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Brainsucker

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Yes, you can call me stupid or nerd / fool / noob. I just want to ask some questions that I don't understand :

1. If it was sharingan that Orochimaru needed, why does he bother to teach Sasuke with everything he got? Why not just kill him and collect his eyes? As Sharingan can be transplanted to another people and can be develop to the level of Mangekyou Sharingan (like Kakashi did)

2. If it was Sasuke body he need, why Orochimaru tought Sasuke a lot of thing and make him strong? Why not just keep him in the jail and wait until he needed a new body? Isn't it just give him more trouble as he know that Sasuke is some troublesome guy who hard to be controled?

3. If he is Sasuke's sensei, how can't he resist or counter Sasuke's genjutsu? because he must has already aware of it before their showdown in his lair

4. If Minato had times to split Kyuubi chakra into two kind of chakra (yin and yang) plus put the yang into his child, then he should have already defeat Kyuubi or at least has already able to make the fox cease to resist. So why did he needs to call Shiki Fuujin to seal the Yin and make himself dead? Why don't just put the ying into himself with some kind of Jinchuuriki creation technique?

5. if Mandara has already become so powerful and able to do everything he like, why did he need Sasuke? but throwing Itachi and kill the other?

that's it
Please, forgive me for my bad english, as english is not my mother language
 
Well this is manga and Kishi-sama is a bad writer i think most of his ideas get shut down so we have to settle for this shit
 
Brainsucker said:
Yes, you can call me stupid or nerd / fool / noob. I just want to ask some questions that I don't understand :

1. If it was sharingan that Orochimaru needed, why does he bother to teach Sasuke with everything he got? Why not just kill him and collect his eyes? As Sharingan can be transplanted to another people and can be develop to the level of Mangekyou Sharingan (like Kakashi did)

2. If it was Sasuke body he need, why Orochimaru tought Sasuke a lot of thing and make him strong? Why not just keep him in the jail and wait until he needed a new body? Isn't it just give him more trouble as he know that Sasuke is some troublesome guy who hard to be controled?

3. If he is Sasuke's sensei, how can't he resist or counter Sasuke's genjutsu? because he must has already aware of it before their showdown in his lair

4. If Minato had times to split Kyuubi chakra into two kind of chakra (yin and yang) plus put the yang into his child, then he should have already defeat Kyuubi or at least has already able to make the fox cease to resist. So why did he needs to call Shiki Fuujin to seal the Yin and make himself dead? Why don't just put the ying into himself with some kind of Jinchuuriki creation technique?

5. if Mandara has already become so powerful and able to do everything he like, why did he need Sasuke? but throwing Itachi and kill the other?

that's it
Please, forgive me for my bad english, as english is not my mother language
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1. The Sharingan is a huge chakra drain for someone without Uchiha blood.

2. Plot reasons.

3. He didn't really have a body anymore to cancel to jutsu, like he tried to do against Itachi. There was really no way to to escape without having the Sharingan.

4. I think the whole splitting the chakra thing was all a part of the Shiki Fuujin technique. He put half inside of Naruto so he could use it to defeat Madara.

5. Madara is a pathetic shell of his former self. Besides he's not strong enough to do whatever he likes. He tried that against Shodai and Yondaime and failed both times.
 
orochimaru needs an uchiha BODY to properly develop and use sharingan eyes.

he trained sasuke i guess for the sake of his new body being ready right away? also i dont know why he didnt keep sasuke in a jail he probably should have.

why did sasuke trap him? oro seemed happy to be "trapped"

why does madara need sasuke? we h ave no idea if he even does yet
 
/\ Agrees pretty much with King Scoop's post.

Brainsucker said:
2. If it was Sasuke body he need, why Orochimaru tought Sasuke a lot of thing and make him strong? Why not just keep him in the jail and wait until he needed a new body? Isn't it just give him more trouble as he know that Sasuke is some troublesome guy who hard to be controled?
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Orochimaru wanted a strong body; he was perfectly fine with giving Sasuke power as he'd done the same thing with others in the past with no major problems. Plus he was arrogant enough to believe he couldn't be beaten by Sasuke.
 
