Do You Think Jiriaya's Frog Song Genjutsu works on Itachi?

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muishot

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As we all know by now Jiriaya's frog song genjutsu is very powerful and effective. However, it might not be as effective on Itachi as it does on Pein. Pein is the weilder of the Rikodou which only specialize in Ninjutsus and nothing more. The Sharingan on the other hand is the master of genjutsu as well as taijutsus and ninjutsus. And Itachi is the master of genjutsus with Tsukyomi and the Sword of Tokatsu.

With that said, do you think Itachi will be able to dispell Jiriaya's genjutsu with his sharingan? He will get caught in it but unlike Pein he would be able to break it.

Also, I don't think Jiriaya genjutsu would have any effect on Susanoo so even if Itachi is caught in a genjutsu there is no way Jiriaya would be able to kill Itachi while Susanoo is activated and before Itachi break the genjutsu and go back on the offensive.
 
That's ridiculous, everyone knows that Susano-o's shield can deflect sound waves :zaru

And that's why Itachi is invencible.

Oh wait...
 
of course it work on itachi
and jiraiya can sealed susanno by anyway
like itachi said
jiraiya>itachi and kisame ( even with more men)

the fact is that we never seen jiraiya using his ultimate jutsu ..
because he didn't have the chance against pein , he took down his guard and lost an arm
no one can do his last jutsu with hust an arm
 
Hazuki said:
of course it work on itachi
and jiraiya can sealed susanno by anyway
like itachi said
jiraiya>itachi and kisame ( even with more men)

the fact is that we never seen jiraiya using his ultimate jutsu ..
because he didn't have the chance against pein , he took down his guard and lost an arm
no one can do his last jutsu with hust an arm
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Seal Susanoo? How? Don't be confuse the difference between sealing Amaterasu when Itachi is using it and the remnant of Amaterasu which is the fire the is left behind after Itachi deactivate Amaterasu.

I understand what Itachi said that him and Kisame and with more men, the best they could hope for is for all of them to die together. What do you think when he said "more men"? Does he mean more Akatsuki's members or just their underlings? I don't remember Itachi and Kisame having underlings. So in my view it must mean other Akatsuki's members as we have seen Itachi, Kisame, and Sasori together when they recruit Deidara. Do you honestly think that what Itachi said is true? Kisame doubts what Itachi said because Kisame believes that Itachi can take on Jiriaya.

I find it hard to believe that both Kisame and Itachi couldn't beat Jiriaya.
 
I think he'd get caught in it, but it would probably take some effort to break out of it. You can't exactly avoid sound that's all around you. (Even though apparently you can with a fan. :zaru Cause, you know, Temari can swing that thing faster than sound.) The J-man might have him in it for a minute, but ultimately it might just be reversed or completely dispelled.
 
I don't think you would be able to break out of it at all...but Susanoo may have a chance to get him out of it
 
i think itachi would be caught in the genjutsu. beacuse Susanoo doesnt protect against sound. its so obivous. he was TALKING AND LISTENING THE ENTIRE TIME. if Susanoo protected against sound, u wouldnt hear what he said and he wouldnt be able to hear anyone.

the speed of 340.29 m / s, and itachi isnt that fast. if he was than evertime he'd go his fastest the sound barrier would break. we'd constantly hear booms.

the momment the sound of the genjutsu song hits ur ears in a trance

from there i doubt itachi could break a genjutsu that parylzes the mind and teh nerves. without ur nerves let alone ur brain, ur a vegtable. i know, this cause one of my aunts had nerve damage on a single nerve and from that shes been blind since she was 15.

 
TheProfessor said:
i think itachi would be caught in the genjutsu. beacuse Susanoo doesnt protect against sound. its so obivous. he was TALKING AND LISTENING THE ENTIRE TIME. if Susanoo protected against sound, u wouldnt hear what he said and he wouldnt be able to hear anyone.

the speed of 340.29 m / s, and itachi isnt that fast. if he was than evertime he'd go his fastest the sound barrier would break. we'd constantly hear booms.

the momment the sound of the genjutsu song hits ur ears in a trance

from there i doubt itachi could break a genjutsu that parylzes the mind and teh nerves. without ur nerves let alone ur brain, ur a vegtable. i know, this cause one of my aunts had nerve damage on a single nerve and from that shes been blind since she was 15.

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Well I understand that it is a very powerful genjutsu. Pein knows that he is trap in the genjutsu but can't break it. Howerver, Itachi is not Pein. He is a genjutsu expert and the sharingan ability is to create, break, and counter genjutsus. I am saying maybe he can break out of it. I didn't say that he would not be affected by it. He will get caught but the question would he be able to break out of it. And even with him being under the genjutsu as long as Susanoo is activated, there is no why Jiriaya can hurt him because I don't Jiriaya's genjutsu can put Susanoo in an bind. And Susanoo seems to be able to fight on its own.
 
