Did Sasuke WIN?

did sauce win?

  • yes he won

    Votes: 101 28.7%

  • no he did not win

    Votes: 166 47.2%

  • draw/no contest

    Votes: 65 18.5%

  • other (please write in)

    Votes: 20 5.7%
  • Total voters
    352
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a basic poll to gauge member's opinions.

I say that a 'winner' in a fight is normally the last man standing, however, if your opponent just dies on you, can it really be called a victory?

I claim a 'no contest'!
 
Yes he won. Look at it this way: If Itachi hadn't been killed by the side affects of MS, then he wouldn't have had or used MS, and then Sauske would have won easily. Because Sasuke forced Itachi to use a technique that damaged himself, Sasuke won.
 
Itachi has lost while Sasuke has not. Those are the only terms necessary for victory, so yes, Sasuke won.
 
No, more that Itachi lost. In the end, Sasuke was outmatched by his brother despite a boost from the CS(2) and an assist from Orochimaru, and still couldn't win. Itachi collapsed by his own jutsu.
 
InfIchi said:
death won :zaru
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Death always wins, no matter what. :LOS

9Tome-Hokage said:
No, more that Itachi lost. In the end, Sasuke was outmatched by his brother despite a boost from the CS(2) and an assist from Orochimaru, and still couldn't win. Itachi collapsed by his own jutsu.
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He doesn't have to be stronger to win. As long as at the end of the fight his opponent loses while he has not, hes still won.
 
Sasuke hasn't had a real victory yet in P2 unless you count the fodder ninja.

He attacked a bed-ridden Oro and didn't even kill him, only suppressed him until now. Oro wasn't even trying to kill Sasuke either, only take over him, otherwise it could have been quite different.

He fought Deidara with an elemental advantage and just barely escaped alive with some unbelievable method.

Now he's fought Itachi too, and only wins because once again his opponent takes himself out. Not to mention Itachi isn't trying to kill Sasuke, only to get his eyes.

That's not to say he isn't strong/smart/quick, etc. He's shown himself to at least be somewhat on the level of these ninja, just not able to defeat them outright, even with advantages.
 
9Tome-Hokage said:
No, more that Itachi lost. In the end, Sasuke was outmatched by his brother despite a boost from the CS(2) and an assist from Orochimaru, and still couldn't win. Itachi collapsed by his own jutsu.
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yes oro assisted sasuke abit, but so did yamato and kakashi in naruto's win against kakuzu.

itachi died due using chakra in order to beat sasuke.
 
won by default
like always :zaru
(since part 2)
 
To me, a true victory isn't as simple as last man standing.

Especially when the side text of the next chapter questions "But how?!" or something like that. If anything at all, Sasuke won by default/survived.

It's hard to believe that Itachi sealing Orochimaru didn't take anything out of him. No way actually performing such a thing doesn't have it's drawbacks. Therefore, unless proven other wise, I do believe Orochimaru's interruption skewed the results of the fight. You can't call a clear victor in that kind of scenario, were a third party potentially tipped the scales in one opponents favour. Especially when we all saw how close(yet so far,now) Itachi was from his goal.

The MS side effects also can't be ignored, nor can they be attributed singularly to Sasuke forcing Itachi to use MS jutsus. Even though Itachi had to use them in this battle, Sasuke wasn't the origin of these side effects. Sasuke wasn't the reason Itachi choose to obtain the MS and use/abuse it's power for almost a decade. That was Itachi's own villainous thing, and many villains often contribute to their own downfall. Itachi does get some credit for kicking his own ass.

This may be a moral victory for Sasuke because he didn't take Itachi's shortcut and let the MS ruin him the way Itachi did. There's a lot of merit in that though, if it's true. Even though Sasuke's morals are still questionable, they're obviously better than Itachi's thus far.

Most importantly though, we don't know how Sasuke feels about this yet.
 
I put other just because I think it could be argued that they both lost. Neither accomplished what they set out to do.
 
The chapter doesn't show Sasuke being responsible for the final blow, so I voted "other" because it's unclear why Itachi suddenly grabbed his chest and coughed blood.
Pain in the eyes does not make you cough blood; turning blind does not make you cough blood. Until it's clear that there was no outside influence, I won't consider it a win.
 
Suzume said:
I put other just because I think it could be argued that they both lost. Neither accomplished what they set out to do.
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Actually Sasuke did, yes he didn't literally kill him with his own hands, but HIS ACTIONS resulted in Itachi's death, which is what Sasuke ultimately wanted regardless.
 
Sutol said:
Actually Sasuke did, yes he didn't literally kill him with his own hands, but HIS ACTIONS resulted in Itachi's death, which is what Sasuke ultimately wanted regardless.
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Yet, it was Itachi's decison to obtain the MS in the first place, and use it for almost a decade despite the conseqences. It was his mistakes and power lust that lead up to his downfall.

Certainly Sasuke contributed. But Itachi gets credit for his own death as well, there is no way to deny that unless something we don't know is revealed.

Also, I'm going to repeat what I said already: you don't know how Sasuke feels yet. If he feels "victorious" and other things are explained I seriously will concede these points and let him have his victory. But right now it's little more than a default win/survival by the looks of it.
 
wall>itachi's head
looks like we know the real winner, folks :zaru
 
If it's the strain of Susanoo that killed Itachi then Sasuke won since he forced Itachi to use it if he wanted to win, if it's something else then maybe not.
 
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