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Domain Change

Mbxx

[b]test[/b]
Administrator
In general; the domain change has been discussed for a long time. The reality now is that the EU has passed a directive that is now being implemented into the national laws of many countries. These laws will likely be in place in most states by June 7.

This law will change the legal landscape for uploaded content for users. Certain platforms will be liable / have to fulfill certain obligations.

This includes all platforms that

1. have as their main purpose exclusively or at least also to store and make publicly available a large amount of copyrighted content uploaded by third parties,
2. organize the content as defined in number 1,
3. advertise the content as defined in number 1 for the purpose of making a profit, and
4. compete with online content services for the same target groups.

The service provider fulfills these obligation if it f.e. acquires rights of use from certain collecting societies (which cannot be avoided). The subject matter is very complicated. The domain change should be seen in this context.

Furthermore, the consideration was to use the following as the new logo (narutomaki):



 

blackbeard

fangus pundemic
not a bad name, but legacy is important. should kept the initials NF. but i suggest another domain change to mbxx.org/net/com clearly a better domain name.
 

Kenneth

your huckleberry
Administrator
but question tho

we don't make any copyrighted content available at all nor do we store it much less either of those things being our main purpose exclusively, and whatever images we do have that might be subject to copyright laws can easily be under the fair use law by way of parody, critique, commentary, etc
in fact submission of links to third party websites where they DO store copyrighted materials has greatly decreased over the years and even then it was never officially condoned
we don't claim to be anything but a place where fans can congregate either, and offer no services or scans or downloads to media, nor we do expressly condone or advertise anything of the sort

we don't make a profit
we don't directly compete with anyone

at worst we had naruto in our name which very arguably could be because it's literally what a massive chunk of the forum used to be about :thunk this is the only concern

why would we ever fall under this law when we fit none of the criteria in a meaningful way tho
 

Catamount

Uncaged
why would we ever fall under this law when we fit none of the criteria in a meaningful way tho
Because mbxx does not understand how this or any other of the recent years acts work.
There was an attempt to explain that the act covers illegal profit or copyrights claims (injust ones), but it failed miserably. Can't pass that it is not about sharing the content or even sharing a link to where it is stored.

There is a trademark name ownership rule amongst domain name registrars (more even than registries cause ain't nobody knowing they gotta complain to some of the NICs instead) which does NOT prevent you from registering a domain name that simply CONTAINS a copyrighted word. You just confirm you are a good boi and go ahead. It has been created to make a difference between, for example, gamefans and gamehacks. The game company will not attempt to shut down the first but would want to get rid of the latter.
Again, flew right above the head.

The laws are all about the purpose, not the form, but oh well. Gotta read more than once without skipping for that and know the industry. Which is surprising that he does not, since the domain names offered for a change are owned for ages already. Would assume could learn by now.
 
Aside for the no warning prior to push the execute button. We can't pretend that we were not warned.


From Naruto:
Mbxx worries about copyright infringement a lot and wants to move as far away from trademarked iconography as possible and a number of people feel tying the site to a series that won't last forever is not ideal.

And the vote:


So since there were only 7 votes, you all have only yourself to blame for not partaking in the open direct democracy last year. :rainbowsheep

From Mbxx:

To get a little further for "possible" branding (as in nothing is fixed, raw suggestions, the topic has been haunting us for a while), attached are different three approaches that are seen as hopeful.

Kurenai.com - Popular crimson color, on which you can build a brand around. Fits into Naruto as well.

FanVerse.org - More broadly, fanverse vs converse, own term for fandom taking.

Added,
animemanga.org - The term for anime/manga.

At the end of the day, there is no perfect name (and most is taken). Otherwise, please do not insert alternatives here; especially unchecked domains that are already taken (one of the bigger problems with the search). Of course, if anyone has a suggestion for a name, feel free to share it with the staff. Looking for shorter, easy to remember, more unique names (not XYZ forum).

And its just a vote. If you have questions, feel free to write private message.

Again, we can always request a new domain name change, but that ship already sailed on her last trip 14 months ago and it aint coming back.
 

Fang

Titan
so this is cause mbxx was scared viz or shueisha would come after this site just cause it was called narutoforums? arlongpark forums isn't changing their name
No one is, even in Europe because he keeps citing EU net laws and new regulations but no other webmasters are acting as paranoid as he is over this.
 

Rinoa

Imper❀triz 滅
Administrator
And the vote:


So since there were only 7 votes, you all have only yourself to blame for not partaking in the open direct democracy last year. :rainbowsheep
To be fair here, this thread was randomly locked 1 day after it was created.
Not that i consider that it would change anything, but it’s not expected or asked in 1 day to reach the whole community or the majority of.
 

accountmaker

The In Between
Aside for the no warning prior to push the execute button. We can't pretend that we were not warned.