You're missing one vital concept here. Yes, Itachi is a genjutsu specialist and his sharingan lets him see a genjutsu before it hits.

However, Itachi can't stop the song from hitting his ears... and once it does his body and mind are paralyzed.

How can Itachi break out if his body and mind are paralyzed? For all intensive purposes, it puts Itachi in a coma and appears to separate his soul from his body. Thus leaving him there unable to form chakra or do a thing to break it.

If you can't move, you can't break the genjutsu.
 
It could work. But. Itachi is a genjutsu God. It all depends however i don't think he'd fair quite as badly as Pein against a genjutsu.

He'd break out.
 
It would work. And I don't think Itachi could break out of it. That's the thing with S-Rank jutsu, if they hit you it's over. No matter who you are. Itachi would either have to leave the vicinity or defeat Jraiya or the frogs before the genjutsu hits him.
 
God damnit, why are we debating this? Jiraiya has already said that this is an unavoidable jutsu, Once you're caught in it, it's over. Pain got lucky, Itachi would not
Itachi can't instantly control anyones genjutsu, thats not what his tsukuyomi allows him to do.
 
Pein only specialized in ninjutsu and nothing more?! Man we must be reading completely different mangas lol..

But yeah.. It's fairly obvious that Itachi would die from the Hermit song genjutsu. To think otherwise you'd have to be a pretty big fanboy. It's a song, that first paralizes your mind and body then kills you. Susano'o doesn't deflect against sound or he wouldn't have been able to hear Sasuke talk, and Sasuke wouldn't have been able to hear him talk. You can't break out of genjusu when you're mind is paralized. This is just rediculous people, stop making shit up. Just because Itachi is amazing with genjutsu, you can't just assumed he can break out of it without the use of mind!

Jiraiya > Itachi! Manga canon even says so. GET OVER IT.
 
muishot said:
Seal Susanoo? How? Don't be confuse the difference between sealing Amaterasu when Itachi is using it and the remnant of Amaterasu which is the fire the is left behind after Itachi deactivate Amaterasu.
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why not , i'm sure that jiraiya have sealing jutsu
he didn't use it against pein that all or actually
but jiraiya wasn't hurt an once against pein when he had his arms

susanoo is strong , but we only seen him against sasuke
even orochimaru survive from susanno

I understand what Itachi said that him and Kisame and with more men, the best they could hope for is for all of them to die together. What do you think when he said "more men"? Does he mean more Akatsuki's members or just their underlings? I don't remember Itachi and Kisame having underlings. So in my view it must mean other Akatsuki's members as we have seen Itachi, Kisame, and Sasori together when they recruit Deidara. Do you honestly think that what Itachi said is true? Kisame doubts what Itachi said because Kisame believes that Itachi can take on Jiriaya.
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kisame is a newbie (even if i like him) , itachi , a younger ninja always lectured him
"kisame stop it " " you can't take on kakashi without being hurting"
"
and there are no proof that kisame was talking about jiraiya when he said " you couldn't ? "
in my opinion , he was talking about taking naruto

because 1 min early he said " at this rate we will be killed" because of jiraiya jutsu..



I find it hard to believe that both Kisame and Itachi couldn't beat Jiriaya.
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i find it hard that you don't believe on the manga 's word

deidara said that he was weaker than sasori , however we have seen his c4 that can destroy manda
but still sasori is still stronger than him since it's deidara himself who said that


jiraiya could take on all pein body
and beat 1 akatsuki very easely , so now it's quite logic when itachi said " we can't beat him even with more men"

we read the manga , and the manga is the source
 
I think the frog jutsu would work very well against itachi if they where given the time to complete it (which is the big question)

I see everyone here saying that susanoo would stop it but how do you stop what you can't see. ma and pa frog where manipulating sound and by the time itachi would have noticed the sound (that is he hears it) he would already be to late cause he will be under its effect. The only way to stop it is by blocking out the sound and that renders him with one sense less which means he has a huge blindspot unless he is able to compensate with his other senses. (which i doubt cause that takes LOADS of training to do)
 
stormrunner said:
I think the frog jutsu would work very well against itachi if they where given the time to complete it (which is the big question)

I see everyone here saying that susanoo would stop it but how do you stop what you can't see. ma and pa frog where manipulating sound and by the time itachi would have noticed the sound (that is he hears it) he would already be to late cause he will be under its effect. The only way to stop it is by blocking out the sound and that renders him with one sense less which means he has a huge blindspot unless he is able to compensate with his other senses. (which i doubt cause that takes LOADS of training to do)
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Nobody in here said that Susanoo could stop the frog song. But how do we know for sure that Itachi can't break out of the Frog Song. We don't know and will never know. The part about Susanoo is that I don't the frog song would have an effect on Susanoo since it is not an entity or a person. I don't know what it is. Even if Itachi is bind in a genjutsu, Jiriaya can't kill him because of Susanoo.

