Yeah, I've noticed that too. That's why I was trying to make threads that could stimulate some sort of controversy or discussion. I didn't expect it would be this one though o_o.
i always enjoy a good debate
About the one-liners, well I do find some of them funny, I take much delight in laughing at ridiculous things. But in the same vein, though somewhat spammy, NF still has a lot of freedom of speech compared to other forums where the mods get after you for criticizing a character that deserves to be criticized heavily.
i got a post deleted and got points for spamming for my comment on the Mayuri Szyeal fight in one forum when i made a comment on saving our mad Scientists.
So at least there's the potential for discussion here.
aye... but its rarely reached that.
You know, it's very difficult to look at the HM arc without comparing it to the Soul Society arc, and I think that's where the problem arises for most people.
Thats true, Because we look for comparisons between the two.
but what i find funny is when people try to connect one espada to one captain and they always end up like "Well i think grimm is like Ken... no... wait... noi is like ken... but ulq is like Byakuya... then who's yammy like? the old man had to be like the old man.. but what about halibel?"
The Soul Society was about Ichigo's resolve to get Rukia, but didn't solely concentrate on fights alone. There were all these different threads involved concerning the mystery of Aizen's "death" and the moving of Rukia's execution ahead of schedule. KT also dealt with far more characters, all the vcs and captains, which made things more interesting. The fights were epic but resolved in 7-8 chapters at the most. KT didn't leave one hanging for weeks to see the end of a fight.
There was also many "pointless" fights and if you remember correctly, and many "Useless" characters in that arc too.
this arc has focused on: Aizen/Oriheme/Grimmjow/Noi/Nel/Rukia/Ichigo/Chad/Renji/The Hollows/Espada mind set.
also, we are now getting an explanation of "Why did aizen just let them walk into Los Noches." "Why isn't aizen concerned his espada are falling?"
"Why didn't he try harder to get inoue back!?"
The characters were more anthropomorphic for the most part and the antagonists that were portrayed as cold or ruthless usually ended up having underlying motivations for their behavior, and thus turned sympathetic. There was far less of a line drawn between good and evil.The pacing seemed a million times faster and despite the complexity of all the threads, the arc had a direction.
The Hollows have always seemed... Evil. to people, they were always portrayed as beasts who feast on souls.
we learned now that hollows also consume each other for power.
this is little reason for smypothy. But wait... we find out now, Hollows can be caring? hollows have family. they also have their own ideals. "Did you ever think in the eyes of a hollow soul society is the evil ones!"
We found out noi's purpose in life is to fight stronger opponents so he can die in battle.
i always felt the SS arc moved slow, but that is because i was reading bleach before that and i was reading it chapter by chapter.
We all knew that Ichigo had a limited amount of time to rescue Rukia and there was a deadline approaching for him to grow as a fighter. Ichigo's fights had purpose and allowed him to display new techniques, so his fighting style seemed fresh.
In this arc, Ichigo doesn't have all the time in the world to get oriheme. He has to get in and out as fast as possible, he's dealing with aizen after all. He was cocky and thought he could walk in and beat everyone up and this arc is meant to humble ichigo.
he was acting high and thinking he was the only one who could defeat these guys, pushing chad/rukia/renji/ishida away, thinking "Only i can protect them"
This is meant to give ichigo more trust in his friends and their abilities, he's realizing more now that he is also reallying on his instincts more and more in this arc. (which is an important part of controlling your hollow)
so, these fights DO have purpose. Again, Just remember things from the past and here they are in this arc.
You do have a point, HM was not a complete waste, there were a few bright moments, but KT really didn't execute it as well as the Soul Society arc for a lot of people. Soul Society arc, at least for me, was a lot richer and more exciting. When characters fought each other it was usually for personal reasons and thus more engaging.
The only fight for personal reasons was Ichigo Vs Renji, Renji Vs Byakuya, Byakuya Vs ichigo.
they were all personal, The others were small skirimishes that don't really matter.