From Naruto:


And the vote:


So since there were only 7 votes, you all have only yourself to blame for not partaking in the open direct democracy last year. :rainbowsheep

From Mbxx:



Again, we can always request a new domain name change, but that ship already sailed on her last trip 14 months ago and it aint coming back.
I vote for "narutoforums.com"
 

Amol

Chief of Wisdom
Problem is not with the fact you changed name Mbxx.

We all understand why you did it. Unlike us you actually legally can be punished if powers that be decided to take action. So we understand why you did this.

I think problem that most people have with you is that you were given lot of suggestions and you just point blank ignored them. Many members just think you don't value community opinion. Like at all.

Fanverse is objectively bland name and I can not imagine it catching on any time soon.

IMO we could have done lot better than fanverse .
 

Catamount

Uncaged
Listen mbxx that pm is the exact difference between the purpose of an online project and the name itself. Again, we went through it before.
You live in your own world for real. We also went through "fanverse sounds like a furry porn dump" - "good it should" too. And this is the association you can see people have right now.

Nobody gets legally punished for silmarillionworld or wordpressadvice domains. You just confirm the disclaimer on the failed registration and move on. Actual owners of trademarks encourage such websites because they spread the word about original content.
But man.
I see you sending me the same you sent before. Idk you think I sound civil or something, but trust me going over the same thing is annoying even in pm or whatever.

Like how come the virtual copyright protection laws make so much trouble for you and IP tracking one doesn't? I just can't comprehend what exactly is not clear in the purpose of that law. It is not aiming at stopping voluntary advertisement. NARUTOforums was an ad for the series in this case, not a claim of ownership.

Idk.
 

Catamount

Uncaged
I have a problem now, I was sitting on a floor while typing that and now there is a cat on my lap and it is cold at night and I will freeze here on the floor and die cause I can't get up from under a cat.
 

accountmaker

The In Between
I have a problem now, I was sitting on a floor while typing that and now there is a cat on my lap and it is cold at night and I will freeze here on the floor and die cause I can't get up from under a cat.
Change your cat's name; that'll probably get it to leave. God knows it's working for the users here.
 

Justiciar

Well-Known Member
Can't say that I like the name. But hopefully I'll get used to it.

That said, doesn't the logo have to be changed?

And what about all the Naruto references, like "Anbu Central" or "Konoha Mall?" I mean a design overhaul to fit the changes doesn't sound like a bad idea, but please don't make it too different.
 

Mad Scientist

Skyclad Observer
Domain Expansion! Fanverse no Jutsu!!

"It's incomplete! It's ugly work at best. But for now, that's fine!"

"Broaden it... more freely! The interpretation... of the technique!!"




Mbxx vs the world

 

Dano

RIP uncle. Covid sucks.
Tbf, since the last year I knew that whatever we said, it would be a name change.

However as other users pointed out, the reasons were far fetched unless they would ban akin forums and wikis also. That leaves a taste that really admin just wanted to rename the hole website and sought a mildly plausible reason to do so, trying to convince everyone to do so.

Since everyone said no, or propose another name (like a year ago). He went just Kim Jong Un, and rename it anyway without any consensus.

Well whatever.
 

Altace

Sad Stan
I had to Google the site to make sure I had the right place.

The new name change is fitting considering....well we have lots of fans of shit over here.
 

Desiderius

l’esprit de l’escalier
Since everyone said no, or propose another name (like a year ago). He went just Kim Jong Un, and rename it anyway without any consensus.
This got me thinking, though.

@Mbxx

Were these the only options you were going to give the users?

If that's the case, you communicated this absolutely terribly.

If you had no intention of taking any specific suggestions or because none of the numerous suggestions fit your criteria, the onus is on you to present a competent and easy explanation to the userbase so they don't feel robbed and disregarded. You did neither. You didn't tell anyone, "no, this doesn't meet the criteria. Please try X, Y, Z instead, or else it will not be considered at all."
People took it for, "you can suggest anything freely and it will be seriously considered and added to the poll."

It's really that simple, yet somehow you overlooked this. Regardless of how time sensitive the discussion was and how spammy it got, you have a responsibility to clearly show the users what your intentions and end game was.

You gave users the illusion of choice, which is why you met their ire.
 

Thdyingbreed

Well-Known Member
Ningenforums or bust.

Also people say we had a “vote” but I remember our gracious admin deleting posts in that thread when we told him his suggestions were fucking shit. :tchpepe
 

Broleta

Well-Known Member
I'm not a fan of the name since it doesn't communicate that the forum is about Naruto (or even manga/anime). It's just too general. Also, I feel like it's a odd to think that the EU would come after you because your domain has the word 'Naruto' included in it. There isn't any effort here to share/organise the upload of/profit from copyrighted content so there shouldn't have been any issue with the EU directive.
 
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