Brainsucker said:
Yes, you can call me stupid or nerd / fool / noob. I just want to ask some questions that I don't understand :

1. If it was sharingan that Orochimaru needed, why does he bother to teach Sasuke with everything he got? Why not just kill him and collect his eyes? As Sharingan can be transplanted to another people and can be develop to the level of Mangekyou Sharingan (like Kakashi did)

2. If it was Sasuke body he need, why Orochimaru tought Sasuke a lot of thing and make him strong? Why not just keep him in the jail and wait until he needed a new body? Isn't it just give him more trouble as he know that Sasuke is some troublesome guy who hard to be controled?

3. If he is Sasuke's sensei, how can't he resist or counter Sasuke's genjutsu? because he must has already aware of it before their showdown in his lair

4. If Minato had times to split Kyuubi chakra into two kind of chakra (yin and yang) plus put the yang into his child, then he should have already defeat Kyuubi or at least has already able to make the fox cease to resist. So why did he needs to call Shiki Fuujin to seal the Yin and make himself dead? Why don't just put the ying into himself with some kind of Jinchuuriki creation technique?

5. if Mandara has already become so powerful and able to do everything he like, why did he need Sasuke? but throwing Itachi and kill the other?

that's it
Please, forgive me for my bad english, as english is not my mother language
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1. The stronger and more skilled the body Orochimaru absorbs the more strength + skills Orochimaru will have when he takes their bodies. Like say if Orochimaru took Sasuke's body after Sasuke learned Kirin. Orochimaru could use Kirin, etc.

3. Orochimaru thought that he could beat Sasuke's genjutsu as long as Sasuke did not have Mangekyou Sharingan. That's why Orochimaru prevents Sasuke from finishing off Team 7. Orochimaru knew if Sasuke killed Naruto he would get Mangekyou Sharingan and Orochimaru wouldn't be able to take his body.

4. When the 3rd Hokage seals the 1st and 2nd Hokage's and Orochimaru's jutsus you can see a seal appear.

5. If you look at old pictures of Madara, he looks different. He used to be bigger. Other than that, I don't feel like saying even if I did know--which I don't.

; x
 
^Ninjutsu like kirin are learned and dependant on knowledge and skill.
Oro could probably use it without ever having even met Sasuke- he just had to think it up.

Oro does'nt care about the Mangekou SHaringan and might not even know that much about it. If you are think that Itacii defeated him with Tsuyukomi you are wrong- his eyes are clearly like a regular Sharingan. It was just a normal (but powerful) Genjutsu used to defeat him. And he was still going to break out anyway before Itachi cut off his hand.
 
1. If it was sharingan that Orochimaru needed, why does he bother to teach Sasuke with everything he got? Why not just kill him and collect his eyes? As Sharingan can be transplanted to another people and can be develop to the level of Mangekyou Sharingan (like Kakashi did)

2. If it was Sasuke body he need, why Orochimaru tought Sasuke a lot of thing and make him strong? Why not just keep him in the jail and wait until he needed a new body? Isn't it just give him more trouble as he know that Sasuke is some troublesome guy who hard to be controled?

3. If he is Sasuke's sensei, how can't he resist or counter Sasuke's genjutsu? because he must has already aware of it before their showdown in his lair

4. If Minato had times to split Kyuubi chakra into two kind of chakra (yin and yang) plus put the yang into his child, then he should have already defeat Kyuubi or at least has already able to make the fox cease to resist. So why did he needs to call Shiki Fuujin to seal the Yin and make himself dead? Why don't just put the ying into himself with some kind of Jinchuuriki creation technique?

5. if Mandara has already become so powerful and able to do everything he like, why did he need Sasuke? but throwing Itachi and kill the other?
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1. The only think I can think of for this one is that, Kabuto must not have known how to do the transplant for the Sharingans, or maybe Sasuke's Sharingan was weak at the time.

2. I am thinking that Orochimaru wanted Sasuke's body to be at it's prime. Keeping it jailed will cause it to get weaker.

3. He may be Sasuke's sensei, but still they never all out fought against each other.

4. Minato lacked the chakra to do so ?

5. Madara isn't powerful anymore.


Anyways good questions.
 
