal just to progress a franchise with an idiot clone of Kid Naruto with a recycled Curse Seal concept as his power.
You mean, you think the franchise couldn’t have progressed without Sasuke “losing” those abilities? Gotta disagree there.
Kirin is irrelevant at Sasuke’s level, there’s a reason it didn’t appear in the final arc outside of anime filler. A casual slash from Madara’s PS already far eclipsed it. :catshrug
He “lost” genjutsu like he lost it against Madara, Kaguya and Naruto.
Enton not being used is a fair complaint for the Jigen fight, might’ve just given Isshiki another tool during the Isshiki fight. The Amaterasu being “Itachi scale” is irrelevant when it hit its target and confirmed Sasuke’s suspicion about Borushiki the two times that it was used, spamming more of it wouldn’t have achieved anything.
Preta could have made an appearance, but the necessity to use it at close range for a while to seal the deal means it would leave Sasuke open to getting rods in his face with a glance if Isshiki wasn’t nerfed by PIS.
There’s no way BT would allow Sasuke to throw any relevant villain around like a ragdoll. Isshiki could escape it by using his space-time jutsu and disrupt Sasuke with Daikokuten and Sukunahikona.
He could have gotten black rods, but they wouldn’t have done anything, much like the other things he tried. They wouldn’t be on Isshiki’s level of speed or microscopic.
ST and CT would have been actually good additions due to being effective against Sukunahikona, but nothing that would have prevented the story from progressing as it did. Isshiki could escape being sealed by CT with his space-time jutsu or could break out.
Adult Sasuke’s moveset is definitely disappointing given his teen moveset and the years of time he’s had to refine it, but the number of his viable options in the fights in Boruto are exaggerated. He was outclassed.
 

Altiora Night

Gwynbleidd
As far as we know, Tendō abilities like Banshō Ten'in & Shinra Tensei are still subject to a 5-second cooldown, unless there's proof (i.e., a statement) to the contrary.

A 5-second cooldown didn't matter much when fighting jōnin to kage level fighters.

Beyond that however, opponents get faster and faster.

Consequently, the 5-second cooldown renders the abilities less reliable against those faster opponents.

Moreover, Tendō looked cool & all when used against jōnin & kage level fighters because they lacked the necessary tools (abilities) to combat them. These abilities were king of a small world at the time, and as time went by — with more and more impressive abilities being introduced — Tendō now looks less impressive.

And in Sasuke's case, they aren't nearly as important and powerful as Amenotejikara & Susanoo.

:oldshrug
 

DaVizWiz

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The anime did have enton honoikazuchi as a jutsu where he uses BT to reel narutos clones in enton spikes

Agreed, although he did teleport a sword through jin madara as offensive ameno

I agree with this, all to make a shittier version of naruto with the same CS concept stand out

but that thing aside,
how do you think adult sasuke compares to his VOTE self?

Under every metric, BPS is leaps and bounds above anything adult sasuke has displayed.
BPS > Adult Naruto and Sasukes Iso that they used against momo
He’s much worse obviously, even discounting the nerf of his arsenal - his tactics (once a clever fighter often with the advantage) and stamina (out of chakra literally within panels - where as before fresh as a daisy after Kaguya fight to the point of constructing a BPS with an off hand reverse COAT) took a ridiculous plummet

Kurama’s comparison to Hagoromo couldn’t be further off at this point
 

DaVizWiz

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As far as we know, Tendō abilities like Banshō Ten'in & Shinra Tensei are still subject to a 5-second cooldown, unless there's proof (i.e., a statement) to the contrary.

A 5-second cooldown didn't matter much when fighting jōnin to kage level fighters.

Beyond that however, opponents get faster and faster.

Consequently, the 5-second cooldown renders the abilities less reliable against those faster opponents.

Moreover, Tendō looked cool & all when used against jōnin & kage level fighters because they lacked the necessary tools (abilities) to combat them. These abilities were king of a small world at the time, and as time went by — with more and more impressive abilities being introduced — Tendō now looks less impressive.

And in Sasuke's case, they aren't nearly as important and powerful as Amenotejikara & Susanoo.

:oldshrug
BT & ST would upscale just as the avatars did

Deva’s CST was village scale through a diluted Pain body, and CT tore apart mountain ranges through that same fatigued path

Kamui upscaled exponentially with only a small percentage of Rikudo Chakra, as did Obito’s MS Susano (up to PS level), there’s no telling how much higher the village scale Tendo would go with Sasuke’s significantly higher Rikudo buff
 
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Altiora Night

Gwynbleidd
BT & ST would upscale just as the avatars did

Deva’s CST was village scale through a diluted Pain body, and CT tore apart mountain ranges through that same fatigued path

Kamui upscaled exponentially with only a small percentage of Rikudo Chakra, as did Obito’s MS Susano (up to PS level), there’s no telling how much higher the village scale Tendo would go with Sasuke’s significantly higher Rikudo buff
Still weaker than the avatars whether they upscale or not.

Madara as an Edo Tensei, possessing the Rinnegan's Rikudō no Jutsu, exclaimed that the Kanseitai — Susanoo was his full power.

And when he was revived, he used Limbo Hengoku (something he couldn't use as an Edo Tensei) right after he had exclaimed that once he demonstrates the Rinnegan's true powers, a sophisticated battle would take place. No Tendō abilities were used right after he said that.

In other words, Tendō ranks below Limbo & Susanoo by narrative/portrayal.

Plus, being upscaled doesn't necessarily solve the 5-second cooldown unless stated otherwise.
 

DaVizWiz

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Still weaker than the avatars whether they upscale or not.

Madara as an Edo Tensei, possessing the Rinnegan's Rikudō no Jutsu, exclaimed that the Kanseitai — Susanoo was his full power.

And when he was revived, he used Limbo Hengoku (something he couldn't use as an Edo Tensei) right after he had exclaimed that once he demonstrates the Rinnegan's true powers, a sophisticated battle would take place. No Tendō abilities were used right after he said that.

In other words, Tendō ranks below Limbo & Susanoo by narrative/portrayal.

Plus, being upscaled doesn't necessarily solve the 5-second cooldown unless stated otherwise.
CT was already on a far higher scale than Madara’s PS, but given PS’ defense yes it would be the best option for Madara

With that being said when your Susano is butter to your opponents hot knife leg (Jigen) the notion that it is Sasuke’s best option at all times is an absurd one, it provided virtually no advantage for him

BT, CST & CT would’ve been better options for Sasuke was who getting his avatar one shotted by Kaguya and Jigen

In a direct comparison RSM Naruto’s TKB (Kage Bunshin) had a far more relevant impact on Kaguya than Sasuke’s one shotted PS ever did, imagine that
 

Boruto

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@Altiora Night

Regarding adult Sasuke’s chakra, I think this post of yours summed it up well. Sasuke reaching his limits in the day that he fought Jigen, then Isshiki, then Borushiki, is reasonable, since it’s questionable if he fully recovered after Jigen’s beating.



With that being said when your Susano is butter to your opponents hot knife leg (Jigen) the notion that it is Sasuke’s best option at all times is an absurd one, it provided virtually no advantage for him


BT, CST & CT would’ve been better options for Sasuke was who getting his avatar one shotted by Kaguya and Jigen

In a direct comparison RSM Naruto’s TKB (Kage Bunshin) had a far more relevant impact on Kaguya than Sasuke’s one shotted PS ever did, imagine
True, but they didn’t know that their avatars would get trashed that easily after Jigen grew his horn. Probably why they didn’t bother using them against Isshiki.
 
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