Shiba D. Inu
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evil Kim was so hot
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Pilaf
The Man in the Rain
6x8 was goddamn stressful
I really believe at this point in their relationship Kim and Jimmy would die for one another.
Lalo was such an evil mastermind but Gus was one step ahead. He almost took a dirt nap himself, but Lalo's vlogging career got in the way.
Interesting to note how Mike was clearly disgusted in Howard's fate and the lies Kim and Jimmy had spread about him. It was convenient for the coverup but you could tell he didn't like it. He even told the goons to be gentle with the body.
Lyle's little Pollos song and the dollar general Gus body double were much-needed comic relief.
I really believe at this point in their relationship Kim and Jimmy would die for one another.
Lalo was such an evil mastermind but Gus was one step ahead. He almost took a dirt nap himself, but Lalo's vlogging career got in the way.
Interesting to note how Mike was clearly disgusted in Howard's fate and the lies Kim and Jimmy had spread about him. It was convenient for the coverup but you could tell he didn't like it. He even told the goons to be gentle with the body.
Lyle's little Pollos song and the dollar general Gus body double were much-needed comic relief.
Pilaf
The Man in the Rain
6x9 thoughts:
Yeah, I figured Kim and Jimmy would have to call it off at some point. I couldn't envision her being in his life during the events of BB.
Mike and Nacho's father had an episode-stealing scene there, and the old man was right. It never ends.
Very tense scenes at Don Eladio's and at the wake for Howard. RIP HHM as a law firm. Really the end of an era.
I don't have much else to say. It was a very good breather episode even if it was still very tense. Somehow this show manages to stay consistently more tense than BB did.
Of course, they do a time jump without really calling attention to it. Jimmy's going bald and living the high life, but somehow he seems poorer than he did before.
6x10
Ah, the other persona again. "Gene". And he's doing the old mutually assure destruction hustle to protect himself. Very smart. Not a ton to say here except great cinematography and a wonderful scheme. Slippin' Jimmy is always lurking just underneath the surface. Makes me wonder how he ends up getting caught since he seems to have covered all his bases with the department store theft scheme. Interesting how he distracted the security guard by tapping into real grief for his living situation, including having no wife and a dead brother.
Yeah, I figured Kim and Jimmy would have to call it off at some point. I couldn't envision her being in his life during the events of BB.
Mike and Nacho's father had an episode-stealing scene there, and the old man was right. It never ends.
Very tense scenes at Don Eladio's and at the wake for Howard. RIP HHM as a law firm. Really the end of an era.
I don't have much else to say. It was a very good breather episode even if it was still very tense. Somehow this show manages to stay consistently more tense than BB did.
Of course, they do a time jump without really calling attention to it. Jimmy's going bald and living the high life, but somehow he seems poorer than he did before.
6x10
Ah, the other persona again. "Gene". And he's doing the old mutually assure destruction hustle to protect himself. Very smart. Not a ton to say here except great cinematography and a wonderful scheme. Slippin' Jimmy is always lurking just underneath the surface. Makes me wonder how he ends up getting caught since he seems to have covered all his bases with the department store theft scheme. Interesting how he distracted the security guard by tapping into real grief for his living situation, including having no wife and a dead brother.
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Aduro
Definitely not a villain.
I think the impressive part is Jimmy's con-artistry afterwards. No way are they going to jail a guy for first offence robbery if he rats out a leader of one of the most notorious meth rings in the USA.
Jeff could just tell the cops that Jimmmy threatened his mother to make him steal. But Saul knew his mark and played him so well he didn't question it.
Pilaf
The Man in the Rain
Ahhh I think I see what's going to happen after 6x11
He gave the old lady the internet and taught her how to Google, and there was a throwaway line on the phone with Francesca about checking the internet for news about Saul Goodman and the whole blue meth thing. I'm guessing the old lady's gonna get suspicious and turn him in because of the dog barking bringing her attention to the scam.
I'm also guessing the guy with cancer either died or will wake up. There'll be some complication. Breaking the glass was a sloppy desperation move. Jimmy's being an ass. It's like he wants to be caught.
