[First Battle]Redux-Shika boo's Four man team VS Reds Four man team.
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Cthulhu-versailles
The Luckiest Man in Agrabah
Alright, this post is going to be somewhat half-assed because I am just writing what comes to mind and because I just got back from some rl awesomeness. Anyway, I am not really sure what is required in terms of strategy or prep, but I don't believe my character need to much.
Battle plan---
Anderson would begin by throwing as many bayonettes into the air as possible and essentially lacing the sky with them. After that we'll see what he does.
Claire isn't complicated either. That being said, I am not sure the video I posted is to good of a reference. I am not sure if you're aware, but in the Anime Claire fights while 'fully awakened' against Priscilla, and is essentially higher in power/durability while retaining her speed with seeming hover abilites. With that said, Claire is essentially going to be charging whomeever is closet by and trying to cut them to piece.
Moving on, my ace in the hole for this battle is my Mace Windu and Lucy Combo. As you've seen Lucy has invisible extending arms with two meters reach; whereas Mace Windu has telekenesis amongst other abilties. What I planned to do with these two is for Lucy to go on Mace as though she were getting a piggy back. The point of this tactic is to compensate for her lesser movement speed, and maximize Mace's Precog and abilities to prtoect while attacking. Essentially, Windu will use his telekenesis to get all the non-animate objects out of your characters hands, or at the very least redirect the aim while attempting to lightsaber them. On the other hand, Lucy will use her hands to compensate for openings left by Mace and or attack and defned. I think it's a vicious combo.
Battle plan---
Anderson would begin by throwing as many bayonettes into the air as possible and essentially lacing the sky with them. After that we'll see what he does.
Claire isn't complicated either. That being said, I am not sure the video I posted is to good of a reference. I am not sure if you're aware, but in the Anime Claire fights while 'fully awakened' against Priscilla, and is essentially higher in power/durability while retaining her speed with seeming hover abilites. With that said, Claire is essentially going to be charging whomeever is closet by and trying to cut them to piece.
Moving on, my ace in the hole for this battle is my Mace Windu and Lucy Combo. As you've seen Lucy has invisible extending arms with two meters reach; whereas Mace Windu has telekenesis amongst other abilties. What I planned to do with these two is for Lucy to go on Mace as though she were getting a piggy back. The point of this tactic is to compensate for her lesser movement speed, and maximize Mace's Precog and abilities to prtoect while attacking. Essentially, Windu will use his telekenesis to get all the non-animate objects out of your characters hands, or at the very least redirect the aim while attempting to lightsaber them. On the other hand, Lucy will use her hands to compensate for openings left by Mace and or attack and defned. I think it's a vicious combo.
Red
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Was getting a bit worried that you won't show up. Heres my counter attack:
When you say windu uses his TK to get all inanimate objects away from my teams hand do you mean their weapons? If so I'm pretty sure that all my teammates can hold onto them and the highest thing that would occur is that they'll be thrown with weapon in hand.
Maria would deal with Anderson as you know current maria can do her "Phantom" move without using her energy and that would be enough to overcome any defensive Anderson may have:
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He won't know which to attack and even when he does attack chances are it's a mirage.
Kanoe zouichi will take Clair on, I don't know much about anime Clair but I'm suitably sure that zouichi would be able to take her out. He has emptied a room full of soldiers before they even realized they're dead:
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He also has the durability to take whatever attacks Clair may land on him:
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As for your Mace/Lucy combo I'll let Dhomo and sanakan take them. Both sanakan and dhomo can see vectors because of their ocular implants and because of Mace's light saber they won't engage in close combat, sanakan would let off a few shots from her GBE at Mace, while Dhomo would target Lucy. Mace can't block sanakan's gun fire so the only option left would be to dodge. Dhomo would target Lucy would energy based attacks. Lucy/Windu won't be able to close the gap so it'll just be a matter of time before they tire and one hit lands.
Cthulhu-versailles
The Luckiest Man in Agrabah
Couldn't get on until I did.-sorry-
Yes that was preciously what I meant.
Now then, how exactly can your team simply hold onto their weapons given Mace Windu stats/feats/abilities ?
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Windu shows he can blow away thousands of droids with his tk. 49 second point or so. Windualso shows he can bring his light saber back to himself and that he can fire off controlled tk blast.
In this video Windu shows he can crush General Grievous chest armor platting, which once again shows his level of control. Link removed
with the above in mind, what prevents Windu from forcing a finger or two of their grip loose and then taking their weapons ? Really, your characters aren't strong enough to hold onto what they have. Maria especially isn't strong enough by a long shot.