And never said never. You can't say that no one can break out of anything as time and time again we have seen that being proven wrong. Frog song might be extremely effective against Pein, but it doesn't mean that it will have the same effect on Itachi.

Just like Tsukyomi, those who believe that Jiriaya is stronger than Itachi believe Tsukyomi will not work against Jiriaya because many believe Jiriaya could break out of it. And they are the same people who said Itachi can't break out of the Frog Song. So for those who said never, let me remind you that nothing is absolute.
 
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Hazuki said:
why not , i'm sure that jiraiya have sealing jutsu
he didn't use it against pein that all or actually
but jiraiya wasn't hurt an once against pein when he had his arms

susanoo is strong , but we only seen him against sasuke
even orochimaru survive from susanno



kisame is a newbie (even if i like him) , itachi , a younger ninja always lectured him
"kisame stop it " " you can't take on kakashi without being hurting"
"
and there are no proof that kisame was talking about jiraiya when he said " you couldn't ? "
in my opinion , he was talking about taking naruto

because 1 min early he said " at this rate we will be killed" because of jiraiya jutsu..





i find it hard that you don't believe on the manga 's word

deidara said that he was weaker than sasori , however we have seen his c4 that can destroy manda
but still sasori is still stronger than him since it's deidara himself who said that


jiraiya could take on all pein body
and beat 1 akatsuki very easely , so now it's quite logic when itachi said " we can't beat him even with more men"

we read the manga , and the manga is the source
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Take on all pein's body is still only one Akatsuki. It is like anyone taking on a thousand Naruto's clones. Is it the same as taking on Naruto, Neji, Kakashi, and the rest of Konoha?The difference between what Itachi said vs Deidara is the fact that Itachi could be lying. If future chapters prove that Itachi is in fact a good guy or at least not as bad as we were led to believe then all that he said to Kisame could also be a lie because Kisame doubted what Itachi said to him. Kisame thinks that Itachi could take on Jiriaya.

And for the record, I do believe that Itachi could be Jiriaya.

The frog song jutsu can be block because sound travel in wavelength. All that you need to do is disrupt the sound wave by using explosion. But that is another topic, the topic in discussion is whether Itachi can break out of the Frog Song, not whether Itachi could be Jiriaya.
 
Susanoo would do shit against this since its not blocking sound. let alone the vibrations the song would probably make in the earth.

And its not like Itachi would be using Susanoo off the bat anyways.

Whatever, it depends on how exactly the genjutsu functions. It seems way different from the other genjutsu Itachi and Kurenai use. Itachi genjutsu are like visual distortions caused by chakra disruption in the brain. We know how to fix that.

The frog song seems more like an actual chemical imbalance in brain due to vibrations. And the fact that it cause an actual paralysis means u can't try to break your finger or bite your lip. You're just fucked.

Soooo. I'd say Itachi can't get out of this genjutsu for once.

Just hope Itachi doesn't Tsukiyomi J-man before he's done.
 
muishot said:
Nobody in here said that Susanoo could stop the frog song. But how do we know for sure that Itachi can't break out of the Frog Song. We don't know and will never know. The part about Susanoo is that I don't the frog song would have an effect on Susanoo since it is not an entity or a person. I don't know what it is. Even if Itachi is bind in a genjutsu, Jiriaya can't kill him because of Susanoo.

And never said never. You can't say that no one can break out of anything as time and time again we have seen that being proven wrong. Frog song might be extremely effective against Pein, but it doesn't mean that it will have the same effect on Itachi.

Just like Tsukyomi, those who believe that Jiriaya is stronger than Itachi believe Tsukyomi will not work against Jiriaya because many believe Jiriaya could break out of it. And they are the same people who said Itachi can't break out of the Frog Song. So for those who said never, let me remind you that nothing is absolute.
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It might not block susanoo, but it would disable Itachi. Sound passes through the barrier and while susanoo might be unaffected, itachi being its controller would. And once he gets affected he is impaired, the song jutsu completely paralyzes the opponent as seen in the fight vs pein.
 
Like i was alway saying. Jiraiya > Itachi.

I think Jiraiya's frog song genjutsu will kill Itachi. :amuse
 
Frog Legs are freaking awesome:del.........SHAH!:obd Wait...........Toad Sage Mountain..........Toad prophecy...........Hold up! Ma and Pa aren't frogs........They're either a snake or a slug...........They can't be toads, that's too obvious.:awesome
 
jiraiya's spirit bomb(ultimate rasengan) would destroy susanoo. then itachi would be defenseless to the sickest genjutsu in the manga. did you see how he freaking stabbed pein with those huge swords? that was the sickest burial ever.
 
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