I do enjoy the little scam he's running to a certain degree. Reminds me of Marco. He's even wearing his ring during these escapades. RIP Marco.
The callbacks to BB definitely had deeper meaning. They show how devastated he was at losing Kim and how desperate he was to fill that void in his life. His conversation with the security guard in 6x10 also brought up his grief, which he never properly dealt with. He had a bad time on the phone trying to get Kim so I'm guessing 6x12 will involve him trying to meet up with her or something. It's called "waterworks" and she works at a water place now, so that's my guess. I will find out tomorrow. Almost done with this show...
He gave the old lady the internet and taught her how to Google, and there was a throwaway line on the phone with Francesca about checking the internet for news about Saul Goodman and the whole blue meth thing. I'm guessing the old lady's gonna get suspicious and turn him in because of the dog barking bringing her attention to the scam.
I'm also guessing the guy with cancer either died or will wake up. There'll be some complication. Breaking the glass was a sloppy desperation move. Jimmy's being an ass. It's like he wants to be caught.
I do enjoy the little scam he's running to a certain degree. Reminds me of Marco. He's even wearing his ring during these escapades. RIP Marco.
The callbacks to BB definitely had deeper meaning. They show how devastated he was at losing Kim and how desperate he was to fill that void in his life. His conversation with the security guard in 6x10 also brought up his grief, which he never properly dealt with. He had a bad time on the phone trying to get Kim so I'm guessing 6x12 will involve him trying to meet up with her or something. It's called "waterworks" and she works at a water place now, so that's my guess. I will find out tomorrow. Almost done with this show...
Pilaf
The Man in the Rain
Finally finished the series. Had to watch the final two episodes back to back.
Two very tense moments in 6x12 where he was actually about to attempt to kill two different people, but Carol Burnett's character finally reminded him that he's Jimmy and not Saul. He's the good man who tried to help elderly people, so he hesitated, and that's what got him.
6x13 was an incredible piece of TV if there ever was one, and I can't add much that other people haven't gone around already. I noticed the differences between how Mike and Walt approached the time machine question, and how it ended like those old black and white movies Jimmy and Kim always watched together. Somehow despite getting 86 years in prison, I think he won in the end, because he finally overcame Slippin' Jimmy and felt remorse. In a way, he went back in time and fixed that bum knee. The big, scary tough guys in prison all seem to be on his side because of all the help he gave their buddies over the years, too, so he probably won't get shanked in the shower.
Two very tense moments in 6x12 where he was actually about to attempt to kill two different people, but Carol Burnett's character finally reminded him that he's Jimmy and not Saul. He's the good man who tried to help elderly people, so he hesitated, and that's what got him.
6x13 was an incredible piece of TV if there ever was one, and I can't add much that other people haven't gone around already. I noticed the differences between how Mike and Walt approached the time machine question, and how it ended like those old black and white movies Jimmy and Kim always watched together. Somehow despite getting 86 years in prison, I think he won in the end, because he finally overcame Slippin' Jimmy and felt remorse. In a way, he went back in time and fixed that bum knee. The big, scary tough guys in prison all seem to be on his side because of all the help he gave their buddies over the years, too, so he probably won't get shanked in the shower.
Aduro
Definitely not a villain.
Also Saul is a former lawyer, even if he obviously can't practice law, he can probably give inmates good advice for their parole hearings. Whatever persona Jimmy has, he never lost his charisma.
Pilaf
The Man in the Rain
He also really cares about people deep down inside and wants to do good, as we saw with the Sandpiper case and a few other glimpses throughout the series. He's a slimy, greedy asshole who will never change, but that's not all he is.
VoiceofLogic
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After watching the Epilogue EP, I felt like El Camino could be made as a Mini-Series after BCS is wrapped up instead of a one-and-done movie. A true perfect ending to BB saga.
What's nice is that that Breaking Bad+El Camino is 62+1 episodes, while Better Call Saul is 63 episodes. They intentionally made it symmetrical.
