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Current Laxus vs Current Gaara

OrlandoSky

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I don't even know if we can scale Laxus from Erza or even Natsu's feats, their tier on the upper echelon of FT's power-scaling gets pushed and jumps around as much as Beerus depending on how nakama driven they are at the moment it's so fucking dumb.
 

OrlandoSky

Well-Known Member
When was that ever the case?
Well there's a lot of instances where (for example) Natsu gets fodderized by someone way above his or Erza or Laxus' paygrade then without training or any actual shonen power-up Natsu simply beats down the much superior enemy in round 2 because "DeY mEsSeD wItH fAiRy Tail :argh" and beats the enemy down with a nakama punch then in the next arc Erza/Laxus/Gildarts are treated as still being above him without any noticeable shift in the power gap. This same thing happens a lot with Erza too. I'm actually curious if the nakama power-up we joke about is an actual canonical in-universe kaioken type power-ups of some kind :hmm
 

Rev97

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Well there's a lot of instances where (for example) Natsu gets fodderized by someone way above his or Erza or Laxus' paygrade then without training or any actual shonen power-up Natsu simply beats down the much superior enemy in round 2 because "DeY mEsSeD wItH fAiRy Tail :argh" and beats the enemy down with a nakama punch then in the next arc Erza/Laxus/Gildarts are treated as still being above him without any noticeable shift in the power gap. This same thing happens a lot with Erza too. I'm actually curious if the nakama power-up we joke about is an actual canonical in-universe kaioken type power-ups of some kind :hmm
That still doesn’t tell me Gray and Natsu > Erza though
 

Rev97

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Well Natsu did beat an amped Zeref (and most recently Woody the log dragon) while Erza's best feat was still tangling with Irene.
Zeref yes but only briefly stunned. Zeref would have recovered no problem had Mavis not broken his curse so they could die and go to the afterlife together.

Aldoron, nope. Natsu was getting his ass kicked by the main body until the other characters weakened him further by taking out other parts of him. All Natsu could do was try to last until than.

And even than, it’s explained Aldoron was still incredibly weak and not at his full strength, which is the only reason FT even had a chance. No random Nakama power-up here, which doesn’t even happen as often as people joke about it
 
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OneSimpleAnime

King of Kaiju
Gray stan confirmed

He is weaksauce for the top member

Natsu>Gildarts>Laxus>Erza~Mira>Gajeel>Gra
Lol? Gildarts best feat is stalemating a weakened God Serena. Natsu was casually above Brandish at that point in base, then he got the END boost and Gray matched him.
 

Rev97

Well-Known Member
Lol? Gildarts best feat is stalemating a weakened God Serena. Natsu was casually above Brandish at that point in base, then he got the END boost and Gray matched him.
Gildarts literally called God Serena small fry and one-shotted him. Natsu and several others were struggling with that same God Serena just before Gildarts showed up.
 

Irradiance

Slightly Above Average
I'm actually curious if the nakama power-up we joke about is an actual canonical in-universe kaioken type power-ups of some kind :hmm
There is some evidence in favour of it.
Spoiler:

In chapter 2 it is described as this:
which would at least support force of will being a factor.
In chapter 410 curse power is said to be a branch of magic that draws power from negative emotions
and with it being the opposite of regular magic it is easy to imagine that positive emotions boost that.
Additionally, there is some talk about the one original magic being love, which aside from being cheesy as fuck still kinda supports this notion.
 

OneSimpleAnime

King of Kaiju
Gildarts literally called God Serena small fry and one-shotted him. Natsu and several others were struggling with that same God Serena just before Gildarts showed up.
What, Gildarts had an extended bout with him lol. Also Natsu literally fought Zeref who is outright > the dude that treated Gildarts like trash in August.
Hes not
Laxus is still treated as a top tier
Hell Natsu hasn't even outright surpassed him outside of Amps
Natsu clashed with Selene in her dragon form and wasn’t completely dominated, plus he endured attacks from Acno while fucked up and in base far far better than any of the other DS. Literally only had use of 1 arm and still held up better than Laxus

Natsu has been the strongest person in the guild since the end of the Alvarez arc. Literally oneshot a dude that was making Brandish shit herself and then got another powerup right after.
 

OneSimpleAnime

King of Kaiju
You gotta be on crack if you think Erza and Laxus are above him, he was at their level after the 1 year timeskip and theyve barely gotten stronger since outside of Erza always pulling things out of her ass at the last minute
 

Rev97

Well-Known Member
What, Gildarts had an extended bout with him lol. Also Natsu literally fought Zeref who is outright > the dude that treated Gildarts like trash in August.

Natsu clashed with Selene in her dragon form and wasn’t completely dominated, plus he endured attacks from Acno while fucked up and in base far far better than any of the other DS. Literally only had use of 1 arm and still held up better than Laxus

Natsu has been the strongest person in the guild since the end of the Alvarez arc. Literally oneshot a dude that was making Brandish shit herself and then got another powerup right after.

Heres God Serena giving Natsu and co. trouble

Spoiler:








And Gildarts right afterwards making short work of God Serena. Besides a headbutt earlier, this is the entire fight.

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Also August? The one tied with Irene for strongest of the Spriggan who literally forced Natsu to flee despite being wounded?

Not fair to argue Gildarts struggling against a dude with the power to nullify any magic coming his way. August vs Gildarts is inconclusive too since once Gildarts figured out how to bypass August’s technique, the dude kinda just gives up from there and resorts to a suicide attack that kills him.

As it stands, Natsu is literally a child to the Dragon Gods.

Mercphobia was at half his power and still too much for Natsu’s entire group until Natsu got a huge power boost from Ignia, another Dragon God

Aldoron never got back to full strength and was defeated with a combined effort of the entire guild softening him up enough for Natsu to finish off.

Selene is revealed to have been holding back and letting herself be beaten against Suzaku, a Fifth generation Dragon Slayer who effortlessly defeated both Natsu and Erza at the same time and nearly killed them fighting him. And she proves this when she breaks out of capture and kill Suzaku’s Guild Master who was > Suzaku.

Your ignoring a lot of context with scaling Natsu in any way to the Dragon Gods to argue hes above Gildarts now
 
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Rev97

Well-Known Member
As it stands, Natsu, Erza, Laxus, Gajeel, etc. all seem roughly about equal to each other at least to the point where they can challenge one another.

Natsu had a throw down with a brainwashed Gajeel during the Aldoron arc and both were about evenly matched in their Flame-Lightning and Shadow-Iron Dragon Modes respectably to where both were exhausted afterwards



 

Yox

Well-Known Member
I thought it was made apparently clear that Base Natsu is still relative or below Laxus, Jellal & Erza tier characters unless he's in DF or his emotions have gone wild.
 
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