Becoming a Hawk is not becoming good.It's related to Uchiha powers and Madara's plans

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i saw some ppl talking that sasuke will not become a hawk because he did not recuse to use the snake powers...think about that:

now that the snake is out, sasuke will need to rely on his own powers, uchiha powers, wanting or not, there is no orochimaru inside to use anymore, orochimaru coming out means pretty much sasuke becoming a hawk

madara's plans are working pretty well, madara is not talking about sasuke have his ephifany and figure out about his friends, we just thought that it would be a way to actually become a hawk...but now i just see that its all about power, madara does not want something good for sasuke, he wants something that will make his plans succeed:

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when he talked about things moving right along, he was talking about sasuke and his sharingan, and the chances of him actually become the hawk that he wants, thats all about power, uchiha powers, in a coincidence, uchiha's are probably related to bird-like creatures:




madara has plans with sasuke, perhaps not only his eyes, but all the powers that he can have being one uchiha, i just know that, there is something more about, since itachi is an uchiha too, if madara just wanted one uchiha with ems, why talk about sasuke so?

the one difference that i can see now, is that sasuke was the one that lived with hate all this time(and i dont know why, did not kill anyone until now), because of the uchiha massacre, that would relate the reason of madara helping in the uchiha massacre and actually wanting sasuke, not itachi...

this fight is pretty much the division between the good and bad path that sasuke is about to take, since sasuke is a grey character, if sasuke becoming a hawk is related to uchiha, and madara actually wants that, probably is because its a bad path, the uchiha power is not something good, we can see that...

that is why we have madara x konoha, while itachi x sasuke, its a fight between what naruto wants, and what madara wants...

naruto wants sasuke's return to the good side, madara, wanting sasuke to become a hawk, is sasuke to follow the uchiha powers, and perhaps the way to get power, perhaps killing itachi, since that would probably work with his plans and make sasuke obtain a kind of power that he wants(perhaps he would obtain that before kill itachi, awakening something according with the plan), would be sasuke going to the bad side, wanting or not

fugaku told sasuke to not follow itachi's path, but someway he already did that, itachi told him to hate, and the uchiha massacre is pretty much a way to break bonds, from itachi's side, killing itachi would seal the fact that sasuke took the same way as itachi, and he will pay for that

sasuke thinks that not follow itachi's path is not kill his best friend for power, and use the other ppl's life from that too:

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but in the end the path of revenge and hate will make him just like itachi...he will end up killing his own brother...(my only hope is sasuke figure that out, before, but its hard...he is "blind")


the one way to naruto "win" the fight with madara right now is appearing in the hideout and convincing sasuke to not kill itachi(not killing itachi in sasuke's place, how everyone wants :facepalm)...the big problem is that sasuke has no choice anymore, since itachi would be after his eyes forever(the funny thing is that...in the hawk - crow history, the hawk does not kill the crow, he just wins the mouse, and the crow will follow the hawk and try to steal his mouse forever), and madara will not leave him in peace, its the same thing as naruto x orochimaru for sasuke:

- naruto tried to hinder sasuke to go to orochimaru;
- he failed;
- sasuke went to orochimaru's hands;
- but defeated orochimaru in the end;

sasuke not going to orochimaru would never happen, since orochimaru would go after him forever, but he went at his own will

- if naruto now will try to hinder sasuke to kill itachi;
- he probably will fail;
- sasuke will be at madara's hands(probably forced);
- but this time he will probably not have power to kill madara, so, he will need naruto

madara's plans with sasuke not succeeding, perhaps will never happen, itachi would go after sasuke's eyes forever, and madara would go after him because of his plans forever, and this time sasuke will take a big lesson, since for orochimaru he went at his own will, to madara he will probably be forced

sasuke did not respect konoha's feeling for sandaime's death when he went to orochimaru, now he will need to work in the plans from the one that probably was the master mind of the uchiha massacre.



all the foreshadow of naruto+sasuke x someone, will be to madara, both have problems with him:

the uchiha massacre and yondaime's death, itachi wanting sasuke's eyes, and all what he did to him, naruto suffering all the prejudice because of the kyuubi, pein killing jiraya and going after naruto...

these problems that will only be reinforced with the fate that madara has both naruto and sasuke in his plans, madara is about to give sasuke and naruto even more reasons to hate him XP


probably sasuke will be with madara during the time that naruto go to train with the keys, it will help kishimoto develop madara as a villain, and sasuke's feeling, naruto will train with the keys motivated to save sasuke from the hands of the man that this time, sasuke will be forced to be with, the man that is the reason of sasuke's and naruto's disgrace


and since this time sasuke will not want to be with the "villain", he will need naruto's help, because before, he wanted to be with orochimaru for power, and recused naruto's help.

kishimoto will work with the irony, sasuke did not need to be saved by naruto about orochimaru, he could do that by his own, but now sasuke perhaps will think that he can, but he cant defeat madara(probably we will have sasuke x madara round 1), and he will need naruto(probably only one jutsu with the kyuubi can defeat madara), we will have the sasuke+naruto x madara fight


sasuke will need his bond with naruto after all :zaru

ps: even perhaps obtaining the max uchiha power(ems or whatever), sasuke will not being capable of kill madara, sasuke is power hungry, if he thinks that he needs more power, he will go after that, the power to kill madara will need to be something different, probably using the kyuubi, that is why sasuke will need naruto ^^
 
I dont care if hes a instrument for Madara or evil. I just want to see him with Hawk power.
 