Brainsucker said:
Yes, you can call me stupid or nerd / fool / noob. I just want to ask some questions that I don't understand :
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No questions are stupid questions. :amuse

1. If it was sharingan that Orochimaru needed, why does he bother to teach Sasuke with everything he got? Why not just kill him and collect his eyes? As Sharingan can be transplanted to another people and can be develop to the level of Mangekyou Sharingan (like Kakashi did)
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It is possible that Kabuto did not have the skills to do so, but also Orochimaru seeked immortality and this alone would not give him immortality. He could take the eyes and switch bodies I suppose, but it has been seen that the sharingan works best with an Uchiha body.

2. If it was Sasuke body he need, why Orochimaru tought Sasuke a lot of thing and make him strong? Why not just keep him in the jail and wait until he needed a new body? Isn't it just give him more trouble as he know that Sasuke is some troublesome guy who hard to be controled?
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He wanted to make Sasuke?s body more able to the jutsus and such that he himself knew so that when he was taken as Orochimaru?s new body it would make for easier transition. Making Sasuke stay in a cell would significantly decrease his physical shape as well as Sasuke would comply with such and would not let Orochimaru do so.

3. If he is Sasuke's sensei, how can't he resist or counter Sasuke's genjutsu? because he must has already aware of it before their showdown in his lair
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Sasuke must have known of Orohcimaru?s plans and he did not always train with Orochimaru, he also trained on his own. But he did not learn from his mistakes with ITachi as Deidara did, he was only ambitious.

4. If Minato had times to split Kyuubi chakra into two kind of chakra (yin and yang) plus put the yang into his child, then he should have already defeat Kyuubi or at least has already able to make the fox cease to resist. So why did he needs to call Shiki Fuujin to seal the Yin and make himself dead? Why don't just put the ying into himself with some kind of Jinchuuriki creation technique?
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Yang chakra was sealed within Naruto, while the Yin chakra with the Shiki Fuujin. It is possible that Naruto may later have access to the yin chakra, perhaps it involves the key. There is reason why is sealed with the Shiki Fuujin.

5. if Mandara has already become so powerful and able to do everything he like, why did he need Sasuke? but throwing Itachi and kill the other?
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He sees potential in Sasuke and wishes him to become a hawk. His exact intentions are unknown yet, but he is watching Sasuke?s development.
 
masamune1 said:
^Ninjutsu like kirin are learned and dependant on knowledge and skill.
Oro could probably use it without ever having even met Sasuke- he just had to think it up.

Oro does'nt care about the Mangekou SHaringan and might not even know that much about it. If you are think that Itacii defeated him with Tsuyukomi you are wrong- his eyes are clearly like a regular Sharingan. It was just a normal (but powerful) Genjutsu used to defeat him. And he was still going to break out anyway before Itachi cut off his hand.
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That's kind of like saying... anyone could use Amaterasu or Flying Thunder God or any of those signature techniques if they just "think it up." Who wants to take Sasuke's body and spend 6 months to a year to however long developing jutsus like Kirin when you can let the host do it for you? ; x

1. Itachi has the habit of activating his mangekyou sharingan 24/7. Therefore the only way Itachi couldn't have used his MS is if Orochimaru tried to take his body before Itachi killed Shisui.

2. I'm not buying this "Orochimaru was breaking out of Itachi's genjutsu," thing. If Orochimaru could have br0ken it, why didn't he just break it & take Itachi's body? It's not like he really cares about his hand considering the way he seems able to heal / regenerate.

No, Orochimaru knew he couldn't beat Itachi's genjutsu. Them's the breaks, kid.
 
Brainsucker said:
Yes, you can call me stupid or nerd / fool / noob. I just want to ask some questions that I don't understand :

1. If it was sharingan that Orochimaru needed, why does he bother to teach Sasuke with everything he got? Why not just kill him and collect his eyes? As Sharingan can be transplanted to another people and can be develop to the level of Mangekyou Sharingan (like Kakashi did)

2. If it was Sasuke body he need, why Orochimaru tought Sasuke a lot of thing and make him strong? Why not just keep him in the jail and wait until he needed a new body? Isn't it just give him more trouble as he know that Sasuke is some troublesome guy who hard to be controled?

3. If he is Sasuke's sensei, how can't he resist or counter Sasuke's genjutsu? because he must has already aware of it before their showdown in his lair

4. If Minato had times to split Kyuubi chakra into two kind of chakra (yin and yang) plus put the yang into his child, then he should have already defeat Kyuubi or at least has already able to make the fox cease to resist. So why did he needs to call Shiki Fuujin to seal the Yin and make himself dead? Why don't just put the ying into himself with some kind of Jinchuuriki creation technique?