Maria won't have her sword with her by this point and her physical attacks will be effortlessly tanked by Anderson thx to his regen. Also, a possible way to deal with Maria is that Anderson simply spams Bayonettes at all of them without caring which is real.
Anime Clair is a whole other beast, and in fact Claymore is powered-up in general. Here is Claire Vs Priscilla.
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As for Zouichi, his speed and durability isn't impressive in relation to Anime Claire. Truth be told, the video speaks for itself in terms of her speed, but if you want me to note specific seconds in the video I will do so. The same thing goes for her raw strength and cutting power.
So now I wonder exactly what feats of Zouchi indicate he can resist Anime Claire level of attacks.
Your characters are already weaponless, but lets say they do manage to hold onto their weapons somehow. Mace Windu still has precog since he is a jedi, and in the video posted he shows he can jump great heights and distances, as well as and move pretty quick. To make matters worse, Lucy's arms are powerful enough to block high powered Rifle fire. I am loking for the video. result of above= Mace dodges the GBE shots and jumps a good distances from the explosions he would have anticipated, which Lucy blocks partially.
What energy atacks does Dhomo have again ?
Red
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I would concede Maria, but Zouichi has been shown to tank TK attacks without letting go of his weapons
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So his case is pretty closed. Both Sanakan and Dhomo have held unto the GBEs when firing and you know the recoil of a GBEs is enough to rip a person's arm off.
As for Maria she lets go of her weapon and then what? She can just retrieve it while dhomo and sanakan are attacking Mace and Lucy. I'm not sure about anime Anderson, but Manga Anderson can't spam unlimited bayonets, highest I've seen him use is between two and ten (What he used to butcher Alucard during their first meeting) and that isn't nearly enough to over come Maria who can simple dodge them.
Zouichi can shoot down Land attack missiles and can take down Fighter jets that are tailing him:
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He has a fast enough reflexes to take down Clair. Also the guns of synthetic humans made by toha are really quite powerful:
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I'm pretty sure they'd be able to greatly injure Clair if not outright kill her. As for Zouichi's durability, he has taken a grenade launcher to the head, fallen of a several story building and took an explosion that threatened to collapse a sky scraper(same building he fell from) and he was only knocked out for a minute and 11 seconds
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He's also taken chain saws to the arm with no problems at all. I think he's durable enough as it is.
Mace would still have precog, but without a light saber how would he fight? Dhomo can simply tell Iko to disable it just like he did for Killy's GBE, granted it was only for a second for killy but in this case Mace's light saber is a lot weaker than a GBE and can still be short circuited.
Sankan too has the same safe guard programming that Dhomo has that enables her to predict Mace movement so they'll probably cancel each other out and even out the playing field, except that while sankan has her gun, mace's light saber would be disabled and he'll have to rely on TK and jumping alone. Sooner or later he'll tire out.
Dhomo too has a certain level of precog and can anticipate Lucy's vectors and from what I know of them she hasn't shown the power to block energy attacks with them. Heres dhomo's enrgy attack:
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so unlike the machine gun fire I'm pretty sure it'll land.
Cthulhu-versailles
The Luckiest Man in Agrabah
I am not disputing that they have held onto their weapon against direct tk blast, and that is of little relevance to Windu's initial attack. Specifically, your characters simply don't have the gripping power to hold onto their weapons if Windu targets their hands directly to loosen their grip. The earlier video featuring Windu crushing General Grievous cheset plating was to show the level of direct force he can apply to direct locations. Also,him bring the light saber back shows he can localize his tk.
Mace Windu could chuck the weapon a couple thousand feet away and if she goes to retrieve it she lessens the numbers on here team. Manga Anderson can actually spam alot more then ten, and did so in his fight against Alucard with what were literally explosive results. Anime Anderson maybe spammed ten like you said in his fight against Alucard, although he can keep spamming even if there is lag time. With this in mind my question is Maria dodges and does what exactly ? She can't hurt Anderson at all, and he can teleport with his papers or try to mix in a tactic or to to get her.
I know of Zoichi reflexes and that he even bullet-timed earlier in the manga. However, you capped the speed at sound speed and thus I assumed Zoichi reflexes got capped as well. Either that or his reflexes were only sound speed to begin with. In either case, Anime Claire is just as fast in reflexes, except Claire has all around better speed to dodge his aim.
In the Priscilla vs Claire fight Claire blocks and swats away an attack similar greater then the level of destructions Ichigo caused from his first Genshou Tenshou against Urahara, did you not see it ? That feat alone shows claire can take the level of damage posted above. Although the properties of the attack of Gbe are what she cannot deal with. I'm asking because I don't remeber, but in blame they can stil go threw anything, right ?