What if Naruto ends up owning Madara/Tobi, that would be funny.:amuse

I hope Sasuke keeps using snake jutsu. Sucks he doesn't have the king snake to call anymore.
 
Um, couldn't read the whole thing I was a little lazy and pressed for time, but if you're saying is what I believe. Then you are correct, Sasuke unlocking his "Hawk" abilities isn't exactly meaning he'll turn to either side he'll just begin to start tapping into what he's fully capable of.
 
Dropped some nice knowledge in this thread. I agree for the most part. That being said, i still dont think sasuke will transcend to a hawk before the fight is over.
 
ty guys :D


i found another thought that being a hawk is far from actually return to konoha...when i made my first theory i thought that, but not ;.;...

a hawk is strong because they are not dependent:



"The other line, the one about “you communal people” is even more bothersome because it would seem to imply that most people aren’t as noble as a hawk because they depend on each other. I suppose that would mean that wolves are inferior to hawks, too, because they run in packs. Or that a Red-Tail Hawk is superior to a crow because crows flock together."

its incredible to see how sasuke even thinks like a hawk...its not the snake thought, its the hawk thought...what made sasuke a snake, was probably orochimaru's powers only
 
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hmm..an interesting thread to say the least.

I agree...Sasuke is now in Madara's hands...the question here is when Itachi dies...will he help Sasuke or will he just turn out to be evil?

If Itachi is evil...then I won't like it much...I say that because that means that Sasuke will have done exactly what Madara wanted.

I want Itachi to be good for this reason:

I want him to be good to put a dent into Madara's plan...and I want Naruto to be the one who will put the other dent in...

If Itachi is truly evil then....Naruto will do all the saving...and Sasuke would have been a PAWN the whole time. That is something I don't like. I don't care how great Sasuke will become and how he will defy Madara in the end...I want to see him be his own character. I think that if and only if Itachi is good than Sasuke will realize that he has been wrong and that he needs to take out Madara+help. I want him to realize that he was wrong so I can see him try to become better on good terms and not be a total gimme pig.

Anyway...nice thread.
 
I still can't get over what Madara said actually being interepretted as an actual power-up by some people. Where did this shit come from? And if you mean by Sasuke gaining some "hidden" power out of the blue after actually being "out" of chakra, then you can call it "hawk" powers in the guise of Plot no Jutsu...
 
I still can't get over what Madara said actually being interepretted as an actual power-up by some people. Where did this shit come from? And if you mean by Sasuke gaining some "hidden" power out of the blue after actually being "out" of chakra, then you can call it "hawk" powers in the guise of Plot no Jutsu...
its not like that...its because...the main of the sasuke fans think that there is a plan, a big plan, with sasuke and his eyes, i cannot deny that the fate that madara helped itachi to kill the clan, but left itachi leave sasuke alive, to get the ems, is strange, one ninja like madara would never do that

and now we just see pein asking madara about sasuke, and madara talking about sasuke's development like something good, for the akatsuki plans, come on, its at least denial, since pein told the akatsuki guys to take care about sasuke and his team, because they could ruim the akatsuki plans
 
its not like that...its because...the main of the sasuke fans think that there is a plan, a big plan, with sasuke and his eyes, i cannot deny that the fate that madara helped itachi to kill the clan, but left itachi leave sasuke alive, to get the ems, is strange, one ninja like madara would never do that

and now we just see pein asking madara about sasuke, and madara talking about sasuke's development like something good, for the akatsuki plans, come on, its at least denial, since pein told the akatsuki guys to take care about sasuke and his team, because they could ruim the akatsuki plans

Well...the thing here is....does Pain do everything as Madara says? It seems that Pain and Madara have slightly different plans. Somewhere down the line there might be someone thing that changes....who knows.
 
I don't think there is any transcending to be done... the Hawk thing is simply figurative... he will have some kind of epiphany or something. Overall nice read and good effort, it was well thought out and informative
 
I don't think there is any transcending to be done... the Hawk thing is simply figurative... he will have some kind of epiphany or something. Overall nice read and good effort, it was well thought out and informative

I agree. *randomly imagines Sasuke turning into some weird version of the Pigeon Man* lol my imagination's getting a lttle outta control...:huh
 
great read, i do hope you are right for the most part. Naruto and sasuke vs madara would be great, but the only thing that you never mentioned, i know it isn't going along with your thread, it the pein fight. Will both of them fight pein or will that just be naruto. Either way i liked your thread, and agree with just about all of what you said.
 
Who cares about the sauce! wheres the juice(naruto)?

juice and sauce all the way!!

its like tango and cash all over again
 
Very good thread... was particularly struck by this statement "its a fight between what naruto wants, and what madara wants..." and by your follow up to this. Excellent thoughts.
 
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