5. if Mandara has already become so powerful and able to do everything he like, why did he need Sasuke? but throwing Itachi and kill the other?

that's it
Please, forgive me for my bad english, as english is not my mother language
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1. He can't do that cause that would do to him what it does to Kakashi. It would limit his abilities and chakra. Effectively he would have to walk around blinder than a bat most of the time.

2. The reason for this is because of the soul transfer technique. When transfering the soul something of the new host always survives, and this can be a very big advantage as the body orochi is entering can be familiar with the jutsus and such. Its basically about giving the body the experience that orochis mind already possess so orochi can skip the re-training all the time.

3. Because genjutsu and sharingan are two sides of a coin. Both are in the large sense genjutsu, but sharingans bloodline ability is presumably a stronger than average genjutsu and it can't be learned by an outsider and since it actually enters the soul (seen when Sasuke visits the Kyuubi inside Naruto) its harder to counter. Tsukiyomi is the same deal, it affects the soul, not the mind like regular genjutsu.

4. Minato didn't split the chakra in the sense you think. Both sides are stored within naruto and the good chakra in the not so good kyuubi was to be released and mixed with narutos own chakra while the bad chakra was to be sealed inside.
The shiki fuuin was needed to at all be able to get the chakra out. The chakra is related to the soul from what we can see. (seeing as orochi was unable to use jutsu since his hands was sealed shut) He had to pull it out before he could seal it. And in the process the user dies.

5. Seemingly Madaras last defeat (when kyuubi was sealed) did something to him (yet to be confirmed but thats my guess) that made him lose his power and this is where sasuke comes into play. Itachi is a pawn he uses so that one of the two can get EMS and my guess is maybe take back the EMS he might have lost for some reason (again just my theory) Itachi did say he was a shell of his former self but that can mean a whole lot of things. The guy is still shrouded in secrecy.
 
newb :pek

why would oro do that when he can wait two years until sasuke is a threat and he's caughing up blood on his death bed? Why take the easy way out?
 
Ehmm... about the question number 3. Do you remember about the scene where Sai went to Orochimaru lair and trapped in Genjutsu by sharingan?

Plus, Sasuke angry to Orochimaru because Orochimaru left him to met Sasori and didn't thought him new jutsu?

These are the proof that Orochimaru had aware about the Sharingan genjutsu, and Sasuke's archievement with that skill. So, as a master of shinobi, and a genius who had a lot of experience, how can he be so stupid to neglect the need of counter measure / security for himself?
 
XEro SenninX said:
That's kind of like saying... anyone could use Amaterasu or Flying Thunder God or any of those signature techniques if they just "think it up." Who wants to take Sasuke's body and spend 6 months to a year to however long developing jutsus like Kirin when you can let the host do it for you? ; x
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There are two types of Ninjutsu: the ones based on your own personal knowledge, and the ones based on your own personal abilities, or physical attributes. The first type of Jutsu can be performed by anyone.

Amateratsu is a Jutsu that can only be used via MS; it is the latter.
Kirin is a Jutsu you perform by firing katon into the air and then controlling it with your Chakra; it's the former because it works based on your knowledge and skill, not your physical capabilities.

Orochimaru does'nt need to take Sasuke to perform Kirin; he just has to practice and understand what he is tryign to do; that's why he wants the Sharingan in the first place- it is a Jutsu he coud do himself if he just knows how.

He would need to take Itachi, or at least his Eyes, if he wants to perform Amateratsu, but in the same way he would need to take...say, Yamato, if he wants to perform Mokuton.

Kirin is not the same type of Jutsu as those two (and yes, same with Flying Thunder God- he just needs to know understand it in order to be able to do it).

1. Itachi has the habit of activating his mangekyou sharingan 24/7. Therefore the only way Itachi couldn't have used his MS is if Orochimaru tried to take his body before Itachi killed Shisui.
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Well, there are a few threads out there that show that he was actually 11 when he beat ORochimaru;a full two years before the Massacre. So that's possible.

But he does'nt have it activated 24/7 and that's the silliest comment I've ever heard. It's even stressed that the more he has it on the faster his Eyes go Blind.