Rukia Vs Lulu (Personal) Ichigo Vs Ulq (personal) Grimm vs ichigo (personal)
SS is like the wave country arc of bleach, everyone thinks its better then most arcs to come and that everything pales in comparison to it. this is because we were introduced to pretty much everything in that arc and as such it makes it new and exciting.
Yeah saving Orihime was their goal, but to be honest the espadas really fought their enemies for their own pleasure and, except for Ulq, no espada was really adamant about keeping Orihime from getting rescued. Ichigo fought Grimmjow to settle a score mostly, he wasn't fighting to specifically save her.
Ichigo fought grimmjow because of their instincts, because of them they were naturally drawn to fight and kill each other so that they could become stronger.
But anyway, The espada didn't really care because most of them thought "Heh, they won't get to her anyway."
they look down on humans/Shinigami just like the shinigami looked down on them. "Heh they wont save her anyway."
Ulq and Stark seemed to not be too happy that Oriheme got Rescued, grimm stole her to deal with his personal grudge against ichigo. which i liked, He was the guy who betrayed aizen's orders for his own personal goals.
But... Ulq seems to have a grudge against ichigo too... he DID prod him into fighting him. "Arn't you going to attack me?" "You might be my enemy but you haven't hurt any of my friends so i have no reason to fight you."
"What if i told you i was the one who made oriheme come to HM?" *angry attack*
And then immediately gets used as fodder by Nnoitra, causing Ichigo to want to rescue him.
Does ANYONE really expect chad to beat the 5th espada?
I agree with this.
For me, this was the brightest spot in the arc and I thought she was one of the characters who grew the most.
personally i loved grimmjows past the most.
Renji and Ishida didn't find their own resolve, they were humiliated by Szayel and had to be rescued by Mayuri. Not to mention KT really fucked up with the Ishida/Mayuri interaction. I'm sorry but this is the guy who tortured and killed his grandfather, even sadistically showing his picture to Ishida, and it really seems awkward for them to be so casual to each other. It kind of waters down Ishida's fight with Mayuri in SS, and that's when I truly noticed how awesome Ishida was. >___< I really didn't like that.
Personally i LOVED how it happened, I felt bad for Renji and ishida because they got so beat up during the Fight where they couldn't use their best attacks and any damage that Szyeal took was removed that even though they both probably could have taken released szyeal they were beat up already.
And i loved the Mayuri and Ishida reactions, Mayuri may have been sick, but that was when he was Ishida's enemy, Ishida spent time in SS and was no longer an enemy he was a SS guest, He also has been developing a better relationship with the shinigami and is moving past his grudge.
well I think that could be true to an extent had KT allowed his characters to shine, but I think a lot of people disagree that he gave Chad, Ishida, and Renji some dignity.
Eh, when you look forward, We see chad got two shotted by the 5th espada
It would really have been stupid to give chad a Espada fight as well. The 9th was rukia's the 8th renjis the 7th was at some unknown place and his ability is the worst thing for chad, The 10th is lost, the 6th is ichigo's the 5th would rape him, and 4+ would kill him.
Renji and Ishida also showed some amazing skills, fail or not they were impressive.
But most prob it's going to be a lot more fights. let's just pray that in between them we get some plot moving as well. i mean all the main and hidden players are on the field now. urahara, aizen, daddy brigade, vaizards. so the fights should be good, cause we get to see some other characters abilities, and the reaction to those abilities. and i'm sure we will get some answers about isshin and ishida's history as well as the vaizards.
), so there's no reason to doubt him. Sometimes he's just not on top of his game.
rescue the princess again? that withstanding he did an ok job plotwise throwing in the kaien thing and the mad scientist V mad scientist thing and the nell thing,those were good,it was never going to be as good as SS arc,come on it was the first time we were seeing shikai's and bankai's etc,nothing is ever going to top that so stop comparing people.It really only became pointless with the last fight,i didnt like that at all,there was little in noi's character that didnt already exisit in some other character.except for him being a chauvinist and that dope ass weapon noi's character was totally unoriginal. 
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