China’s plan to review every social media comment sparks fears

dr_shadow

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@dr_shadow has already talked on this and it is perhaps one of the worst aspects of China's dictatorship. You CAN'T leave, passports in China are issued only to well off businessmen and government officials that that presumably are also checked by the government for political reliability. Just leaving China is not a choice, you are FORCED to live there, even if you actually had the means of moving somewhere else.

thats factually false

This sounds like North Korea level. Also, it seems unlikely, and this is why. China is a very large country. In order to prevent people from leaving, the government would have to use a lot of resources to keep citizens with both the land borders of the nation and to keep people from getting on planes or boats.

the only way someone isn't allowed is indirect like they can't afford the passport, which let's be honest how many people in western countries can afford passports?

"Before 1978, China was pretty much closed to the outside world. Few Chinese citizens were allowed to travel to other countries. Those who did were either businessmen, government officials, or students. Taking a pleasure trip abroad was unthinkable unless it was disguised as a legitimate trip. All that began to change in the 1990s when China adopted a unique tourism policy. China’s Approved Destination Status (ADS) Policy allows overseas pleasure travel by its citizens in tightly controlled groups and only to countries (and territories) approved by the government. Tourist destinations around the world hailed this move. Imagine the world’s most populous country of more than 1.3 billion people spreading its growing wealth around the globe! Lost in the euphoria was the policy’s big limitation: Chinese citizens were not able to go where and how they wanted."

 

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"Before 1978, China was pretty much closed to the outside world. Few Chinese citizens were allowed to travel to other countries. Those who did were either businessmen, government officials, or students. Taking a pleasure trip abroad was unthinkable unless it was disguised as a legitimate trip. All that began to change in the 1990s when China adopted a unique tourism policy. China’s Approved Destination Status (ADS) Policy allows overseas pleasure travel by its citizens in tightly controlled groups and only to countries (and territories) approved by the government. Tourist destinations around the world hailed this move. Imagine the world’s most populous country of more than 1.3 billion people spreading its growing wealth around the globe! Lost in the euphoria was the policy’s big limitation: Chinese citizens were not able to go where and how they wanted."

"wanted" past tense hes implying Chinese people can't leave now, which isjust a silly statment
 

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China also claimed they made computers read men's minds to tell when they watch porn.
When I worked for Dish Network years ago dude got fired for telling a customer that our satellite receivers could read your thoughts and scaring them.

We also had multiple people so dumb that they thought shining their car lights at the dish would block the signal from stealing their dreams. I got more than one of these calls. One of them wanted money to replace their car battery because it was our fault it had to be on all night.

So maybe they believe that they can do this stuff over there.
 

hammer

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When I worked for Dish Network years ago dude got fired for telling a customer that our satellite receivers could read your thoughts and scaring them.

We also had multiple people so dumb that they thought shining their car lights at the dish would block the signal from stealing their dreams. I got more than one of these calls. One of them wanted money to replace their car battery because it was our fault it had to be on all night.

So maybe they believe that they can do this stuff over there.
just wear tinfoil
 

dr_shadow

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"wanted" past tense hes implying Chinese people can't leave now, which isjust a silly statment

You need to be from a first- or second-tier city* to do leisure travel outside the Mainland "individually". Otherwise you can only do so as part of a tour group.

Ethnic minorities also frequently have their passport applications rejected, because we're worried that they will run to Mongolia, Kazakhstan, or India.

I seem to recall that only about 15% of Mainland Chinese have passports, vs like 45% of Americans.

* The precise list of which cities are in which "tier" varies, but when they banned individual travel to Taiwan it was 47 cities. Mainland China has 293 cities, which means only 16% are open to individual outbound tourism. But of course, some of those have huge populations.
 
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hammer

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You need to be from a first- or second-tier city* to do leisure travel outside the Mainland "individually". Otherwise you can only do so as part of a tour group.

Ethnic minorities also frequently have their passport applications rejected, because we're worried that they will run to Mongolia, Kazakhstan, or India.

I seem to recall that only about 15% of Mainland Chinese have passports, vs like 45% of Americans.

* The precise list of which cities are in which "tier" varies, but when they banned individual travel to Taiwan it was 47 cities. Mainland China has 293 cities, which means only 16% are open to individual outbound tourism. But of course, some of those have huge populations.
the only reason Americans get passports is to vote, since nobody wants to drive.
 

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the only way someone isn't allowed is indirect like they can't afford the passport, which let's be honest how many people in western countries can afford passports?

Really? It's pretty cheap to get a passport 🤔
 

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Really? It's pretty cheap to get a passport 🤔
it's cheap yes, but traveling is not. like I used my passport to vote so I didn't get a driving license. if yo have a driving license you have no need for a passport.
 

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There are plenty of people here in Zhuhai who have never been to Macau, and people in Shenzhen who have never been to Hong Kong, because they don't meet the requirements for an "Exit-Entry Permit" (通行证). Usually because they're not natives of ZH or SZ but rather migrant workers from other cities.

I would assume that the bar for getting a passport for internationaltravel is even higher than the bar for getting an EEP.
 
China also claimed they made computers read men's minds to tell when they watch porn.
Well, I mean, in order to read brainwaves, they have to hook up special wires to your head, and some of those electrodes have to monitor your heart for some reason if they decide to monitor you for a long period of time. Furthermore, they can only monitor these brainwave patterns in a clinical (hospital) setting, because they're usually trying to find unusual brainwave patterns like seizure activity or (in a less likely scenario) repeated mini strokes. No, China has not made this kind of advancement in technology that can tell if a man is horny and wants to watch porn. That's simply not even in the realm of possibility at this time. :sauceskully
 

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The reason they're paranoid this year is that XJP will most likely run for a third term at the Party Congress this fall, which doesn't sit right with a lot of people.

While there was never a formal term limit on the Communist Party General Secretary, it was informally understood that the GS should not be elected to more than two 5-year terms, the same as the President. This has essentially held ever since the 1977 Congress that followed Mao's death, although Jiang Zemin in practice served 13 years (2.5 terms) because he had to jump in as "acting" General Secretary after Deng Xiaoping's puppet Zhao Ziyang was impeached in the wake of the 1989 Tian'anmen Incident.

When they amended the Constitution in 2018 to let the President serve more than two terms, a lot of people were mumbling under their breath that "this 'aint right..."

So you have to take every precaution to make sure the re-election goes smoothly.
 

creyzi4zb12

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I wouldn’t be surprised if it was doable. I mean, US sjws were able to do it. Including dig posts from 10 years ago (or more) to find dirt on somebody.
 

dr_shadow

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I wouldn’t be surprised if it was doable. I mean, US sjws were able to do it. Including dig posts from 10 years ago (or more) to find dirt on somebody.

The Four Stages of Apologism

1. Denial: "The accusation you're making is a lie."
2. Anger: "You're a racist and bigot for accusing China of this."
3. Bargaining: "Isn't America doing the same thing, or worse?"
4. Acceptance: "Alright, I concede that China has this one blemish. Nobody is perfect, right?"
 

creyzi4zb12

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The Four Stages of Apologism

1. Denial: "The accusation you're making is a lie."
2. Anger: "You're a racist and bigot for accusing China of this."
3. Bargaining: "Isn't America doing the same thing, or worse?"
4. Acceptance: "Alright, I concede that China has this one blemish. Nobody is perfect, right?"
As a wise man once said. It’s called juxtaposing.
 

creyzi4zb12

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It is good to see you have faith in your government. :catflowa
It’s a fear that I have that it will end up as bad as Twitter. That place has become a haven of sjw doxxers for ruining the life of anybody who does not share a common opinion.
 
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