He did'nt have it on then- if you don't believe me, I'll post the entire match after I deal with your next Comment.

2. I'm not buying this "Orochimaru was breaking out of Itachi's genjutsu," thing. If Orochimaru could have br0ken it, why didn't he just break it & take Itachi's body? It's not like he really cares about his hand considering the way he seems able to heal / regenerate.

No, Orochimaru knew he couldn't beat Itachi's genjutsu. Them's the breaks, kid.
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The 2nd page is the most important:

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Oro has been trapped in a Paralysing Genjutsu (please note that- it's not MS because then it would have been Tsuyukomi, and he would have been n a far worse position).

Itachi adds to the Illusion various Stakes piercign Orochimaru's body.

Oro starts to raise his Hands (this is where he would be about to break out of the Genjutsu), and Itachi cuts it off: the bottom right-hand corner shows his hand- Oro's ring is on his Left Pinkie; Itachi's on the right Ring Finger.
This also proves that it was Oro raising his Hands in the top-left panel, and not Itachi.

Orochimaru's Regeneration powers stem from year of self-experimentation.
He simply did'nt have them back then, and he was'nt as much of a Freak. But he clearly does care about it, considering he still keeps it around his lair:

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Not caring about his hand; please.


Oro could have beaten Itachi's Genjutus; Itachi was just fast enouh to realise this and, therefore, act accordingly.

Brainsucker said:
Ehmm... about the question number 3. Do you remember about the scene where Sai went to Orochimaru lair and trapped in Genjutsu by sharingan?

Plus, Sasuke angry to Orochimaru because Orochimaru left him to met Sasori and didn't thought him new jutsu?

These are the proof that Orochimaru had aware about the Sharingan genjutsu, and Sasuke's archievement with that skill. So, as a master of shinobi, and a genius who had a lot of experience, how can he be so stupid to neglect the need of counter measure / security for himself?
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Of course he was aware of Sharingan Genjutsu, he even fell victim to an 11 year old Itachi's- what's your point?

Oro did'nt fall to the same trick twice; he managed to take Sasuke into his Mind Transfer Dimension, which is far further than he got with Itachi. Oro lost because he thought he was invincible in thta Dimension- he was'nt, and he lost.

He did'nt think a counter measure would be needed in another dimension where he was in total control of reality. Actually, the same could be said for Itachi and Tsuyukomi. How was he to know that Sasuke could take over an entire other-dimensional world?
 
Brainsucker said:
Yes, you can call me stupid or nerd / fool / noob. I just want to ask some questions that I don't understand :

1. If it was sharingan that Orochimaru needed, why does he bother to teach Sasuke with everything he got? Why not just kill him and collect his eyes? As Sharingan can be transplanted to another people and can be develop to the level of Mangekyou Sharingan (like Kakashi did)

2. If it was Sasuke body he need, why Orochimaru tought Sasuke a lot of thing and make him strong? Why not just keep him in the jail and wait until he needed a new body? Isn't it just give him more trouble as he know that Sasuke is some troublesome guy who hard to be controled?

3. If he is Sasuke's sensei, how can't he resist or counter Sasuke's genjutsu? because he must has already aware of it before their showdown in his lair

4. If Minato had times to split Kyuubi chakra into two kind of chakra (yin and yang) plus put the yang into his child, then he should have already defeat Kyuubi or at least has already able to make the fox cease to resist. So why did he needs to call Shiki Fuujin to seal the Yin and make himself dead? Why don't just put the ying into himself with some kind of Jinchuuriki creation technique?

5. if Mandara has already become so powerful and able to do everything he like, why did he need Sasuke? but throwing Itachi and kill the other?

that's it
Please, forgive me for my bad english, as english is not my mother language
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1. As seen with Kakashi, the sharingan easily drains majority of one person's energy, thus leaving them weakened. Uchiha bodies are much more efficient.

2. Again, as with number one, an efficient body is needed. It has to be maintained in top shape in order to be used effectively.

3. It's really hard to counter that one, as shown with even a genjutsu specialist such as Kurenai not having a counter for it.

4. Maybe he thought that Naruto could put it to good use lol, i dunno this one :p

5. Madara did become as powerful as you said, but he's not like that anymore. I dunno for what he needs Sasuke for, but his goal is to retain that power he got.
 
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