Claire simple movement in awakened form are enough to collapse a house; the Rigald scene from the manga when she awakens her legs is roughly the same. Claure's cutting power and strength are also constantly shown in the video I posted. In addition, I will also try to find the anime only part where, since it's important to strength display, where I believe it is Rigald, jumps of a cliff thousands of feet to get to the battle ground like it's nothing. Thousands of feet! [/B]
edit: I found it. It's within the first minute.
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With the above= I know Zoichi durability is very-very high, but he will not simply tank Claire attacks and over the long run would get taken down by her cutting power and strength.
How is the lightsaber much weaker than the GBE ? Do you mean it's circatry ?
Windu has full fledge precognitions and has used it effectively to beat others with the same thing.
Secondly, even without a lightsaber Windu has Lucy on his back with something just as good, her vectors. Vectors can go through solid objects without damaging them only to grasp at specific points to slaughter them. I.E. Lucy was holding Nana blood vessel in her brain.
Lucy doesn;t need to necessarily try to block the energy attacks.
If it's matter of precog cancelling precog then the fact Mace Windu is the most agile character in this fight, is moving at high speeds aided by Tk at every turn, and that Lucy can freely control the directions of her hands make me believe that I am dodging your attacks. I mean, did you see how high Windu was jumping and how far ?
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Question: I know Sakan can redirect Gbe, or I am thinking of someone else ? Anyway, can all the Blame/ Biogema chars do something similar. I would assume Zoichi can't, but I am not update with Biomega.
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Red
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And sanakan has been shown to grip unto with ease a weapon that rips people's hand off on the strongest shot. Dhomo has accomplished the same with his body cut in half, hell sankan had her legs missing and was able to fire the GBE without loosing grip. Zouichi has held unto a weapon whos recoil you can see from space:
and it clearly showed.
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and it clearly showed.
Unless those three I mentioned hadnt over their weapons to Mace, I don't see who he's going to pry it off with the force.
Well it's good thing that Zouichi has a spare baton/sword he can lend her while Sanakan and Dhomo pre occupy mace. And Maria would spam her images and take his head and or limbs off with one strike. Anderson couldn't regen his arm when it was torn off, so he's only limited to healing puncture wounds.
Nope not capped. A hand gun shot is just under the speed of sound by 40-60 m/s and the planes that he shot down where moving at his speed which was 745 km/h which translates to 200 or so m/s. Air to ground missiles border on sub sonic so he satisfies the speed limit rule. Clare on the other hand has no quantifiable feats except "Looks fast" and you've yet to give a compelling argument as to how she'll out maneuver him. Also Zouichi can tank her attacks (See above explaination as to why) and can just sit it out until she tires and he shoots her.
That one bullet knocked down a mecha weighing several thousands of tons down through various buildings. Thats more physical strength that Ichigo or clare's attack has shown.
Her cutting power is limited to rock and it isnt that impressive. Only strength feat I can see from the video is her lifting a boulder over her head. As for regald, I'm not seeing him in the video, but if what're saying is true then he's above the tourney's limit and by extension so is Clare. (also If you think she's not, then we can have a mod or a neutral third party decide so you won't have to worry about my bias
)The GBE collapses dark energy and dark matter to form gravitons in an instant , thats a really really complex gun if Iko can disable that fast then he can disable a light saber which is essentially power generator, lens and crystal.
When jedi and sith fight they cloud each other's precog so it isn't that windu had a better precog it's more like he can fight better without it.
Sanakan has taken a brain blast a couple times, once when she had an entire round of high powered automatic bolts empty into her head and another when she got her brain emptied by a sniper. some random blood vessels are not keeping her down. With two people spamming energy attacks that Vectors can't block, and they also have precog, and they're also tireless. one shot would have to land on a weaponless mace who's only optoin now is to doge and hope lucy catcher her target.
Yup was sankan, but I don't think she can block Lucy's vectors in the same way.
Cthulhu-versailles
The Luckiest Man in Agrabah
The GBE doesn't pass on the full recoil to the user. It draws power from the user at times, but mainly just fires condensed energy blast that go through anything. The fact a mere sky scrapper explosion knocked Zoichi out dictates the recoil of his gun is not transferring fully to him. So basically, the fact the gun's recoil was seen from space doesn't matter. Zoichi cannot take continent busting/etc innane amounts of damage. The sky scrapper explosion made his limits clear. In fact, since he had to manever like hell not to take it fully it's even more clear.