So if you do more spin-offs, they would also have to add up to 63 eps.
VoiceofLogic
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Certainly not a coincidence. Vince has carefully planned it all out before releasing those EPs.
Pilaf
The Man in the Rain
I wanna take a moment to appreciate Jeff, especially the recast version in season 6. He gets a lot of hate but he has some of the funniest goddamn moments of the entire show for my tastes. Very simple slapstick stuff but it slays. Slipping on the recently buffed floor and panic-driving away from the cops eating their lunch sends me. He's like a goddamn Looney Tunes character.
Ruthless Tsuchikage
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That said Howard also waved off Kim's student loan even if he didn't have to. And confided in her about Chuck and Jimmy in season 1.
Ruthless Tsuchikage
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I found it a very satisfying scene. For a long time I didn't like how BCS seemed a bit too impressed with Mike. But in this scene Nacho's father spells out that Mike really isn't as noble as he likes to portray himself. And this description fits with what we've seen of Mike. Mike wants to believe he's an enlightened criminal, a better breed of criminal who adheres to a code, but he really isn't. In the earlier seasons Mike accepted, even demanded a very lucrative deal to keep the peace with the Salamancas, then ruthlessly renegaded on this part of the deal just because he didn't like them. Season 1 of course revealed Mike was a corrupt cop long before he ever set foot in Albuquerque. Mike also serves Gus who isn't really all that different from the Salamancas, which Mike at times sees glimpses of.
Mike being a hypocrite fits with the sort of world Albuquerque is. Because every criminal who tells themselves and others they're a better breed of criminal ultimately ends up being delusional. Gus insists he's a better sort of criminal and that the cartel are animals, but Gus too has a sadistic, downright psychotic side that he unleashes when pressed enough. And the only real difference between them is how much it takes to trigger this side. Walt too thinks he's a better sort of criminal and we all know how that turns out. This line of thinking even blurs into the non criminal world. Chuck thinks similarly, viewing himself as a noble lawyer when in reality he's vindictive and probably more concerned with his ego than his clients. And Kim defines herself by her pro bono work, probably thinking it redeems some of her more shadier actions, but the final season makes it clear that if given the choice between helping people or hurting them, Kim takes the second option without even a moment of doubt.
Jon Snow
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I don't know if this qualifies as "silver lining" but he went out on his own terms after basically talking shit to everybody
And everyone there had terrible deaths
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Ivan
Thats spot on the whole point of mike in this show. Theres really no such thing as good criminals. Mike is dead inside by the time of breaking bad and will do anything to make money for his family. His rant to Walt before he dies is mike admitting and taking his frustration out on walt that he had to take a plunge on his code to make money. Walt made that pointless by ruining the operation and taking on gus which mike would never have done but you could clearly see he wanted to after he had nacho killed. BCS really added amazing context to mike's character
Pilaf
The Man in the Rain
Most of these characters "in the game" are fatally flawed at some level. The only people in the show who turn out to be truly likeable or at least redeemable are those who never got involved, like Howard or Nacho's dad. All of the criminals try way too hard to justify what they do and it's flimsy. Walt in particular is insufferable in a lot of ways. He's a goddamn genius but he's so petty and obsessive over stupid shit to stroke his ego and feel important. The scene in the finale of BCS where he tears apart a water heater and keeps Saul up all night over a tiny clicking noise is a prime example. It's a perfect metaphor for all the times in BB where he makes things harder on himself, like how he couldn't keep his big mouth shut when Hank thought Gale was Heisenberg.
And he got Kim back in a way
Pilaf
The Man in the Rain
In the only realistic manner he could, yes. He got her respect again anyway. She remembered why she loved him. He could have gotten a cushy 7 years by throwing her under the bus but instead he sacrificed himself for her sake, in a grandiose fashion only Saul Goodman could pull off. It mirrors the scene early in the series where he easily convinces these guys to hire him, then mocks them for it and refuses the job. He talked them down to 7 years with ice cream just because he could, but he let it go for her.