As for Windu and his Tk, your characters would need to have massive raw strength in each finger, which thereby dictates their arm strength is even higher. Hence, their full strength would utterly break the limit of the tourney not to have their fingers pried off.
Mace takes away the weapon again.
Maria cannot hold onto her sword, you admitted this yourself. So how exactly is she tearing off Anderson's head or limbs ? Anderson exchanged blows with Alucard in a fist fight and just had a bloody lip!
Video is only a minute long
DO THE IMPOSSIBLE!
The above explanations fails to prove anything. Your own scans dictate the maximumal level of tank Zoichi has. Claire hasn't busted a "skyscraper", obviously, but she has blocked and by extension can exert as much force as Priscilla showed. The same for Rigald.
As for her speed, looks like I need to prove it somehow, huh.....
Yes.
Her cutting power is limited to rock and it isnt that impressive. Only strength feat I can see from the video is her lifting a boulder over her head. As for regald, I'm not seeing him in the video, but if what're saying is true then he's above the tourney's limit and by extension so is Clare. (also If you think she's not, then we can have a mod or a neutral third party decide so you won't have to worry about my bias
if you cut threw enough rock it's better then cutting threw steel. Prsicilla laid waste to a good 100 hundred feet of rock. I edited to show Rigald in a video.
I wasn't aware of the mecanism of lightsabers, since I am not a Star wars fan at all. Hence, I asked. Sucks for Windu---
Ic.
Now this is just outright dismissal of what Lucy can do.
Lucy can very literally ignore solid matter, pass her vectors threw it and solidify them after words to tear apart or affecta brain from the inside.
DO THE IMPOSSIBLE!
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Also in the Nana fight it's made clear with dialogue Vectors can hold onto minisicule parts insides bodies. So it isn't just a matter of just popping blood vessel. Lucy can literally tear out a brain, or touch whatever is needed anywhere on her body.
Who knows.
Red
Keep Cool, Carry On.
Let us assume that non of my characters can hold unto there weapons. But then as it turns out Zouichi reveals his synthetic human right arm cannon just like miznoue did:
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and it's attack is far greater than his original gun.
Sankan goes battle mode with her left arm turning into a GBE. And Dhomo just says fuck it and starts spamming his energy attacks with his head. Really without there weapons they're still just deadly, save for maria.
Would mace really afford a second to spare when he's being tag teamed by a set of precognitive robots who have a high pain tolerance and can spam energy attacks that he has nothing else to do but dodge? I think Mace is awesome but not THAT awesome.Mace takes away the weapon again.
Maria cannot hold onto her sword, you admitted this yourself. So how exactly is she tearing off Anderson's head or limbs ? Anderson exchanged blows with Alucard in a fist fight and just had a bloody lip!
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As for anderson fighting alucard blow for blow and only coming out with a bleeding lip is not really a feat. Alucard's punches aren't that strong (I know I made a respect thread and couldn't find any strength feats to add, you can check it out in the respect dome too) hell Anderson hasn't showed that many durability feats so theres really nothing to prove that Maria can't lope off his head with the right attack.
My scan does not dictate a maximum level, a maximum level would be something that'd will kill him entirely, not knock him out for a couple seconds at most. And it's not like Zouichi would let Clair have some freebies too, he'll actively attack and defend, so while he's a synthetic human and has great limits of stamina Clair does not. If worse comes to worse it would turn out to be waiting game to see who tires first and I'm confident that it's not going to be zouichi.
As for her speed, looks like I need to prove it somehow, huh.....
Um depends on the type of rock, now since I don't know which minerals make up the bed rock she cut and theres no average to use I can't be sure. But unless the bedrock is made from Iron ferrite then it's not going to be as hard as steel.
I don't think Lucy would land a solid hit on both them, but if she does they can survive having their bodies torn apart, I think I posted a scan of dhomo and sanankan rip in half but still fighting, heres another scan of sankan getting up from a brutal wound[bloody]:
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So they'll just keep fighting on.
Not going to lie to you, I don't think vectors and GBE can be blocked the same way. Vectors can go intangible and bypass solid matter like you said so even if she does block the concussive force I'm not sure she can deal with the intangibility.
Since this is Monday, our fight should end at the end of today. So after you post your rebuttal of this post the debate would end and we'll just do a final recap so it'll be easier for the voters to vote without having to read through so many pages.
Cthulhu-versailles
The Luckiest Man in Agrabah
The match is over............ 
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Red
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I like how you realize the match is over. On WednesdayThe match is over............
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